[GalFisk] Oops Log Out | Topics | Search
Moderators | Register | Edit Profile

Lateral Puzzles » Solved Lateral Thinking Puzzles » Solved Puzzles - December 2009 » [GalFisk] Oops « Previous Next »

Author Message
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 628
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 2:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They got the opposite of what they wanted - and how!
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 630
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And oops I refreshed the page and double-posted.
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 515
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 6:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They = They? Are they HAM? Are "they" 2? 3? 4? 5? 6-10? 11-20? 21-50? 50-100? 100-1000? More than 1000? Are they all alive immediately before getting the opposite? Immediately after getting the opposite? Does anyone die because they got the opposite?

Did they want some tangible item(s)? Money? An information? Some kind of declaration or acknowledgement? Some legal position (other than becoming the owner/possessor of a tangible item or money)? Some kind of work done? Some physical or mental state? See something? Hear something?

Did they expect someone to give them what they wanted? To help them to get what they wanted?

Did all of "them" want the same? Did they cooperate to get it? Or was there some kind of rivality between them?

Did they expect to get what they wanted? Did they know there was a risk they would get the opposite?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 636
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 4:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They = They? Are they HAM? Yes. Are "they" 2? 3? 4? 5? 6-10? 11-20? 21-50? 50-100? 100-1000? More than 1000? Difficult to say...assume 1 or 2 were directly responsible, out of hundreds or thousands. Are they all alive immediately before getting the opposite? Yes.Immediately after getting the opposite?Yope - depends on how you look at it Beware of FAs. Does anyone die because they got the opposite? Yes.

Did they want some tangible item(s)? Noish. Money? An information? Some kind of declaration or acknowledgement? Some legal position (other than becoming the owner/possessor of a tangible item or money)? Some kind of work done? Some physical This. or mental state? See something? Hear something?

Did they expect someone to give them what they wanted? To help them to get what they wanted? No to both.

Did all of "them" want the same? Yes. Did they cooperate to get it? Or was there some kind of rivality between them? Probably both.

Did they expect to get what they wanted? Yes. Did they know there was a risk they would get the opposite? Maybe - but nothing like what they did get.
Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member
Username: Yojimbo

Post Number: 132
Registered: 11-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 7:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did they want eternal life, but got sudden death?
I'll think of some other Qs; it's late and I'm tired.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 637
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did they want eternal life Yes!, but got sudden death?Yope - and there's more to it.
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 521
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 1:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they want eternal life in the form of an afterlife? Becoming "immortal" due to their fame? Or simply living eternally more or less in the form they were living before?

Do all persons in the group of hundreds or thousands die because of the incident?

Does "getting the opposite" necessarily include dying? So they are by definition dead immediately after getting the opposite? But the relevant incident may have occured a while before?

Did all of the hundreds or thousands actively do something to get eternal life? The one or two persons directly responsible?

Is it relevant that "they" are all male? Are only the persons directly responsible HAM or also all of the hundreds or thousands? Are there other relevant persons?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 638
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they want eternal life in the form of an afterlife? Becoming "immortal" due to their fame? Or simply living eternally more or less in the form they were living before? This.

Do all persons in the group of hundreds or thousands die because of the incident? No.

Does "getting the opposite" necessarily include dying? No. So they are by definition dead immediately after getting the opposite? No. But the relevant incident may have occured a while before? Irr.

Did all of the hundreds or thousands actively do something to get eternal life? Yes. The one or two persons directly responsible? Yes.

Is it relevant that "they" are all male? Noish. Are only the persons directly responsible HAM or also all of the hundreds or thousands? Assume that they were all HAM. Are there other relevant persons? Yes.
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 523
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 3:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they expect to live eternally no matter what would happen in future? Or only not to die of old age or sickness with the possibility of a violent death or suicide still open?

Did they expect to become immortal by divine intervention? By magic? By technical means and/or medical measures? Or did they think that living eternally is just natural (so people only die because of an unnatural lifestyle)?

Did the one or two persons directly responsible something else than the hundreds or thousands? If yes: Were they expected to do so?

Are the other relevant persons HAM? Are these persons actively involved in making sure "they" get the opposite? Or are they trying to help "them"? Do these persons even know what "they" are doing? Why "they" are doing it?
Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member
Username: Yojimbo

Post Number: 133
Registered: 11-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 5:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did "they" expect eternal life as some kind of reward for actions in this life?
suicide bombers relevant?
Hashishin (the hash-eating assassins, expecting seventy-two virgins - note: gender unspecified! poor lads are likely in for a surprise...)?
other cults/religious groups relevant?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 639
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 8:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they expect to live eternally no matter what would happen in future? Or only not to die of old age or sickness with the possibility of a violent death or suicide still open? This, probably.

Did they expect to become immortal by divine intervention? By magic? By technical means and/or medical measures? Or did they think that living eternally is just natural (so people only die because of an unnatural lifestyle)? Medical measures.

Did the one or two persons directly responsible something else than the hundreds or thousands? If yes: Were they expected to do so? They did the same general thing.

Are the other relevant persons HAM? H, all ages, both sexes - explore Are these persons actively involved in making sure "they" get the opposite? Yope. Or are they trying to help "them"? No. Do these persons even know what "they" are doing? Irr. Why "they" are doing it? Irr.


did "they" expect eternal life as some kind of reward for actions in this life? No.
suicide bombers relevant? Noish.
Hashishin (the hash-eating assassins, expecting seventy-two virgins - note: gender unspecified! poor lads are likely in for a surprise...)? Haha, no nothing like that.
other cults/religious groups relevant? No.
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 525
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Medical measures - surgery? pharmaceutics? megadoses of nutrients? genetic engineering? cryotechics? something usually considered as "alternative medicine"?

The one or two persons: did they make a mistake? Convince others to do something which turned out to be contraproductive? Did these persons die as a result of their attempts to become immortal? Did anyone else die?

The hundreds or thousands: Did they know the one or two persons? Did they consider them to be experts? Leaders?

The other relevant persons: Do they have in common their profession? Another social role? Nationality? Are they working together? Do they also try to become immortal?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 643
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 9:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Medical measures - surgery? pharmaceutics? This is closest. megadoses of nutrients? genetic engineering? cryotechics? something usually considered as "alternative medicine"?

The one or two persons: did they make a mistake? Yes, for svv of "mistake" Convince others to do something which turned out to be contraproductive? No - I think they actually warned others not to try what they did. Did these persons die as a result of their attempts to become immortal? Who? Some of the hundreds or thousands probably died from what they did to become immortal. Did anyone else die? Yes, as a result of what the 1-2 persons did.

The hundreds or thousands: Did they know the one or two persons? Irr. Did they consider them to be experts? Leaders? No, peers if anything.

The other relevant persons: Do they have in common their profession? Another social role? Nationality? Are they working together? Do they also try to become immortal? No to all - to safe you from FAs: The other relevant persons are humanity in general.
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 526
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they expect to take some pills containing *stuff(s)* (or maybe inject/inhale/drink *stuff(s)*) and become immune to ageing and sickness?

Some of the hundreds and thousends died. Did others become seriously ill? Did the 1-2 responsible persons die? Become seriously ill?

Humanity in general is somehow relevant, too. Is this about something most people world-wide believe? Do? Feel like?

LTPF list of centuries, please. If 19th or 20th century, also LTPF list of decades, please.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 649
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 10:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they expect to take some pills containing *stuff(s)* (or maybe inject/inhale/drink *stuff(s)*) and become immune to ageing and sickness? Yes.

Some of the hundreds and thousends died. Did others become seriously ill? Probably. Did the 1-2 responsible persons die? Become seriously ill? Possibly injured.

Humanity in general is somehow relevant, too. Is this about something most people world-wide believe? Do? Yope. Feel like? No to the rest.

LTPF list of centuries, please. If 19th or 20th century, also LTPF list of decades, please. 9th century.
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 529
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 10:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

9th century? Wow. LTPF list of continents, please.

So some got ill, but the responsible persons (possibly) got not ill but injured - beaten up by disappointed members or relatives of the hundreds and thousands?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 650
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 11:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

9th century? Wow. LTPF list of continents, please. Asia.

So some got ill, but the responsible persons (possibly) got not ill but injured - beaten up by disappointed members or relatives of the hundreds and thousands? No, nothing like that.
Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member
Username: Tommyp

Post Number: 702
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 11:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mercury relevant?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 652
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 5:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mercury relevant? No.
Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member
Username: Tommyp

Post Number: 704
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 10:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So up to thousands of people died because they ate something that was supposed to prolong their life?
One or two were "directly responsible" for these deaths? by fooling people to take this medicine?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 658
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 11:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So up to thousands of people died because they ate something that was supposed to prolong their life? No.

One or two were "directly responsible" for these deaths?No, they were not responsible in any way for thise deaths. by fooling people to take this medicine? No.

To clear up an apparent FA: No medicine is directly involved in the puzzle, although it's what they (the 100s-1000s of people) were trying to make (for svv of "medicine").
The ones that did get sick or die, did so from their own attempts at this "medicine".
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 533
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 2:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the one or two persons bring up the idea that the "medicine" would make immortal? Did they want to do so? Or were their actions misunderstood? Did they believe the medicine would make immortal? Did they make the medicine themselves? Did they take it themselves? Give it to others?

Those who got sick or died: Were they harmed by taking the medicine (or what they supposed to be it)? Or in the process of producing the medicine?
Of obtaining material (Ingredients? Equipment? Recipes?) for producing it?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 659
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the one or two persons bring up the idea that the "medicine" would make immortal? No. Did they want to do so? The idea existed already. Or were their actions misunderstood? No. Did they believe the medicine would make immortal? FA: They tried to make "medicine" to make themselves immortal, but they ended up making something else. What they made can not be classed as medicine and was not used as such. Did they make the medicine themselves? They made the non-medicine themselves. Did they take it themselves? Give it to others? FA - they did not make medicine.

Those who got sick or died: Were they harmed by taking the medicine (or what they supposed to be it)? Or in the process of producing the medicine?
Of obtaining material (Ingredients? Equipment? Recipes?) for producing it? Probably all of the above. To clarify/recap:
The hundreds or thousands were a group of people trying to find a formula for immortality. Some of them undoubtedly got sick or even died from their concoctions.
The one or two made something that turned out not to be a formula for immortality, and they didn't try to use it as such, but it's possible they were injured by it. Other people died from it.
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 536
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 4:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The invention of gunpowder?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 660
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 5:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The invention of gunpowder? Kaboom, we have a winner!

***SPOILER***
Chinese alchemists were trying to create an elixir of immortality, when they inadvertently stumbled upon the formula for gunpowder. Instead of leading to eternal life, their creation became a tool for death and destruction throughout the world for centuries to come.
Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member
Username: Tommyp

Post Number: 722
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Aha!...
Markobr (Markobr)
New member
Username: Markobr

Post Number: 539
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you for the puzzle.

Add Your Message Here
Post:
Username: Posting Information:
This is a private posting area. Only registered users and moderators may post messages here.
Password:
Options: Enable HTML code in message
Automatically activate URLs in message
Action: