| Author | Message | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 154 Registered: 7-2009 |
A man was watching TV in Pittsburgh. He then thought to himself "Yeah, good for him but not us" Whats going on here? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2009 |
Is Pittsburg relevant? Is his gender relevant? Is the man he's commenting on on TV? I whether he knows the guy (on TV I assume) relevant? Who is us: the man and his family non-rich people Is it relevant to know details about "us"? Or is it only to show that there are two sides? Is the man on TV a politician? Did the man on TV cause something good to happen for himself? For a group that is similar to him? Are the man watching TV and the other man similar? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2009 |
Is magic involved? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 157 Registered: 7-2009 |
welcome to the forum!!! Is Pittsburg relevant? yes Is his gender relevant? the man watching TV? no Is the man he's commenting on on TV? yes Is whether he knows the guy (on TV I assume) relevant? irr. he doesn't know him personally Who is us: the man and his family non-rich people no to both Is it relevant to know details about "us"? yes Or is it only to show that there are two sides? Is the man on TV a politician? no Did the man on TV cause something good to happen for himself? yes For a group that is similar to him? yesish Are the man watching TV and the other man similar? irr. Is magic involved? no | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2009 |
Is the man jealous at the man on TV? Is the gender of the man on TV relevant? Was the man on TV in the same city? Did the "good thing" happen to: a place? an entire country? the man on TV? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 79 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the man on TV an athlete? Politician? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 158 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the man jealous at the man on TV? no Is the gender of the man on TV relevant? yesish Was the man on TV in the same city? yes, beware fa Did the "good thing" happen to: a place? yes an entire country? no the man on TV?yes Is the man on TV an athlete? yes Politician? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 83 Registered: 7-2009 |
Does the athlete play for a professional team based in pittsburg? From a professional team based in another city? Has he just been traded? Has he retired? Does the athlete play for a college team? A pittsburg college team? An opponent? Has he just announced that he's going professional? Does the athlete play for a high school team? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2009 |
I emailed you what I think happened. | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 167 Registered: 7-2009 |
Does the athlete play for a professional team based in pittsburg?yes From a professional team based in another city? Has he just been traded?yes, FA lurking Has he retired?no Does the athlete play for a college team? A pittsburg college team? An opponent? Has he just announced that he's going professional? no to all Does the athlete play for a high school team?no | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 168 Registered: 7-2009 |
I emailed you what I think happened.i replied | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 93 Registered: 7-2009 |
Traded to Pittsburg from another team? Traded from Pittsburg to another team? Penguins? Pirates? Steelers? Minor league? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 172 Registered: 7-2009 |
Traded to Pittsburg from another team? this Traded from Pittsburg to another team? Penguins? Pirates?this Steelers? Minor league? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 174 Registered: 7-2009 |
also, if you researched this you could probably find this true story. so please don't cheat! Theres no knowledge that you need to know about the sport that you couldn't figure out by asking questions | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 96 Registered: 7-2009 |
So the man who was watching TV didn't want the player to be transferred to the Pirates? Was the man a Pirates fan? A fan of another baseball team? Someone financially involved in the Pirates team? Someone who has bet on the outcome of the Pirates season? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 178 Registered: 7-2009 |
So the man who was watching TV didn't want the player to be transferred to the Pirates?incorrect Was the man a Pirates fan?yes A fan of another baseball team? Someone financially involved in the Pirates team? Someone who has bet on the outcome of the Pirates season?no to rest | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 98 Registered: 7-2009 |
The man did want the player to be transferred to the Pirates? So does that mean that the puzzle statement refers to something separate from the trade? Or some unfavorable aspect of the trade? E.g. his salary? The player he was being traded for? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 493 Registered: 11-2008 |
In the statement "good for him but not for us" - does "him" refer to the player? "Us" to the Pirates fans? Can we call the man watching TV Joe, and the Pirates player Jack? Assuming this, is Jack a good player? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 179 Registered: 7-2009 |
The man did want the player to be transferred to the Pirates?irr So does that mean that the puzzle statement refers to something separate from the trade?yesish Or some unfavorable aspect of the trade? E.g. his salary? The player he was being traded for?no to rest In the statement "good for him but not for us" - does "him" refer to the player? "Us" to the Pirates fans? correct Can we call the man watching TV Joe, and the Pirates player Jack? yes Assuming this, is Jack a good player?not very relevant | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 515 Registered: 11-2008 |
SO did Joe think that the fact Jack was with the Pirates would harm their results? Did the reason behind "good for him, bad for us" have something in common with the play at all? Jack's nationality/ethnicity relevant? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 117 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is something in Jack's personal life (outside of baseball) relevant? Something that happens on the playing field? Something baseball related that happens off the field? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 180 Registered: 7-2009 |
SO did Joe think that the fact Jack was with the Pirates would harm their results? no Did the reason behind "good for him, bad for us" have something in common with the play at all? what play? no, possible FA lurking Is something in Jack's personal life (outside of baseball) relevant?no Something that happens on the playing field?yes Something baseball related that happens off the field?noish Jack's nationality/ethnicity relevant?no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 126 Registered: 7-2009 |
Breaking a record relevant? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 181 Registered: 7-2009 |
Breaking a record relevant?no | ||
| Ferrets101 (Ferrets101)
New member Username: Ferrets101 Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2009 |
Jason Bay relevant? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 182 Registered: 7-2009 |
Jason Bay relevant?no | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 183 Registered: 7-2009 |
this is an unusual set of circumstances that doesn't occur too often in baseball. Figuring out exactly what player involved isn't crucial to solving this puzzle unless you know of the instance that i'm referring to, in which case i would ask you to not %poil. There are some fundamental things about the game of baseball itself you would probably need to know to figure out this puzzle. IMO it's a good puzzle and lateral thinking is needed to solve. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 146 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the position he plays relevant? If so, infield? Outfield? Pitcher? Catcher? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 184 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the position he plays relevant?yes If so, infield? Outfield? Pitcher?this Catcher? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 149 Registered: 7-2009 |
Pitching stats relevant? ERA? Strikeouts? No hitters? Perfect games? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 185 Registered: 7-2009 |
Pitching stats relevant? ERA? Strikeouts? No hitters? Perfect games?no to all | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 152 Registered: 7-2009 |
Batting average? Relief pitchers? Designated hitters? Inter-league games? All star games? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 186 Registered: 7-2009 |
Batting average? Relief pitchers? Designated hitters? Inter-league games? All star games?no with a small ish on relief pitchers | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 157 Registered: 7-2009 |
wins credited to the pitcher? losses? saves? types of pitches? if so, fastball? curveball? spitball? slider? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 188 Registered: 7-2009 |
wins credited to the pitcher?this losses? saves? types of pitches? if so, fastball? curveball? spitball? slider? no to all | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 158 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was a pitcher credited a win somehow but the team actually lost the game? Is he a starting pitcher? or relief pitcher? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 189 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was a pitcher credited a win somehowyes but the team actually lost the game?but not this Is he a starting pitcher?this or relief pitcher? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 169 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the win somehow not good for the Pirates as a team? | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 352 Registered: 6-2009 |
So whatever happened that's good for Jack, is it also good for the team? Certain members of the team? Is the good event simply that he was credited with the win? Some result of this credit? The circumstance that caused him to be credited? Something that happened in the same game? If it is good for the whole team, then is it not good for fans because it means that a game will be away instead of home? Something in the rules will change? They will be unable to watch an upcoming game? A game will be postponed? Less enjoyable to watch? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 190 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the win somehow not good for the Pirates as a team?correct | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 191 Registered: 7-2009 |
welcome back ohlala8!!!How was your vacation? where did you go? So whatever happened that's good for Jack, is it also good for the team?no possibly FA lurking Certain members of the team?no Is the good event simply that he was credited with the win?yes Some result of this credit? The circumstance that caused him to be credited?this is relevantSomething that happened in the same game?yesish FA lurking possibly If it is good for the whole team, then is it not good for fans because it means that a game will be away instead of home?no Something in the rules will change?no They will be unable to watch an upcoming game?no A game will be postponed?no but... Less enjoyable to watch?no | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 192 Registered: 7-2009 |
i'm thinking of providing a hint sometime in the near future unless someone insist i don't. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 176 Registered: 7-2009 |
A game won't happen because of the win? For example, they win a series in fewer than the maximum number of games, so they don't play the rest of the games? And so fans holding tickets to those games don't get to go? They have to play a different (and harder) team in playoffs than they would have if they had lost the game? Does his win occur while playing for the Pirates? Or while playing for the team he was traded from? Does the win occur before or after he was traded? | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 353 Registered: 6-2009 |
The vacation was excellent -- I went to China with my family. Turns out that my being a tall blonde teenage girl is kind of exciting for Chinese people :-) Is the credit good for Jack because it helps his stats? Increases his trading value? Is it actually good for him? Or does Joe just think it is? Does the team actually win? Or is he just credited with the win? Is he playing for the Pirates when he receives the credit? Are they playing against the team he was traded from? Is this his first game with the Pirates? Has the trade somehow not been registered yet? So the other team wins but Jack somehow still gets the credit? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 193 Registered: 7-2009 |
A game won't happen because of the win? For example, they win a series in fewer than the maximum number of games, so they don't play the rest of the games? And so fans holding tickets to those games don't get to go?no to all They have to play a different (and harder) team in playoffs than they would have if they had lost the game?no Does his win occur while playing for the Pirates?yes beware FA Or while playing for the team he was traded from?no with a small ish Does the win occur before or after he was traded?after, pretty close to wrapping this one up | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 194 Registered: 7-2009 |
The vacation was excellent -- I went to China with my family. Turns out that my being a tall blonde teenage girl is kind of exciting for Chinese people :-) awesome, sounds like you had fun! welcome back! Is the credit good for Jack because it helps his stats?yes, the credit is a win Increases his trading value?no Is it actually good for him?good for his stats Or does Joe just think it is? Does the team actually win?what team? Or is he just credited with the win?yes Is he playing for the Pirates when he receives the credit?yes Are they playing against the team he was traded from? Is this his first game with the Pirates? Has the trade somehow not been registered yet?no to these So the other team wins but Jack somehow still gets the credit?thats a hard one to answer, Jack does get the win, define "other team" I think theres a FA lurking. you guys are getting really close but there is one or two major things to still figure out | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 181 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did he get traded from one major league team to another? Or did he get brought up from a minor league? Or did he recently join the Pirates after playing for a college team? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 195 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did he get traded from one major league team to another?this Or did he get brought up from a minor league? Or did he recently join the Pirates after playing for a college team? | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 355 Registered: 6-2009 |
Okay, I guess maybe I should clarify my questions. When Joe says "good for him but not for us," he's responding to a news story about how Jack was credited with a win in a certain game, correct? And in that game, Jack was pitching for the Pirates? And the Pirates won? Was this a regular season game? Playoffs? World series? Grudge match? Scrimmage? Assuming it's not a scrimmage, let's say that the Pirates are playing the Cardinals. Any reason why this wouldn't have worked if the Pirates had been playing the Cardinals? Now, did the Cardinals score more runs than the Pirates? Did the Pirates score more runs than the Cardinals? Did the game finish in 9 of innings? More? Less (because of a storm, etc.)? As a result of this game, are the Pirates closer to winning the pennant? Are the Cardinals? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 199 Registered: 7-2009 |
Okay, I guess maybe I should clarify my questions. When Joe says "good for him but not for us," he's responding to a news story about how Jack was credited with a win in a certain game, correct?correct And in that game, Jack was pitching for the Pirates?NO! And the Pirates won?irr Was this a regular season game? thisPlayoffs? World series? Grudge match? Scrimmage? Assuming it's not a scrimmage, let's say that the Pirates are playing the Cardinals. Any reason why this wouldn't have worked if the Pirates had been playing the Cardinals? Now, did the Cardinals score more runs than the Pirates? Did the Pirates score more runs than the Cardinals?irr. to all Did the game finish in 9 of innings? More?this Less (because of a stormexactly this, etc.)? As a result of this game, are the Pirates closer to winning the pennant? Are the Cardinals?no the these, but you are OTRT for the most part and very close to solving this one | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 212 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the game played part way, but delayed due to a storm? And the second half of the game happened a long time after the first half? Weeks later? Months later? Was Jack the starting pitcher for the first half? But in between the two halves, he was traded to the Pirates? And the team he was playing for ended up winning? So Jack got credited with the win even though he didn't play for that team anymore? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 200 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the game played part way, but delayed due to a storm?yes And the second half of the game happened a long time after the first half?yes Weeks later?this Months later? Was Jack the starting pitcher for the first half? But in between the two halves, he was traded to the Pirates? And the team he was playing for ended up winning? So Jack got credited with the win even though he didn't play for that team anymore?you got it!!! **************SPOILER******************* The pitchers name is Joel Hanrahan. He was playing a game (for the Washington Nationals) on May 5th and it got postponed until June 30th due to rain. Before the game resumed he was traded to the pirates. The nationals ended up winning the game giving him the win. It's actually a pretty interesting story. You can read it in full at: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4318608 Thanks everyone, especially Noel and Ohlala8, for joining in on my first puzzle!!! What did you think of it? Hope to have another one soon! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 223 Registered: 7-2009 |
I thought it was very challenging. Thanks! |
