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Noel (Noel)
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Posted on Monday, September 28, 2009 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Of all people, he should have known better. But he did it anyway.
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Is it a phone dial? Is there a plastic explosive in the phone?

this month, I have been watching too many action movies :-)
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Is it a phone dial? no Is there a plastic explosive in the phone? no =)
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Profession important?
Hobbies?
Did/could this happen in current day?
True story/FYOI?
He = H/A/M?
Other parties?

What he did... did it cause:
His death?
Others?
Losing something?

Are there animals involved?
Television involved?
Commercials?
Heat/cooling?
Navigation of any kind?
Transportation?
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Profession important? yesish
Hobbies? noish
Did/could this happen in current day?it could, but it didn't.
True story/FYOI?true
He = H/A/M?yes
Other parties?yes, one

What he did... did it cause:
His death? no
Others?no
Losing something?yes

Are there animals involved? yes
Television involved? no
Commercials? no
Heat/cooling? no
Navigation of any kind? no
Transportation?no
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Did it cause him to lose an animal?
Money?
An object?
A person?
The third party?

Was the animal a [insert list of LTPF animals here]?

Was the third party a HAM or HAF?
Child?
Relative?
Friend?
Enemy?
Co-worker?
Stranger?
Acquaintance?

Is there a dial involved?
A sun-dial?
Noel (Noel)
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Did it cause him to lose an animal? no
Money? noish
An object? yesish
A person? no
The third party?no

Was the animal a [insert list of LTPF animals here]? pig

Was the third party a HAM or HAF? HAM, but irrel.
Child?
Relative?
Friend?probably this
Enemy?
Co-worker?probably this
Stranger?
Acquaintance?definitely this. No to rest.

Is there a dial involved? no or noish
A sun-dial?no
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Is he a farmer?
A criminal?
Is his profession in the field of [insert LTPF list of fields]?

Is there dial soap involved?
Does his job have anything to do with pigs?

What he did:
It caused him to lose an object.
Did the pig eat/swallow it? (Pigs love to eat)
Was it a valuable object?
A piece of jewelry?
A gem or any sort?

I have the mental image of a guy using too much dial soap to wash his hands, but it ends up loosening his wedding band and it gets swallowed by a pig when he's feeding it... long shot, but who knows.
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Is he a farmer? yes
A criminal?no
Is his profession in the field of [insert LTPF list of fields]?no other

Is there dial soap involved? haha, no
Does his job have anything to do with pigs??yes

What he did:
It caused him to lose an object. yes, for svv of "object"
Did the pig eat/swallow it? (Pigs love to eat)no
Was it a valuable object?no
A piece of jewelry?no
A gem or any sort?no

I have the mental image of a guy using too much dial soap to wash his hands, but it ends up loosening his wedding band and it gets swallowed by a pig when he's feeding it... long shot, but who knows. I like it. But no.
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To avoid sending you way down the wrong track, change my answer to is there a dial involved to no.
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Instead of "object" should I say "item", it is a physical thing? Could I hold it in my hand? Bigger than a bread box? Is the thing he loses alive?

Is the third parties profession relevant?
Or is he just a farmer?
Are they farmers on the same land?
Or lands that touch?
Neighbors?

Does the pig eat crops?
Something on this other mans land?
Something that belongs to the other man or something that belongs to him?
Belongs to anyone?
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Did he do it with the pig? Or to the pig? Or to the third party?
Did the pig do something to him? To the third party? To an object? Is more than one pig involved?
Is the third party a neighbor? Relevant? Did the third party lose something? Gain something? Did he have to compensate the third party for something?
Did what he did, or the consequences, affect his relationship with the third party?
Electric fences involved? Other fences?
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Instead of "object" should I say "item", not really it is a physical thing? yes Could I hold it in my hand? yes Bigger than a bread box? no Is the thing he loses alive? yope

Is the third parties profession relevant? no
Or is he just a farmer? assume this
Are they farmers on the same land?
Or lands that touch?
Neighbors?rest are irrel.

Does the pig eat crops? no
Something on this other mans land? no
Something that belongs to the other man or something that belongs to him?no
Belongs to anyone?no
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Did he do it with the pig? Or to the pig? he does something to the pig, but what he does to the pig is not the "it" in the puzzle statement Or to the third party? no
Did the pig do something to him? no To the third party? no To an object? no Is more than one pig involved? possibly. Irrel.
Is the third party a neighbor? probably. Relevant? no Did the third party lose something? no Gain something? no Did he have to compensate the third party for something? no
Did what he did, or the consequences, affect his relationship with the third party? no (or possibly, but irrel.)
Electric fences involved? no Other fences? no
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Is the thing he "loses" something that dies?
Noel (Noel)
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Is the thing he "loses" something that dies? yope
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Is an egg relevant?
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Is an egg relevant? no. Just a pig .
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Does the pig eat something? Otherwise destroy something? Use up resources needed otherwise? Or is the pig somehow damaged/devaluated? Does it fail to produce offspring?
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Does the pig eat something? no Otherwise destroy something? no Use up resources needed otherwise? no Or is the pig somehow damaged/devaluated? yes Does it fail to produce offspring? no
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Does the pig die (before it is slaughtered in the normal way)? Get sick? Does its meat become uneatable? Otherwise unmarketable (e.g. you could eat it without problems but it looks strange)? Is the pig or its meat stolen?
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Does the pig die (before it is slaughtered in the normal way)? no, but... Get sick? no Does its meat become uneatable? yes Otherwise unmarketable yes (e.g. you could eat it without problems but it looks strange)but not this? Is the pig or its meat stolen? no
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Does the meat become uneatable because

- it rots?
- it gets contaminated with chemicals? radioactivity? pharmaceuticals? germs?
- animals like rats or mice eat part of it?
- it gets dirty?
- it becomes indistinguishable from uneatable stuff (e.g. because of chaotic inventory accounting)?
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Does the meat become uneatable because

- it rots?
- it gets contaminated with chemicals? radioactivity? pharmaceuticals? germs? this one
- animals like rats or mice eat part of it?
- it gets dirty?
- it becomes indistinguishable from uneatable stuff and this one (e.g. because of chaotic inventory accounting) but not for this reason ?

no to rest
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Germs - Bacteria? Viruses? Protozoa? Prions? Others? Relevant?

Do the germs come into play while the pig is still alive?
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Germs - Bacteria? Viruses? Protozoa? Prions? Others? Relevant? irrelevant. Just germs in general.

Do the germs come into play while the pig is still alive? no
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Did he slaughter the pig? Did he do "it" while slaughtering the pig? Did he know better? Was he drunk? Did the whole pig become inedible? Did it seem like a good idea to him at the time? Was it deliberate? Did he benefit in any way from what he did?
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Did he slaughter the pig? yes Did he do "it" while slaughtering the pig? no Did he know better? well, he did it, so no Was he drunk? no Did the whole pig become inedible? no Did it seem like a good idea to him at the time? hmm. I'd say probably not. But it didn't seem like a bad idea either. Was it deliberate? yes Did he benefit in any way from what he did? no
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Does "it" have to do with what he did with the pig after he slaughtered it?
The place in which he stored it?
Does he store it with a bunch of meat that is good, but then realizes he can't distinguish it from the bad meat?
Is the thing he loses the germs?
The good meat?
All of his pigs?
Does he let a sick pig into the pasture only to realize it's mixed with the others and now he must kill them all?

It's always funny to me when two people are on TLPF trying to crack each others puzzles simultaneously in real time, now back to my smelly clothes!
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Does "it" have to do with what he did with the pig after he slaughtered it? yes
The place in which he stored it? no
Does he store it with a bunch of meat that is good, but then realizes he can't distinguish it from the bad meat? no
Is the thing he loses the germs? yope
The good meat? no
All of his pigs? no
Does he let a sick pig into the pasture only to realize it's mixed with the others and now he must kill them all? no

I noticed that too. I almost stuck around a few more minutes to see if you would post again, but it was time to go.
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Was some of the meat from the pig ruined? If so, does it matter what part of the pig? Did he put something in the meat that he shouldn't? Neglect to put in something that he should have? Neglect to remove something that should have been removed? Store it improperly? Store it for too long?
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Was some of the meat from the pig ruined? yes If so, does it matter what part of the pig? no Did he put something in the meat that he shouldn't? yope Neglect to put in something that he should have? no Neglect to remove something that should have been removed? no Store it improperly? no Store it for too long? no
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Title relevant?
Did he fail to clean something, so germs got into the meat?
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Title relevant? yes
Did he fail to clean something, so germs got into the meat?no
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Did the meat become contaminated because he left it unattended, and something happened to it? Contaminated? Did he neglect to do something having to do with hygiene? Did he use a tool or substance not suited for the job? Is it relevant what part of the pig was ruined?
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Did the meat become contaminated because he left it unattended, and something happened to it? no
Contaminated? ?? Did he neglect to do something having to do with hygiene? no Did he use a tool or substance not suited for the job? no Is it relevant what part of the pig was ruined? no
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hint: don't get too sidetracked by the germs. They're only a side effect of the other thing you asked about in the same post: that the meat became indistinguishable from inedible stuff.
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Was it (mixed with? not separated from?) inedible stuff? Did it immediately become inedible when he did "it"?
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Was it (mixed with? not separated from?) inedible stuff? By it do you mean the pig meat? The pig meat did become mixed with inedible stuff, and it was impossible to separate the meat from the inedible stuff.

Did it immediately become inedible when he did "it"?
yes
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Should he have known better than to mix the meat with inedible stuff? Did he know it was inedible? Was the inedible stuff also meat? Did he mix the meat with inedible stuff, or did he do something else which resulted in this?
Does it help if we know about the procedures of slaughtering? Meat cutting? Meat preservation? Pig anatomy?
Was he attempting to do something specific to the meat? Like salting, grinding, smoking, packaging, cutting, preparing a meal?
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Should he have known better than to mix the meat with inedible stuff? see below Did he know it was inedible? yes Was the inedible stuff also meat? yes Did he mix the meat with inedible stuff, no or did he do something else which resulted in this? yes

Does it help if we know about the procedures of slaughtering? Meat cutting? yope - but you already know what you need to know...see below Meat preservation? yope Pig anatomy?


Was he attempting to do something specific to the meat? yes Like salting, grinding this one - he was making sausage, smoking, packaging, cutting, preparing a meal?
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So he had some "good" meat?
And then some meat infected with a germ?
And he was grinding the meat to make sausage?
And he mixed the good meat with the bad?
Making all of it inedible?
And the reason he should have known better was more than just he was a farmer, and should have known this kind of thing was a bad idea?

Ok, hoping the above is correct:
Was the reason the meat became contaminated because he left it out for too long?
Is the reason relevant?
Should he have known because:
The fact that meat goes bad was just recently discovered?
Does the neighbor have something to do with why he should have known better?
Because of something the neighbor has told him?
Is he mixing all of his own meat, or is some his and some of it his neighbors?

Is it relevant when HE discovers he shouldn't have done "it"?
And "it" is simply mixing infected meat with good meat correct?
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So he had some "good" meat? yes
And then some meat infected with a germ? not at this point in the story
And he was grinding the meat to make sausage?the good meat, yes
And he mixed the good meat with the bad?yesish...it wasn't "bad meat" in the way I think you mean. It wasn't spoiled. It was just something that made the sausage inedible (or at least undesirable to eat). (they're not important, but germs would have entered the meat now, not earlier
Making all of it inedible? yes.
And the reason he should have known better was more than just he was a farmer, and should have known this kind of thing was a bad idea? yes

Ok, hoping the above is correct:
Was the reason the meat became contaminated because he left it out for too long? no
Is the reason relevant? yes, very
Should he have known because:
The fact that meat goes bad was just recently discovered? FA, the meat does not go bad. It is mixed with something inedible.
Does the neighbor have something to do with why he should have known better? no
Because of something the neighbor has told him? so no
Is he mixing all of his own meat, or is some his and some of it his neighbors? irrelevant

Is it relevant when HE discovers he shouldn't have done "it"? yes - he discovers immediately upon doing it
And "it" is simply mixing infected meat with good meat correct? no. There is no infected meat.
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Ick...I am visualizing a human body part getting caught in the grinder -- right track?
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As in "don't touch that dial" like the grinder wheel/thing? Does he get his finger stuck? Get's blood everywhere in the meat, now it is all inedible? He should have know because his neighbor had done this before? Because he had done it before?
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Is there something wrong with the grinder? Was there something in it that got mixed with the meat? Was parts coming in contact with the meat lubricated with mineral oil? Or something else unsuitable? Or cleaned with something unsuitable?
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Ick...I am visualizing a human body part getting caught in the grinder -- right track? yes

As in "don't touch that dial" like the grinder wheel/thing? yes Does he get his finger stuck? sort of Get's blood everywhere in the meat, now it is all inedible? probably He should have know because his neighbor had done this before? no Because he had done it before? yes!

Is there something wrong with the grinder? no Was there something in it that got mixed with the meat? no Was parts coming in contact with the meat lubricated with mineral oil? no Or something else unsuitable? no Or cleaned with something unsuitable? no

This post made huge steps forward! (or rather, it made huge steps laterally =)).

RECAP:
A farmer was making sausage. He put his finger too close to the grinder ("don't touch that dial"), and lost a finger (which most likely put blood and/or the actual finger into the grinder with the sausage, which is where everyone was sidetracked for a while). The reason that he of all people should have known better was that he had done the exact same thing previously and had lost a finger that time, too (loosely referenced by "we'll be right back").

You're nearly there. The only thing left to figure out is what the neighbor's role was.
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Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 3:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the neighbor standing near the grinder?
Did the neighbor say something to the farmer before he lost his finger? After?
Did the neighbor do anything to the farmer before he lost his finger? After?
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Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 12:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the neighbor standing near the grinder? yes
Did the neighbor say something to the farmer before he lost his finger? most likely. Assume yes. After? probably, but irrelevant
Did the neighbor do anything to the farmer before he lost his finger? no After? probably took him to the emergency room, but irrel
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Did the neighbor distract him? Startle him?
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Did the neighbor distract him? Startle him? neither
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Posted on Friday, October 16, 2009 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbor cause the accident in any way? Was the farmer making the sausage for the neighbor? Was he explaining to the neighbor how he lost his finger, carelessly demonstrating what he'd done and having the exact same thing happen again?
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Did the neighbor cause the accident in any way? Was the farmer making the sausage for the neighbor? Was he explaining to the neighbor how he lost his finger, carelessly demonstrating what he'd done and having the exact same thing happen again?this one!

**********SPOILER****************
This is a true story that happened to my husband's great uncle. He was making sausage one day, put his hand too close to the machine, and lost part of a finger. Later, after he had healed and gone back to work, he made sausage again. While he was working, he told his story to someone who wanted to know what had happened to him. Apparently he didn't learn his lesson from the first time, because as he gestured towards the sausage grinder, which was still running, he got too close for the second time and lost part of a second finger!

You would have thought he, of all people, would have known better than to put his finger anywhere near the grinder while it was running! Especially while he was in the process of telling someone what he had done wrong the first time.


Thanks to all who participated, and especially to Galfisk for sticking with it to the end.

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