| Author | Message | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 51 Registered: 8-2009 |
Rachel fell off the roof of a 4 floor building (she was kicked), but she landed on something and she survived. What did she land on? I think this is a hard puzzle. | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 52 Registered: 8-2009 |
Oops forgot to mention [Natanz] in the title... there is no way to edit, is there? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3980 Registered: 12-2000 |
Rachel H A F? Did she land on something soft? Did she land in water? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 267 Registered: 8-2009 |
Did she land on a person? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1310 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did she land on her feet? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3984 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did she fall four floors worth? Or was the building on a hill and the side she fell off was only a few feet above the ground? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3985 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was the majority of the building underground and only the roof visible above ground? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2037 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the fact that she survived determined by the height from which she fell? or what she landed on? i like Lynne's theory | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2038 Registered: 1-2007 |
Oh wait a moment.... Is Rachel a cat? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 482 Registered: 10-2008 |
The fourth/third floor patio? A window washer's platform? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 57 Registered: 8-2009 |
Rachel H A F? yes irrelevant yes Did she land on something soft? no Did she land in water? no Did she land on a person? no Did she land on her feet? no Did she fall four floors worth? yes Or was the building on a hill and the side she fell off was only a few feet above the ground? no Was the majority of the building underground and only the roof visible above ground? no Was the fact that she survived determined by the height from which she fell? no or what she landed on? no Oh wait a moment.... Is Rachel a cat? no The fourth/third floor patio? no A window washer's platform? no One of those questions was very valuable... keep trying! | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 297 Registered: 8-2009 |
Does this take place on Earth? Under normal earth gravity conditions? Is this a realistic situation? A real situation? Is wind/air relevant? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 58 Registered: 8-2009 |
Does this take place on Earth? yes Under normal earth gravity conditions? yes Is this a realistic situation? yes-ish A real situation? yope Is wind/air relevant? no | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3995 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did anything buffer her on her way down? Did she have a parachute? (They could have given her a kick start) Was the kick in anger? Play? Was it intended to cause her death? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 59 Registered: 8-2009 |
Did anything buffer her on her way down? no Did she have a parachute? (They could have given her a kick start) no Was the kick in anger? Play? Was it intended to cause her death? all irrelevant | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3996 Registered: 12-2000 |
Should she have been killed? Did she defy the odds in what happened here? Or was there no chance of her being killed? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 304 Registered: 8-2009 |
I believe you said the fact that she survived was not determined by what she landed on (while responding to Peter365) - therefore, wouldn't it not matter what she landed on? Did she land on something solid? soft? Did she land on soil? On Grass? on plants of some kind? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2009 |
Should she have been killed? yes-ish Did she defy the odds in what happened here? no Or was there no chance of her being killed? no-ish I believe you said the fact that she survived was not determined by what she landed on (while responding to Peter365) - therefore, wouldn't it not matter what she landed on? true, but when you find out what she landed on you'll figure out why I want you to see if you can find out what she landed on Did she land on something solid? yes soft? no Did she land on soil? no On Grass? no on plants of some kind? no | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3997 Registered: 12-2000 |
If any of us ordinary folk were kicked off the roof would our chances of survival be the same? Or did she have something special in her favour? Is the location of the building important? Did she fall onto a pavement below? Did she travel down one of those huge rubbish chutes? Did she hit anything else on the way down from the roof? She didn't land on her feet - so did she land on her knees, back, butt, head? Did she experience any pain when she landed? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 779 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was hers a free fall? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2042 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was she wearing any special clothing? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 310 Registered: 8-2009 |
Wait, is she a movie stuntwoman? Did she land on an air mattress? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3998 Registered: 12-2000 |
When I asked about her being H A F only the middle one was irrelevant (being adult). So: A young child or baby could also survive in the same circumstances? It is relevant that she is female? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 61 Registered: 8-2009 |
If any of us ordinary folk were kicked off the roof would our chances of survival be the same? yes Or did she have something special in her favour? no Is the location of the building important? no Did she fall onto a pavement below? yes Did she travel down one of those huge rubbish chutes? no Did she hit anything else on the way down from the roof? no She didn't land on her feet - so did she land on her knees, back, butt, head? actually, this is irrelevant - the point is that the fall would normally kill any human Did she experience any pain when she landed? yes Was hers a free fall? yes, until she landed Was she wearing any special clothing? no Wait, is she a movie stuntwoman? no Did she land on an air mattress? no Lynne guessed it correctly! She landed on the pavement! I thought this wouldn't happen, because you would normally not think she landed on the pavement since she survived. So the obvious question to answer now: Why did she survive? (My idea was that you should normally have to figure this out first before you can find out what she landed on - so Lynne has technically 'won'). | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 485 Registered: 10-2008 |
Was she badly injured? Did she do anything while falling to minimize injury? Like slowing herself down? Did she do anything upon landing to minimize injury? Like rolling? Is it relevant that she was kicked? Is it relevan whether she fell from the roof, a window, etc.? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 312 Registered: 8-2009 |
Was she drunk? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4000 Registered: 12-2000 |
There are a few more questions that I've asked that were probably cross posting as you posted your answers. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4001 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was it a full sized building? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 313 Registered: 8-2009 |
Nice going, Lynne... So she actually fell four stories (approx, say, 40-ish feet) onto pavement, with no special equipment, and somehow survived? Nothing broke her fall in any way? If I'm wrong about her being drunk (the only thing I can think of is that her body was somehow relaxed, to minimize damage)... was she asleep? Unconscious? On some kind of medication? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 64 Registered: 8-2009 |
Was she badly injured? no Did she do anything while falling to minimize injury? no Like slowing herself down? no Did she do anything upon landing to minimize injury? no Like rolling? no Is it relevant that she was kicked? no Is it relevant whether she fell from the roof, a window, etc.? no Was she drunk? no (how would this save her?) Was it a full sized building? yes, 4 stories is usually about 12 meters So she actually fell four stories (approx, say, 40-ish feet) onto pavement, with no special equipment, and somehow survived? yes Nothing broke her fall in any way? no If I'm wrong about her being drunk (the only thing I can think of is that her body was somehow relaxed, to minimize damage)... was she asleep? yes Unconscious? if sleep is the same as unconscious, then yes On some kind of medication? no When I asked about her being H A F only the middle one was irrelevant (being adult). So: A young child or baby could also survive in the same circumstances? yes It is relevant that she is female? no Almost there... | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 314 Registered: 8-2009 |
Being drunk might help because her body is loosened up - supposedly this can minimize damage (when you tense up is when you get really messed up...) Is she dreaming? | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 203 Registered: 7-2009 |
is it relevant what kicked her off? was she actually physically kicked off? was someone trying to harm her? save her? was there a fire? is water relevant? was she kicked from the roof and then fell straight to the pavement with out touching anything or anything breaking her fall? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 65 Registered: 8-2009 |
is it relevant what kicked her off? no was she actually physically kicked off? yes was someone trying to harm her? yes save her? no was there a fire? no, that was my other puzzle is water relevant? no) was she kicked from the roof and then fell straight to the pavement with out touching anything or anything breaking her fall? yes Is she dreaming? yes! ******* SPOILER ********* Rachel dreams someone kicks her off a 4 story building. That's how she can survive! | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 320 Registered: 8-2009 |
I don't know, Natanz... I'm always a little let down when a movie uses "it was all a dream" as its ending/explanation, it seems like a cop-out. And maybe it's just me, but I feel the same way about lateral puzzles. I don't mean to denigrate your puzzle, but it has to be said - it could be argued that some of your answers were misleading or deceptive, if not outright lies. Like "was she actually physically kicked off?" - you said "yes". But the answer is no, she wasn't; she didn't really fall four stories and land on pavement. I don't mean to complain, I appreciate the effort you put into the puzzle. It's just that, for me, it's not a very satisfying answer... | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 66 Registered: 8-2009 |
Yes I definitely understand that you could see it as a lie, although in her dream it was physical. For me, I thought the difficulty in this puzzle would be that nobody would think she would just fall to the ground since she survived, and you first had to figure out about the dream before you could guess she just landed on the ground. But yes, I'll try to answer more carefully next time. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2055 Registered: 1-2007 |
Don't know about the rest of you but if I dream I'm falling I usually wake up with a start long before I hit the ground . I too am not a big fan of the 'it was all a dream' ending but to each his own. Anyone old enough to remember how they brought Bobby Ewing back from the dead in Dallas . Now there was a "it was all a dream" plot that really sucked. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 488 Registered: 10-2008 |
I like it, Natanz. I think the amount of time it took for us to guess that answer shows that the "dream ending" is not quite so cliched as to be taken for granted. =) Maybe that should be part of our standard opening line of questioning: H? A? M? Is it all a dream? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 315 Registered: 7-2009 |
I think the "it was a dream" ending was appropriate here. Falling dreams are extremely common; therefore, "she was dreaming" was a reasonable answer to this puzzle. |
