| Author | Message | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 952 Registered: 11-2008 |
"Well, you believe me now, don't you?" "Of course I do. How could I NOT believe you, after all that? And I do apologize. You have been very generous indeed." What happened? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2105 Registered: 1-2007 |
Hmm this looks interesting. Are there only 2 people involved? are they both H? A? . I get the feeling one of them is you is that correct? Did the person that says "Well you beleive...." perform an action to prove something which teh second person had disbelieved? Did the second person disbelieve something that the first person had claimed about themselves e.g. I swear I've never seen that woman before! Or did they state a fact that the second person disbelieved e.g. some piece of trivia or such like? Any relevant occupations? hobbies? Location relevant? era? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 483 Registered: 9-2008 |
Title relevant? Is the second person apologizing for not believing the first person initially? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 973 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hmm this looks interesting. Thanks. I'll do my best not to disappoint you :-)) Are there only 2 people involved? Yes are they both H? A? Yes, and M too.. I get the feeling one of them is you is that correct? Unfortunately, it isn't. Did the person that says "Well you beleive...." perform an action to prove something which teh second person had disbelieved? Yes Did the second person disbelieve something that the first person had claimed about themselves Yes e.g. I swear I've never seen that woman before! but not along this line Or did they state a fact that the second person disbelieved e.g. some piece of trivia or such like? No Any relevant occupations? Yes hobbies? Location relevant? Yes era? Yes Title relevant? Very much so :-)) Is the second person apologizing for not believing the first person initially? Yes | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1390 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would it give too much away too quickly to ask for the LTPF lists of occupations, centuries and countries? Is the location urban or rural? Relevant? Have they just been through some sort of ordeal? Has person 2 witnessed person 1 do? Say? Prove? something he previously doubted possible? Is their relationship relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 982 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would it give too much away too quickly to ask for the LTPF lists of occupations, centuries and countries? Let's see. 16th century, England. It is up to you to find out what their occupations were. Is the location urban Thisor rural? Relevant? Somehow Have they just been through some sort of ordeal? No Has person 2 witnessed person 1 do? This Say? Prove? And this something he previously doubted possible? Yes Is their relationship relevant? Yes | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1394 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are they relatives? Friends? Coworkers? Acquaintances? Did 2 doubt 1 was WHO he claimed to be? Is either person famous? Both? Other people relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 987 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are they relatives? Friends? Coworkers? Yope Acquaintances? No to the rest Did 2 doubt 1 was WHO he claimed to be? No Is either person famous? Both? Not very much Other people relevant? Not really | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1406 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are they alone? Is their general location relevant? If so, is it urban, rural, or in between? Are they speaking to each other, or corresponding by letter? Are they part of a hierarchy? If so, which is on top, or are they on the same level? Relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 990 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are they alone?No, there are other people too but they are not relevant to our puzzle Is their general location relevant? Somehow If so, is it urban This, rural, or in between? Are they speaking to each other, or corresponding by letter? Speaking Are they part of a hierarchy? Do you mean an organization? If so, the answer is No If so, which is on top, or are they on the same level? Their positions are fairly similar, as to the level Relevant? Yesish | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1415 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Person 1 physically do something (ie something that required him to move, lift something, etc.) or do something that requires no physical work (write something, speak to someone else, etc.)? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 993 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did Person 1 physically do something (ie something that required him to move, lift something, etc.) This or do something that requires no physical work (write something, speak to someone else, etc.)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1419 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could Person 2 be considered to have insulted Person 1? Did Person 1 give Person 2 something? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 997 Registered: 11-2008 |
Could Person 2 be considered to have insulted Person 1? Yes Did Person 1 give Person 2 something? Yes | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1421 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anything valuable involved? Did Person 1 move a long distance? Lift/carry a large weight? Was Person 2's belief that Person 1 could not physically do something? Do both Persons 1 and 2 have the same profession? Are they rivals? Is Person 1 famous? Person 2? Are they on television? Or otherwise before an audience? Are sports involved? Athletics? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 999 Registered: 11-2008 |
Anything valuable involved? No Did Person 1 move a long distance? No Lift/carry a large weight? No Was Person 2's belief that Person 1 could not physically do something? Yes Do both Persons 1 and 2 have the same profession? Yes Are they rivals? Sort of Is Person 1 famous? Person 2? No, at least not from our point of view Are they on television? Um... no, given the period when it takes place Or otherwise before an audience? Very likely but irrelevant Are sports involved? Yesish Athletics? but not this | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1424 Registered: 5-2003 |
Oh yeah, 16th century. :p Um, are they bear-baiters? Soldiers? Knights? Aha... is one of them royal? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1000 Registered: 11-2008 |
Oh yeah, 16th century. :p Um, are they bear-baiters? Soldiers? Knights? No Aha... is one of them royal? No | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1426 Registered: 5-2003 |
Darn, I had a hunch it might have something to do with The Prince and the Pauper. I was thinking about rereading it yesterday... but you said no one famous was involved. Is this a true story? FYOI? Is a game involved? Something involving points? Anything dangerous? Boasting involved? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1001 Registered: 11-2008 |
Darn, I had a hunch it might have something to do with The Prince and the Pauper. I was thinking about rereading it yesterday...No, at least not AFAIK (I have a notion about The Prince and the Pauper, but I have never read the whole story) but you said no one famous was involved. Is this a true story? Yes FYOI? No | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 451 Registered: 7-2009 |
Hmm, sports but not athletics...is hunting relevant? Fishing? A battle of wits? A board game? A card game? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1009 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hmm, sports but not athletics It was yesish for the sports :-))...is hunting relevant? Fishing? A battle of wits? A board game? A card game? Neither of the above | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2110 Registered: 1-2007 |
Something like Jousting? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1028 Registered: 11-2008 |
Something like Jousting? No but well OTRT | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1444 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the sport violent? Dangerous? Do Person 1 and 2 both play it? Against each other? Was either of them boasting? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2112 Registered: 1-2007 |
Duelling ? Swordfighting? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1031 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the sport violent? Yes Dangerous? Yes Do Person 1 and 2 both play it Yes? Against each other? Yes Was either of them boasting? Yes Duelling ? Yesish Swordfighting? This is even closer | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 474 Registered: 7-2009 |
Fencing? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1034 Registered: 11-2008 |
Fencing? Yes | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 479 Registered: 7-2009 |
Any fencer will tell you that fencing is very much a demanding, athletic sport, for what it's worth. They're quite defensive about it. I'm not a fencer, but I've known several Is this something along the lines of one person didn't believe a particular was possible in fencing, and the other person proved them wrong? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1039 Registered: 11-2008 |
Any fencer will tell you that fencing is very much a demanding, athletic sport, for what it's worth. They're quite defensive about it. I'm not a fencer, but I've known several. You're right. However, there is a HUGE difference between modern sports fencing (which is basically what you say, and which I would definitely qualify as a sport), stage fencing (which is merely a performance, though quite a demanding one) and fencing back there in the 16th century. It was not JUST a sport back then but a martial art which could effectively save your life. Is this something along the lines of one person didn't believe a particular was possible in fencing, and the other person proved them wrong? Very much so. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1446 Registered: 5-2003 |
Had the two of them been fencing? Did person 1 use an unusual technique? Had person 1 been generous during the match in some way? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1046 Registered: 11-2008 |
Had the two of them been fencing? Yes Did person 1 use an unusual technique? Difficult to answer. Let it be Yesish. Had person 1 been generous during the match in some way? Yes | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 497 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did person 1 use their non-dominant hand? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1466 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did person 2 drop his sword, and person 1 allowed him to pick it up? Was person 1 in disguise at any point? Did person 2 doubt a claim of person 1. (such as, "I am the finest swordsman in France!") Are they fencers by trade? Musketeers, for example? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1060 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did person 1 use their non-dominant hand? \No Did person 2 drop his sword, and person 1 allowed him to pick it up? \No Was person 1 in disguise at any point? \No Did person 2 doubt a claim of person 1. (such as, "I am the finest swordsman in France!") \Not exactly this, but very much OTRT Are they fencers by trade? \Yes Musketeers, for example? \but not this | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1526 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was person 1 chivalrous in some way? Or generous in the sense of giving person 2 something valuable? Has person 2 learned a lesson? Have they been fencing against each other, or against a third party? Was person 2 apologizing for an insult? An injury? Something else? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1130 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was person 1 chivalrous in some way? Yes Or generous in the sense of giving person 2 something valuable? If you mean something tangible, then the answer is No Has person 2 learned a lesson? Definitely Have they been fencing against each other This, or against a third party? No Was person 2 apologizing for an insult? Yes An injury? No Something else? No | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1541 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are the other people present an audience? Are they judging the match? Is this match in public? Who won the match, person 1 or 2? Relevant? Is the lesson person 2 learned moral, or is it about techniques of fencing? Had Person 1 been pulling his punches at some point during the match? Person 2? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1142 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are the other people present an audience? Probably but not so much relevant Are they judging the match? No Is this match in public? Probably but not so much relevant Who won the match, person 1 or 2? Person 1 Relevant? Very much so Is the lesson person 2 learned moral, or is it about techniques of fencing? Both Had Person 1 been pulling his punches at some point during the match? Definitely Person 2? Definitely not Very good questions! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 625 Registered: 7-2009 |
What does "pulling his punches" mean? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1144 Registered: 11-2008 |
As far as I understand it, not to use all the force/skill he is able to | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 627 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is a boastful statement relevant? I could beat you with one hand tied behind my back? I could beat you blindfolded? Something similar? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1145 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is a boastful statement relevant? Yes I could beat you with one hand tied behind my back? I could beat you blindfolded? Something similar? Not exactly any of those you quoted, but very similar and very relevant. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 628 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is a specific body part relevant? If so, eye? finger? hand? arm? leg? foot? other? Shoes on the wrong feet? Legs tied together? Hopping on one leg? Was it a normal fencing sword? If no, was it shorter? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1146 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is a specific body part relevant? Not really If so, eye? finger? hand? arm? leg? foot? other? I think it will be closest to say that the boasting had to do with all the body parts in general. As it was a real situation and had been recorded, I can say that an eye was mentioned specifically but this could be very much misleading. Shoes on the wrong feet? Legs tied together? Hopping on one leg? No, and OTWT. The fact that he did not do everything he was able to do did not consist in voluntarily disabling himself Was it a normal fencing sword? It was probably a rapier, not a sword, but both weapons were perfectly common ones, there was nothing special about them If no, was it shorter? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 629 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was he drunk? Did he go several days without sleep before the match? Something similar? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1148 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was he drunk? Did he go several days without sleep before the match? Something similar? No, nothing like this. He did not do anything which might weaken him or make him less able to fight | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1544 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the title relevant? Was this a to-the-touch match? Were they trying to injure each other? Was it a demonstration, with blunted swords? Relevant? The moral lesson person 2 learned: Is it not to underestimate your opponent? Not to insult someone who is a better fencer than you? Before the fight, were the two arguing? Shouting? Angry? Drinking? Did someone else get them to fight each other? The fencing lesson person 2 learned - How to attack? Defend? Psych out your opponent? Confuse him? Is the specific location (in a bar, a school, a street, a theater) relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the generosity consist of sparing the other person's life when he had been beaten? Was the loser disarmed in the fight? Relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1152 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the title relevant? Very much so, and in quite a lateral way :-)). Was this a to-the-touch match? What exactly do you mean? Were they trying to injure each other? Yope Was it a demonstration Sort of, with blunted swords No? Relevant? Yes The moral lesson person 2 learned: Is it not to underestimate your opponent? Yes Not to insult someone who is a better fencer than you? Yes Before the fight, were the two arguing? Yesish to yope Shouting? No Angry? Possibly Drinking? I do not know Did someone else get them to fight each other? No The fencing lesson person 2 learned - How to attack? This Defend? And also this Psych out your opponent? Confuse him? The two latter ones only in relation to the two former ones Is the specific location (in a bar, a school, a street, a theater) relevant? It was on the street, and it was somehow relevant Did the generosity consist of sparing the other person's life Yes when he had been beaten? Yesish; there is another important aspect to this Was the loser disarmed in the fight? No Relevant? Yes | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1547 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would the words "heated discussion" be better than argument? Were they arguing over a point of fencing? A point of honor? By "touch," I meant to ask if the intent of the fight was that the winner was the first to touch the other with his rapier. Or did one opponent have to surrender, or be too injured to continue? Relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1165 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would the words "heated discussion" be better than argument? It would be closer, yes Were they arguing over a point of fencing? This A point of honor? No By "touch," I meant to ask if the intent of the fight was that the winner was the first to touch the other with his rapier. No Or did one opponent have to surrender No, or be too injured to continue? No Relevant? It is relevant what happened during the fight and how it ended, yes | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1549 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they meet on the street? Had they ever met before? Should person 2 have recognized person 1? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1170 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they meet on the street? Yes Had they ever met before? No Should person 2 have recognized person 1? Noish - i.e. the problem did not stem from the fact 2 did not recognize 1; however, if he knew him sufficiently well, there would probably be no conflict at all | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1553 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was 2's argument that a certain move in fencing was impossible? Or that he could easily defend against it? Do we have to know much about fencing to figure this out? If it were not fencing, but fisticuffs, would the situation still hold true? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1181 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was 2's argument that a certain move in fencing was impossible? Noish but OTRT Or that he could easily defend against it? Not exactly Do we have to know much about fencing to figure this out? Not really If it were not fencing, but fisticuffs, would the situation still hold true? If you mean something like boxing, than it would not be feasible in the same way | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 311 Registered: 3-2004 |
Was one person not using his best hand? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1182 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was one person not using his best hand? Good thinking, but no. As we have already established, neither of the adversaries was disabled in any manner, voluntarily or not | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1555 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was feinting involved? Did person 1 do something completely unexpected? Something that would not normally be done in a fencing match? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 698 Registered: 7-2009 |
I have to tell you, the title of this puzzle appeared in my dream last night! It was painted on a wall. I had no idea what it meant in the dream, either. I just looked at it, thought, "hmm, that's strange, I wonder what it means," and walked off and went back to the rest of my dream. I woke up highly amused. =) Did either of them cheat? Win by catching the opponent off guard? By confusing the opponent? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1186 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was feinting involved? Possibly Did person 1 do something completely unexpected? He certainly did something 2 did not expect Something that would not normally be done in a fencing match? The exact moves are not as relevant as the final result I have to tell you, the title of this puzzle appeared in my dream last night! It was painted on a wall. I had no idea what it meant in the dream, either. I just looked at it, thought, "hmm, that's strange, I wonder what it means," and walked off and went back to the rest of my dream. I woke up highly amused. =) I am highly flattered. I hope the final picture does not disappoint you :-)) Did either of them cheat? No Win by catching the opponent off guard? By confusing the opponent? You cannot hit the opponent without catching him off-guard or confusing him; let us say 1 hit 2 in a very peculiar manner | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 316 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did 1 still hold his sabre when he hit 2? Did 2 hold his? Was anything more than the two persons and the two sabres involved in this "drama"? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1187 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did 1 still hold his sabre when he hit 2? Did 2 hold his? Yes to both if you replace "sabre" by "rapier" :-)) Was anything more than the two persons and the two sabres involved in this "drama"? Yes indeed | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 321 Registered: 3-2004 |
Sorry, must have dreamt of sabres tonight... Did anything grow by the street? Hazelnuts? Brambles? Did 1 use anything growing by the street in the fight? Did 1 use anything but the rapier to fight with? Is it important what 2 boasted? Was 1's "lesson" to 2 including a play-with-words? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1188 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did anything grow by the street? No, but... Hazelnuts? These were used, yes Brambles? No Did 1 use anything growing by the street in the fight? He did use hazelnuts; he had to buy them but it is not relevant how he got them Did 1 use anything but the rapier to fight with? He fought just with the rapier; he used the hazelnuts but did not fight "with" them Is it important what 2 boasted? FA Was 1's "lesson" to 2 including a play-with-words? Not really | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1557 Registered: 5-2003 |
So the title is relevant? Did person 1 scoop up hazelnuts and throw them in his opponent's face? Cause his opponent to fall on them? Use them as a distraction? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1189 Registered: 11-2008 |
So the title is relevant? very much so Did person 1 scoop up hazelnuts and throw them in his opponent's face? Cause his opponent to fall on them? Use them as a distraction? Neither | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 323 Registered: 3-2004 |
Would other nuts have done just as well? Small pebbles? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1192 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would other nuts have done just as well? Small pebbles? Hmm.. chestnuts would possibly have worked under certain conditions, but the effect would not have been as strong as it was with hazelnuts; you would have to prepare the small pebbles in a certain way for them to work as well. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1559 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the hazelnuts affect person 1? 2? Was 2 aware of the hazelnuts before the fight? Did the boasting involve hazelnuts in some way ("give me a few hazelnuts and I can beat you easily?")? Do the smell or taste of the hazelnuts have any relevance? Their shape? Their color? How many of them were there - 2, 3, 4, more? relevant? Is the shell relevant? Were hazelnuts eaten at some point -- by person 1 or 2? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1193 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the hazelnuts affect person 1? 2? What exactly do you mean by affecting? They did not change anything in them, if you mean this Was 2 aware of the hazelnuts before the fight? Yes Did the boasting involve hazelnuts in some way ("give me a few hazelnuts and I can beat you easily?")? No, but... Do the smell or taste of the hazelnuts have any relevance? Not at all Their shape? Yesish Their color? No How many of them were there - 2, 3, 4, more? 24 clusters relevant? very much so Is the shell relevant? not as such Were hazelnuts eaten at some point -- by person 1 or 2? By neither | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 325 Registered: 3-2004 |
Is it important that the nuts were sitting in clusters? Did person 1 do something to a cluster with his rapier? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1199 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is it important that the nuts were sitting in clusters? Very much so Did person 1 do something to a cluster with his rapier? Yes indeed | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 328 Registered: 3-2004 |
Were the clusters thrown up in the air? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1203 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were the clusters thrown up in the air? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1209 Registered: 11-2008 |
BLOOOOPER! The answer to the last question - Were the clusters thrown up in the air? should rather have been Yesish. Sorry for that. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 722 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was someone weighed down by hazelnuts? Were the nuts attached to the people in someway? Were they balanced on top of someone's head? Were they on the ground? WEre they in a tree? Were they attached to a rapier? What do you mean by clusters...were they organized into piles? attached to one another in some way? something else? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1214 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was someone weighed down by hazelnuts? No Were the nuts attached to the people in someway?Yes Were they balanced on top of someone's head? No Were they on the ground? Eventually, yes WEre they in a tree? No Were they attached to a rapier? No What do you mean by clusters...were they organized into piles? attached to one another in some way? something else? I mean the groups of 3-4 hazelnuts which usually grow attached to each other on the hazel tree | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1564 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the hazelnuts worn? To whom were they attached -- person 1 or 2? Were they real, edible hazelnuts, or representations of some sort? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1222 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were the hazelnuts worn? If you mean, attached to the persons, then Yes To whom were they attached -- person 1 or 2? To both Were they real, edible hazelnuts, or representations of some sort? They were real hazelnuts, but if they were artificial it would have worked as well | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 342 Registered: 3-2004 |
Is the expression "cut your nuts off" relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1565 Registered: 5-2003 |
Worn on the clothing or attached to the person (ie, attached to their shirts or worn around the neck or wrist, etc)? Did they represent something? Did a rapier strike the hazelnuts? Were they a target of some sort ("First man to break through his opponent's guard and remove their hazelnuts wins")? Is a sort of stunt or trick involved? Could it be done by a normal fencer, or only by a superb expert? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1224 Registered: 11-2008 |
Worn on the clothing or attached to the person (ie, attached to their shirts or worn around the neck or wrist, etc)? On the clothing Did they represent something? Sort of Did a rapier strike the hazelnuts? YesWere they a target of some sort Yes ("First man to break through his opponent's guard and remove their hazelnuts wins")? Exactly so Is a sort of stunt or trick involved? Yope Could it be done by a normal fencer, or only by a superb expert? Just by an expert | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 745 Registered: 7-2009 |
You said there were 24 clusters. Could there have been fewer? More? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1226 Registered: 11-2008 |
You said there were 24 clusters. Could there have been fewer? More? Either | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 747 Registered: 7-2009 |
I think you missed TommyP's question. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1227 Registered: 11-2008 |
I think you missed TommyP's question. Yep, you are right. Is the expression "cut your nuts off" relevant? LOL, no, but I appreciate the great lateral leap :-)) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 753 Registered: 7-2009 |
Were the nuts hung in hard to reach locations? PS...I swear this is not "pick on Alhucema" day, but did you know you had a puzzle hanging out in Limbo? I was surprised to see it since you are so active on here. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1228 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were the nuts hung in hard to reach locations? Not really PS...I swear this is not "pick on Alhucema" day, but did you know you had a puzzle hanging out in Limbo? I was surprised to see it since you are so active on here. Yes, I do know. The problem is that I have to declare a blooper in this puzzle, and I feel that I should make a summary, and this would require a greater effort than to create a new puzzle. But eventually, I will take it out of the limbo as I think it's not a bad one, and it certainly has a nice lateral twist. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 754 Registered: 7-2009 |
Ah, I understand that. Some parts of hosting a puzzle are so much harder than they look! I just wondered if you had forgotten about it. No worries. Is skill required because the goal was to remove the nuts without stabbing the person? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1229 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is skill required because the goal was to remove the nuts without stabbing the person? The final purpose is correct, but the skill required more than that. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 767 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was their more skill required because of the location of the nuts? The way they were attached? The way they had to be removed? | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2009 |
Did the claim involve the number of swings (i.e., "thrusts" or some other more appropriate word) of the rapier needed to remove all the nuts? 1? 2? 3? more? Did the claim involve somehow opening (de-shelling) the nuts? While still on the opponent? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1237 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was their more skill required because of the location of the nuts? Sort of, but don't want to mislead you The way they were attached? The way they had to be removed? same as above There is no need to think about something complicated. Imagine yourself standing with a rapier in your hand against a skilled adversary. What would you probably find difficult (and be probably much easier for him)? Did the claim involve the number of swings (i.e., "thrusts" or some other more appropriate word) of the rapier needed to remove all the nuts? 1? 2? 3? more? not exactly but very much OTRT Did the claim involve somehow opening (de-shelling) the nuts? While still on the opponent? No, that would be impossible even for the best of the experts :-)) | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2009 |
I'm curious about "You have been very generous indeed." Is figuring out this statement's meaning worthy of pursuit? Did both men have an equal number of nut clusters attached to them? Was Person 1 was "handicapped" with fewer clusters? If so, did he have fewer than 20? 10? 5? only 1? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 769 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the claim that the winner would be able to cut off all of the opponent's nut clusters without having any of his own clusters cut off? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1238 Registered: 11-2008 |
I'm curious about "You have been very generous indeed." Is figuring out this statement's meaning worthy of pursuit? Yes indeed Did both men have an equal number of nut clusters attached to them? Yes Was Person 1 was "handicapped" with fewer clusters? If so, did he have fewer than 20? 10? 5? only 1? and so, no to the rest Is the claim that the winner would be able to cut off all of the opponent's nut clusters without having any of his own clusters cut off? Exactly so! Now the only thing to establish is WHY was No 1 generous and summarize what happened. Please feel free to do so and be patient as I am not sure I will be able to post the spoyler immediately. | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2009 |
Is the generosity due to the fact that Person 1 (agreed? suggested? insisted?) that the two men fence with nut clusters as opposed to...flesh? And person 2 now realizes that he would have surely been killed if this was an actual duel? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1569 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the clusters hung around the neck, or otherwise attached to the chest somehow? Were they on the back (a place I would imagine is nearly impossibly to reach in a swordfight? Could Person 1 easily have killed Person 2? Did he have reason to? Were they both familiar with each other's skill levels? Given the oddity of the duel's target, can we assume it was a friendly albeit heated discussion beforehand? (ie, if they really were serious, they would have been trying to kill each other)? Was anything other than the nut clusters touched by a sword during the fight? Clothing, for example? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 770 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did they have them tied to the same locations on their body? Or were the generous person's in an easier place to get to? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1573 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Person 1 handicap himself somehow? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1239 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the generosity due to the fact that Person 1 (agreed? suggested? This insisted?) that the two men fence with nut clusters as opposed to...flesh? Yes And person 2 now realizes that he would have surely been killed if this was an actual duel? Exactly so Were the clusters hung around the neck,No or otherwise attached to the chest somehow Yes; to the buttonholes, actually? Were they on the back (a place I would imagine is nearly impossibly to reach in a swordfight? No, they weren't Could Person 1 easily have killed Person 2? Yep Did he have reason to? In the context of the times when you could get killed for an odd look, yes; however, in our times we would not consider it a serious reason to kill someone Were they both familiar with each other's skill levels? Yope Given the oddity of the duel's target, can we assume it was a friendly albeit heated discussion beforehand? (ie, if they really were serious, they would have been trying to kill each other)? Yope Was anything other than the nut clusters touched by a sword during the fight? No Clothing, for example? No,or if so, only slightly Did they have them tied to the same locations on their body? Yes, see above Or were the generous person's in an easier place to get to? No Did Person 1 handicap himself somehow? No Now I think you have gathered almost all the relevant information; if you briefly summarize what happened I'll spoyle. | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2009 |
I'm going to do a little fictionalizing here for my own entertainment. Hopefully any inaccuracies will be trivial enough to draw this puzzle to a close. Person 1 saunters in to the town square of Person 2's town and proclaims that he (Person 1) is the best swordfighter in the land. Upon hearing this bold proclamation, the townspeople tell Person 2, who they believe to be the best. Person 2 enters the town square and says, "There can be only one best swordfighter in the land, and I do not believe that you are he. I challenge you to a duel." Person 1 replies, "I accept your challenge, but I must warn you that my skills are quite advanced. You are at an extreme risk of losing your life. It would be a crime to allow a fool such as yourself to keep his life, but I am feeling generous today. Might I offer the following challenge instead:" (Person 1 describes the hazelnut clusters being hung from each man's chest and the goal of being the first to remove all of the hazelnuts hanging from the other man using a saber.) Person 2 accepts the challenge. The two men duel. In the end, all of Person 2's nut clusters have been removed, while Person 1 has not lost any. Person 1: "Well, you believe me now, don't you?" Person 2: "Of course I do. How could I NOT believe you, after all that? And I do apologize. You have been very generous indeed." | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2009 |
Shoot. I forgot the part about Person 1 claiming that he would remove all of Person 2's nut clusters without any of his own being removed. Please add this point in after the parenthetical section in my above post. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1243 Registered: 11-2008 |
You got it with an amazing accuracy, Monty. Here goes the **********SPOILER******************** Person 1 was in fact Vincentio Saviolo, an Italian fencing instructor in the 16th century, who lived for many years in Britain, and who, to quote a witness, " with great boldnesse gave out speeches, that he had bene thus manie yeares in England, and since the time of his first comming, there was not yet one Englishman, that could touch him at the single Rapier, or the Rapier and Dagger. " Person 2 - an English fencing instructor Bartholomew Bramble, hears this, does not believe him, and invites him to his own school of defence to prove his point in practice. Saviolo refuses, and Bramble calls him a coward and spills some beer on him. Saviolo does not say anything but the next day, he finds Bramble and tells him he is going to show him something. He buys two dozens of hazelnut clusters, fastens half of them to his opponent's buttonholes, the other half to his own ones. They fight, and Saviolo removes the hazelnut clusters one by one from his adversary's pourpoint while Bramble is not able to remove a single one. Bramble is well aware that Saviolo could have hit him anytime instead of removing the hazelnuts. Thank you all for participating, and Probably monty hall for removing the last cluster There are several versions of this story, but I liked this one the best. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1589 Registered: 5-2003 |
Very good story! Can't wait to tell this puzzle myself. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1244 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thank you, Jenburdoo. I am pleased you liked it. :-)) |
