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Tommyp (Tommyp)
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Was is it, that in a to - and of - the?
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Could this be read as a grammatically correct sentence as it is written here? Would it be clearer if certain words had quotes around them, denoting that you're talking about the words themselves? Is there any missing punctuation? Missing words? Missing letters? Is there a code or cipher at work?
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Also, is the title a clue?
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Ohlala8:
Could this be read as a grammatically correct sentence as it is written here? No Would it be clearer if certain words had quotes around them, denoting that you're talking about the words themselves? No, it's already clear as mud Is there any missing punctuation? No, certainly not. Missing words? No Missing letters? No Is there a code or cipher at work? Not really, but slightly OTRT.
Also, is the title a clue? In a twisted way, yes.
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OTRT? Only Tommyp Reads Thesauruses?

Do you have to scramble words? Letters?
Do you have to take away word? Letters?
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Quovynyte:
OTRT? Only Tommyp Reads Thesauruses? On The Right Track (From the LTPF list of acronyms)

Do you have to scramble words? Letters?
Do you have to take away word? Letters? No to all
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Do you have to modify and letters?
Is the way it's written here the way you're to read it?

Duke = nobleman/British Peer of highest rank?
Do the -'s denote brackets?
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Do you have to modify and letters? No
Is the way it's written here the way you're to read it? No, not really the way anyone would write it either. Just some obfuscation.

Duke = nobleman/British Peer of highest rank? Yes
Do the -'s denote brackets? No, they're just there to irritate. :-)
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Not a duke... is it a duchess? count/countess? earl/whatever the female version of that is? lord/lady? marquis/marquise? prince/princess? king/queen? commoner? pauper? not a noble status at all? not a person at all?

Is the puzzle statement an anagram? Do some words/punctuation/letters need to be taken away? moved? rearranged? Do the words/letters stand for something else?

Eht - fo dna - ot a ni taht, ti si saw?
The - of and - to a in that, it is was? (Do either of these statements mean anything? Would either of them work as an alternate puzzle statment?)

Anything to do with the most commonly used words in the English language?
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Ohlala8:
Not a duke... is it a duchess? count This, but... /countess? earl/whatever the female version of that is? lord/lady? marquis/marquise? prince/princess? king/queen? commoner? pauper? not a noble status at all? not a person at all? Correct

Is the puzzle statement an anagram? No Do some words/punctuation/letters need to be taken away? They don't need to be taken away, but they serve no function there apart from decorating the puzzle statement. So just pretend they're not there. moved? rearranged? Do the words/letters stand for something else? No

Eht - fo dna - ot a ni taht, ti si saw?
The - of and - to a in that, it is was? (Do either of these statements mean anything? No Would either of them work as an alternate puzzle statment?) Only for an alternate puzzle, not this one

Anything to do with the most commonly used words in the English language? Very much so :-)
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Is it simply the list of the most commonly used words in the English language? In order ("was" is most common, then "it," etc.)? In reverse order ("the" is the most common, then "of," etc.)?
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Noel:
Is it simply the list of the most commonly used words in the English language? Yes In order ("was" is most common, then "it," etc.)? In reverse order ("the" is the most common, then "of," etc.)? This. The puzzle is not solved now, but well on its way!
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Is "count" a verb?
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All these words are the most common. Commoners cannot be Dukes. Therefore, the words are not dukes. Is this right?
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Alhucema:
Is "count" a verb? Yes, and then some...

Applesbananas:
All these words are the most common. Commoners cannot be Dukes. Therefore, the words are not dukes. Is this right? While all this is correct, it's not relevant for this puzzle, but good thinking.
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I'm intrigued, and yet I'm not sure where to go from here. Does "count" function as both a verb and a noun? Do we need to know anything more about the puzzle statement than the fact that it is a list of the top ten most commonly used English words, in reverse order? Does this list provide the key to something we need to count?
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Ohlala8:
I'm intrigued, and yet I'm not sure where to go from here. Does "count" function as both a verb and a noun? Yes and Yesish Do we need to know anything more about the puzzle statement than the fact that it is a list of the top ten most commonly used English words, in reverse order? No, those words are just that, but... Does this list provide the key to something we need to count? The list is a key to get to what could be called "The Second Puzzle Statement", similar to woubit's "A Better Tail" puzzle.
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Which of the following aspects about the puzzle statement point towards the meaning of the clue:
Backwards?
Least to most?
Common?
Count?
Count words?
Common words?
The English language?
The most common words of the English language?
10?
Ranking something?
The fact that it ends in a question mark?
Reverse?
Front to back?
Back to front?
Reverse order?

It seems to say "The 10 most common words of the English language in backwards order." But that's not really a clue to anything because you've already given us the list of words.
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Noel:
Which of the following aspects about the puzzle statement point towards the meaning of the clue:
Backwards? Yesish
Least to most?
Common?
Count? Yes, this
Count words?
Common words?
The English language?
The most common words of the English language?
10?
Ranking something?
The fact that it ends in a question mark?
Reverse? Yesish
Front to back?
Back to front?
Reverse order? Yesish

It seems to say "The 10 most common words of the English language in backwards order." But that's not really a clue to anything because you've already given us the list of words.
The "puzzle statement" I'm looking for only consists of one word, I think that's a help :-)
Then, when we have the puzzle statement, it's not much left until the puzzle is solved. I didn't want to make this my first puzzle in a long time lasting too long.
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A wild guess at the puzzle statement:

Common?
Noel (Noel)
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Countdown?
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Alhucema:
A wild guess at the puzzle statement:

Common? Sorry, not useful right now.

Noel:
Countdown? YES! well done.

So, now we have the puzzle statement "Countdown". But it's not so that we start all over with just that word and nothing else sofar has any meaning, we are still "in the same realm" (and not so far from the goal at all).
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It seems as if the words have been ordered in a reverse order as to their frequency in the English language - like a "countdown" which goes down from No 10 or whatever to No 1.
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Is the English language still a relevant clue to solving the puzzle? Or is its usefulness finished?
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Alcuhema:
It seems as if the words have been ordered in a reverse order as to their frequency in the English language - like a "countdown" which goes down from No 10 or whatever to No 1. Yes, that is the way to get to Countdown.
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Noel:
Is the English language still a relevant clue to solving the puzzle? Or is its usefulness finished? The English language in itself is now only useful for our questions/answers, but something else from above is useful.
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Is frequency still relevant?
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Quovynyte:
Is frequency still relevant? In a way, but can mislead.
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Is the word common relevant now?
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Noel:
Is the word common relevant now? Yes
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Are we supposed to count down something else that is common?

Is this also about common words? A common occurrence? A common trait? A common mistake? A common problem? A common name?

Countdown: of a rocket? A missile launch? A race start? A deadline? A holiday?
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Noel:
Are we supposed to count down something else that is common? No, not really

Is this also about common words? A common occurrence? This fits best A common trait? A common mistake? A common problem? A common name?

Countdown: of a rocket? A missile launch? A race start? A deadline? A holiday? This
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Terrorist A to Terrorist B: "All set up for blowing up the bomb and kill some capitalists. At which of the occasions we discussed shall we do it?"
Terrorist B, who likes his puzzles: "Was is it, that in a to - and of - the?"
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Is it a US holiday? A religious holiday?
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Noel:
Is it a US holiday? Not US-specific, no A religious holiday? For some, yes. For many, not.
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Countdown to the new year?
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Galfisk:
Countdown to the new year? Exactly!

********************SPOILER*************************

The original puzzle statement was:

Was is it, that in a to - and of - the?

That's the ten most common words in the English language, in reverse order. So they're number 10, 9, 8 and so forth to 1. That gave the second puzzle statement

Countdown

Since it was a countdown of the most common words, it should also be the most common countdown. And at the last ten seconds of New Year's Eve, a lot of people around the world (though one hour apart) are counting down from ten.


...and maybe opens a bottle of champagne. Champagne to Galfisk, Noel, Quovynyte, Alhucema, Ohlala8 and Applesbananas!

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