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Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 6:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She never went there.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she supposed to? Was there an obstacle preventing her to go there? Is she alive?

SHe -H? A? F?
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Was she supposed to? not necessarily
Was there an obstacle preventing her to go there? no... ish
Is she alive? no

SHe -H? A? F? Yes to all.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Went - physically? Or as in never talked about something? Or another meaning of "went"? Did she want to go there?
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Went - physically? yes, this
Or as in never talked about something? Or another meaning of "went"?no to both, see above

Did she want to go there? probably. but largely irrelevant
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"There" = a specific place? House/street/town or city/county/country/continent? If none of these, which is the closest in size? Is it important what was in that place (such as a specific mountain or museum or beach)? Or is it important who was there? Could she have gone at any time in her adult life? was there something specific that kept her from going? Or something that had to be/happen to make her go, that wasn't?
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"There" = a specific place? yes
House/street/town or city/county/country <-This /continent? If none of these, which is the closest in size?

Is it important what was in that place (such as a specific mountain or museum or beach)? no
Or is it important who was there? no
Could she have gone at any time in her adult life? probably
was there something specific that kept her from going? yes
Or something that had to be/happen to make her go, that wasn't? a bit of this, too
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Distance relevant? Time period? War? How much money she had? Her line of work? Other people relevant?
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Distance relevant? Assuming you mean distance to the place, then yesish
Time period? yes
War? yes
How much money she had?noish
Her line of work? yes
Other people relevant? yes
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Modern day? 1900s? 1800s? 1700s? 1600s? . . . further back?

Country in [LTPF list of continents]?
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Modern day? 1900s? 1800s? 1700s? 1600s? . . . further back? <-This

Country in [LTPF list of continents]? Europe
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Ok, Renaissance? Late Middle Ages? Early Middle Ages? Roman Empire?

True story? Fiction? Your imagination?
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Ok, Renaissance? Late Middle Ages? Early Middle Ages?<-This Roman Empire?

True story? <-This Fiction? Your imagination?
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she thought of as being associated with a specific place? But hasn't actually been there? Or is there a place most people like her went? But she couldn't?

Are both her home and the place she never went in Europe? If not, is her home in Europe? The place?

Saying the "place she never went" is the same as saying the "country she never went to," right? Or is there a specific relevant destination within the country?
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Is she thought of as being associated with a specific place? But hasn't actually been there? Yes, that's about right

Or is there a place most people like her went? But she couldn't? no to these, see above

Are both her home and the place she never went in Europe? Yes
If not, is her home in Europe? The place?

Saying the "place she never went" is the same as saying the "country she never went to," right? Correct
Or is there a specific relevant destination within the country? This also may be true to some extent
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Is her association with the place from her name? Was she known as [name] of [country name]? Was she royalty from the country she'd never been to? Nobility from that country? Was her family in exile from that country?
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Is her association with the place from her name? not quite
Was she known as [name] of [country name]? yes
Was she royalty from the country she'd never been to? yes, with a slight "ish"
Nobility from that country? same as above
Was her family in exile from that country? No
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Was she married into royalty, but not born as such?
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Was she married into royalty, but not born as such? no
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 9:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

[name] of [country name]...does "country name" = the country she's never been to? The country she lives in? A different country?

Would she have been royalty of that country had she lived there? But since she never went there, she wasn't?

Is her marriage relevant? Was she married to nobility from her country of residence? To royalty of her country of residence? relevant?
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[name] of [country name]...does "country name" = the country she's never been to? yes
The country she lives in? no A different country? no

Would she have been royalty of that country had she lived there? not necessarily
But since she never went there, she wasn't? no

Is her marriage relevant? yes
Was she married to nobility from her country of residence? no
To royalty of her country of residence? no relevant? yes
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Was she married by proxy (or whatever the equivalent of this was back then)?

Did she die before she could join her husband in the foreign country?

The country of her name - is it England? Spain? France? Italy? Denmark?
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Was she married by proxy (or whatever the equivalent of this was back then)? no

Did she die before she could join her husband in the foreign country? No

The country of her name - is it England? <-this one, assuming you mean "title" as opposed to name... Spain? France? Italy? Denmark?
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The country of her origin - Spain? France? Italy? Germany? Denmark? Portugal?

Did she die soon after her marriage?
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Oh, and - did she ever meet her husband in person?
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The country of her origin - Spain? <- This, keeping in mind the time frame France? Italy? Germany? Denmark? Portugal?

Did she die soon after her marriage? no

Oh, and - did she ever meet her husband in person? yes
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Does it mean that they lived in Spain, and that she never went to England?
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Does it mean that they lived in Spain possible FA in "they", and that she never went to England? this part is correct
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Did she LIVE with her husband? did they live separately? did he die early?

Would you recommend us to google, or would it spoyle the fun for all of us?
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Did she LIVE with her husband? yesish
did they live separately? noish
did he die early? no

Would you recommend us to google, or would it spoyle the fun for all of us? it's up to you. It will likely spoyle it; but I had a feeling this would be a short one
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I will not google, then, and rely just on my feeble memory.

Did she live in the 13th century? 14th? 15th?
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Did she live in the 13th century? <-partly this 14th? 15th?
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Was her husband from England? Did he live in England?
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Was her husband from England? yes
Did he live in England? yope
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Did she become "[name] of England" by marrying her husband?
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Did she become "[name] of England" by marrying her husband? yes
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Not quite sure what to do here - I mean, I know who this person is, but is there more to the puzzle than that?
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Was the husband a king? Richard the Lionheart?
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Not quite sure what to do here - I mean, I know who this person is, but is there more to the puzzle than that? No, no more than that. Just thought it would be an interesting subject for a quickie puzzle.

Was the husband a king? Yes
Richard the Lionheart? That's the guy! which means it's time for a...

*******************************SPOILER*******************

Berengaria of Navarre (c. 1165 1230) was Queen of the English as the wife of King Richard I of England. He was in Italy (on the third Crusade) when he sent for her. They met up in Cyprus and were married.

She stayed elsewhere in Europe when Richard briefly went back to England - her specific whereabouts are hard to pinpoint, but this much can be said for sure: Berengaria never once set foot in England during King Richard's lifetime.

It is possible that she did visit England after Richard's death, but at that point she was no longer legally Richard's "consort", she was a "dowager queen" - and King John and Queen Eleanor allegedly stiffer her on her pension.


For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berengaria_of_Navarre

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