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I have to say, I enjoyed reading Gourami's ecological puzzle, but it made me think of a completely different story. Apart from the puzzle statement, there's no connection.

How did the desire for good fishing lead to death and destruction?
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Gourami enjoys having her name in puzzle titles. Also, I never realized this, but all the d words in this puzzle statement could totally be a Sandman reference.

Did The death cause the destruction? Did the destruction cause the death? Did they both more or less directly stem from the desire?
Was this a single incident? A long-term series of events? Was the death of people? A person?
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Gourami enjoys having her name in puzzle titles. Yeah, you're on a roll lately

Did The death cause the destruction? no Did the destruction cause the death? no Did they both more or less directly stem from the desire? not directly, no
Was this a single incident? yesish A long-term series of events? no Was the death of people? A person? no
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Does the term "fishing" mean luring/catching fish? If yes, is it salt water or fresh water fish?
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Does the term "fishing" mean luring/catching fish? yes If yes, is it salt water no or fresh water fish? this
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Death of fish? Other animals? Plant life? Insects? Pollution relevent? Poisons? Was the death caused by humans? The destruction? Did it result in good fishing?
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Salt water/fresh water relevant?
An obsessive desire?
Is there a person who has this desire?
Are there any other people relevant?
Is the location/time/era relevant?
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Galfisk:

Death of fish? no Other animals? this Plant life? no Insects? no Pollution relevent? no Poisons? no Was the death caused by humans? yes The destruction? yope Did it result in good fishing? no

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Salt water/fresh water relevant? yes, only for one reason
An obsessive desire? no
Is there a person who has this desire? yes
Are there any other people relevant? no
Is the location yes /time noish /era no relevant?
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Can we call this person Ross? So is Ross HAM?
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Can we call this person Ross? sure So is Ross HAM? yep
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Is it salt water? fresh water?
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Is it salt water? fresh water? this
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Was Ross directly involved in the death and destruction?
Was he indirectly involved?
Maybe the place where he fishes was blocked off or something and he was angry?
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Was Ross directly involved in the death and destruction? yesish
Was he indirectly involved? It's hard to separate the direct from the indirect in this case. The death and destruction wouldn't have happened if not for him, let's leave it at that
Maybe the place where he fishes was blocked off or something and he was angry? I'm going to say no, but you're not a million miles off
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Was it at a river? pond? lake? reservoir? other man-made water body?
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Was it at a river? pond? lake? a smallish lake or a largish pond reservoir? other man-made water body? no to the rest
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Types of fish relevant?
If so what letter/s do/es the start with?
A? B?
C? D?
E? F?
G? H?
I? J?
K? L?
M? N?
O? P?
Q? R?
S? T?
U? V?
W? X?
Y? Z?
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Types of fish relevant? not at all
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Method of fishing relevant?
Does he use a boat?
A machine?
A net?
A bullet?
A blade?
A bait?
Explosives?
A trawl?
Poison?
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Method of fishing relevant? yes, good question!
Does he use a boat? no
A machine? no
A net? no
A bullet? no
A blade? no
A bait? no
Explosives? yes
A trawl? no
Poison? no
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Oh, so he was blast fishing for fish as this often illegal practice can be extremely destructive to the surrounding ecosystem, as the explosion often destroys the underlying habitat (such as coral reefs) that supports the fish. The frequently improvised nature of the explosives used also means danger for the fishermen as well, with accidents and injuries.
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Oh, so he was blast fishing for fish as this often illegal practice can be extremely destructive to the surrounding ecosystem, as the explosion often destroys the underlying habitat (such as coral reefs) that supports the fish. The frequently improvised nature of the explosives used also means danger for the fishermen as well, with accidents and injuries. No. My puzzle isn't nearly as serious and ecological as Gourami's was, and while there was an explosive involved, he wasn't blast fishing. There's still some work to do, but you've made good progress!
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Commercial dynamite or, more commonly, homemade bombs constructed using a glass bottle with layers of powdered potassium nitrate and pebbles or an ammonium nitrate and kerosene mixture might have been used? Such devices, though, may explode prematurely without warning, and have been known to injure or kill the person using them, or innocent bystanders.
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Commercial dynamite this or, more commonly, homemade bombs constructed using a glass bottle with layers of powdered potassium nitrate and pebbles or an ammonium nitrate and kerosene mixture might have been used? Such devices, though, may explode prematurely without warning, and have been known to injure or kill the person using them, or innocent bystanders. but hey, I'm learning a lot here! Like, don't try to make bombs at home.
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Did Ross blow up fish?
Something else?
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Did Ross blow up fish?
Something else? this
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Did Ross blow up...
People?
Other Animals?
Boats?
Vehicles??
Coral?
Water?
Plants?
Rocks?
Himself?
Sand?
Other?
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Did Ross blow up...
People?
Other Animals? this
Boats?
Vehicles?? this
Coral?
Water? yope
Plants?
Rocks?
Himself?
Sand?
Other?

no to the rest
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Animals:
Mammals, Reptiles, Birds, Amphibians, Insects, Arachnids, Molluscs, Fish?

Vehicles:
Land, Water, or Air vehicles?
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Animals:
Mammals, this Reptiles, Birds, Amphibians, Insects, Arachnids, Molluscs, Fish?

Vehicles:
Land, this Water, or Air vehicles?
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Cars, Lorries, Vans, Trucks, Bicycles, Motorbikes, Other

Domestic Mammals? Wild Mammals? Other?
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Cars, this Lorries, Vans, Trucks, Bicycles, Motorbikes, Other

Domestic Mammals? this Wild Mammals? Other?
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Is there a road involved?
A motorway?

A cat, dog, monkey, mouse, monkey, gerbil, mouse, guinea pig, other?
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Is there a road involved? no
A motorway? no

A cat, dog, this monkey, mouse, monkey, gerbil, mouse, guinea pig, other?
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Did he have dynamite in his car? Was his dog also in the car? Did the car explode, killing the dog?
Was the explosion accidental?
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Did he have dynamite in his car? at some point Was his dog also in the car? at some point Did the car explode, killing the dog? yes...
Was the explosion accidental? yes...
With any luck, we're approaching the part of the puzzle that actually requires some lateral thinking :-)
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Did he have dynamite in his car for some particular reason?
Did he know it was there?
Was he bringing it somewhere?
Was he going fishing?
Was he coming back from fishing?
Was he fishing when the explosion happened?
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Did he have dynamite in his car for some particular reason? yes
Did he know it was there? yes
Was he bringing it somewhere? yes
Was he going fishing? yes
Was he coming back from fishing? so no
Was he fishing when the explosion happened? no...
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Was he in the car?
Was he going to use the dynamite for fishing?
Did he want it to explode in the car?
Did he want to explode an animal? A human?
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Was he in the car? when?
Was he going to use the dynamite for fishing? yes, in an sppish kind of way.
Did he want it to explode in the car? no
Did he want to explode an animal? A human? no
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Shot in the dark:
Did he throw the piece of dynamite (for some reason) and the dog ran after it and fetched it, bringing it back to the car?
Killing the dog?
Killing him?
Destroying the car?
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Also: is he using the dog to help him fish?
The dog retrieves the fish?
He blows up the lake and then sends the dog to get the floating fish?
But oops, the dog ran after the dynamite?
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Shot in the dark:
Did he throw the piece of dynamite (for some reason) and the dog ran after it and fetched it, bringing it back to the car?
Killing the dog?
Killing him?
Destroying the car? good shooting. This is all exactly on track. The only thing left to figure out is how the fishing figures into it.

Also: is he using the dog to help him fish? no
The dog retrieves the fish? no
He blows up the lake and then sends the dog to get the floating fish? no, as I've said, he wasn't blast fishing
But oops, the dog ran after the dynamite? but this is correct
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Was he blowing something up to make a dam?
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Was he blowing something up to make a dam? nope
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So a man was in a car with his dog, threw a dynamite for the dog to fetch and the dog came back and blew all of them up?

Did he plan this to happen?
Did he mistake a stick of dynamite for a stick?
Was he near the body of water at the time?
Is there any more death and destruction involved?
Is the car, the dog and the man the only thing the dynamite blew up?
Was he planning on throw his dog the dynamite and it to blow up earlier than it did? Later?
Did he know he brought dynamite?
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So a man was in a car with his dog, at first threw a dynamite yes for the dog to fetch no and the dog came back and blew all of them up? see below

Did he plan this to happen? no
Did he mistake a stick of dynamite for a stick? no
Was he near the body of water at the time? yes
Is there any more death and destruction involved? no
Is the car, yes the dog yes and the man no the only thing the dynamite blew up?
Was he planning on throw his dog the dynamite and it to blow up earlier than it did? no Later? no
Did he know he brought dynamite? yes
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is there ice involved? relevant? was there just one stick of dynamite? did it have a wick that is attached to a pump like thing? was he trying to kill himself? was the dynamite attached to the fishing pole or hook? the car? the dog? the man? did he throw the dynamite? did the dog fetch it? bring it back to his location? was he in a boat? was he on land? on a dock?
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is there ice involved? YES relevant? very was there just one stick of dynamite? yes did it have a wick that is attached to a pump like thing? no was he trying to kill himself? no was the dynamite attached to the fishing pole or hook? no the car? no the dog? only in the sense that the dog fetched it the man? no did he throw the dynamite? yes did the dog fetch it? yes bring it back to his location? no... was he in a boat? no was he on land? no on a dock? no
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So the man was ice fishing? He had his dog with him. He had walked out on to the ice, lit the dynamite, and rolled it out on to the ice to create a hole to fish through? The dog mistook the dynamite for a chase toy, fetched it, and brought it back? Death and destruction ensued?
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So the man was ice fishing? He had his dog with him. He had walked out on to the ice, lit the dynamite, and rolled it out on to the ice to create a hole to fish through? The dog mistook the dynamite for a chase toy, fetched it, and brought it back? Death and destruction ensued? yep.

**************SPOILER********************
This is a story about why drunken idiots and explosives don't mix. A man got a brand new Jeep and celebrated by going out and having a beer or twelve with his friends. Then they decided to go ice fishing, and drove the car out to the middle of a frozen pond. It's customary (albeit somewhat illegal) to create a hole in the ice using dynamite, and the man had a stick with a 20 second fuse, so he decided to throw it as far away as possible, for maximum safety. Unfortunately, he had brought his lab with him, and what are labs trained to do if not to retrieve stick-like objects? The dog fetched the dynamite, and the man, afraid for his life, started shouting, trying to get the dog to drop the "stick." When this only got the dog more excited, he took a few shots at it with a BB gun, at which point it realized its master had gone crazy, and ran for cover in the only place that provided cover in the immediate vicinity: under the car. Dog and car went up in a fiery explosion, all because the idiot man wanted to do some good fishing.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Awesome and funny, the best mix...

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