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Five years ago I created a puzzle type (we created lots of new puzzle types in those days) called the Idiomuzzle. It's a puzzle where the answer always is an idiom (could be a common proverb, a slang expression, a phrase...). I ran five Idiomuzzles before taking a short break with them... ;-) - and recently came Idiomuzzle number 6: http://www.lateralpuzzles.com/discus/messages/14243/20175.html?1259850925

Idiomuzzles often are Quickies - they usually don't take too long to solve. And you can help solving one of the words without the need to know "the whole story".


RULES for Idiomuzzles:
  • The puzzle statement is presented using black and green words (and occasionally red).
  • The words in black are only "fillers" to complete the statement, they are of no use more than to separate the green words from each other.
  • The green words are the words to be decoded into the solution idiom. One or more (if adjacent) green words are decoded to one word in the solution.
  • Red words don't need any decoding, they are moved to the solution "as is".
  • Decoding the green words is done by finding "synonyms, near-synonyms or sound-alikes (or sometimes a bit less obviously related connections)" for them - and finding the synonyms is done by standard lateral questions.
  • Only "real" lateral questions should be asked - don't ask grammar questions like if the second word should be a noun, how many letters in a word... (but we neither have minus points nor IP bans, so don't be too afraid to ask...
  • If nothing else is stated, the words in the solution comes in the same order as in the puzzle statement. (Otherwise, it's an "Idiomuzzle/Scrambled")

PUZZLE STATEMENT: This is the scariest thing, by far, I have ever witnessed, said the British Premier while watching the female archeologist's trained hands lifting a Babylonian amulet up to the light.
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Premier: politician? Or as in superior, best?
Trained: taught? Or targeted on something? Or to do with trains?
by -> buy relevant?
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Galfisk:
Premier: politician? No Or as in superior, best? OTRT
Trained: taught? OTRT Or targeted on something? No Or to do with trains? No
by -> buy relevant? No
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Is "by" initials for something?

by = near? along?

premier = first?
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Noel:
Is "by" initials for something? No

by = near? along? ... and No

premier = first? OTRT
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Premier = Leading? Foremost? best?
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Premier = Leading? Foremost? best? None of them, but still OTRT
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Premier = original? Top?
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Noel:
Premier = original? Top? No, "getting colder"...

Maybe it's not just to substitute one word for another? Or maybe it is, who knows?
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Are we allowed to substitute more than one word for one of the green words? For example, could "scariest" translate to "most _____"? Does it?

Similarly, premier could be "foremost" or "for most." Is this allowed?
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Noel:
Are we allowed to substitute more than one word for one of the green words? For example, could "scariest" translate to "most _____"? Does it? No, one or more green words can never be more than one word in the solution

Similarly, premier could be "foremost" or "for most." Is this allowed? So, no
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Was this idiom spoken by Einstein? About Einstein? Related to Einstein? Related to Geniuses?


Babylonian amulet: relic? artifact? something specifically related to Babylon? Mesopotamia?

by: past? through? related to 'by the way'?

scariest: are we looking for something that might be considered to be the scariest? a synonym for scariest? (is this even a legal question?)
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Probably_monty_hall:
Was this idiom spoken by Einstein? About Einstein? Related to Einstein? Related to Geniuses? No, but...

Babylonian amulet: relic? artifact? One type of Babylonian amulet something specifically related to Babylon? Mesopotamia?

by: past? through? related to 'by the way'? No

scariest: are we looking for something that might be considered to be the scariest? Yes a synonym for scariest? (is this even a legal question?) Yes, that's just within the (very loose and dynamic) definition of what is allowed - no synonym
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The Babylonian amulet - an animal?
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The Babylonian amulet - an animal? Sorry, no
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The scariest thing. Is it an object? A person? An animal? A place? A concept? A monster? A famous movie villain?
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Noel:
The scariest thing. Is it an object? A person? Yope (if I remember the LTPF definition of Yope correctly...) An animal? A place? A concept? A monster? A famous movie villain?
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Yope = yes and no

The scary yope-person...A character? A vampire? A statue?
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By = "times" (as in multiplication)? "via"? Are either of these OTRT?

Trained as in taught? focused? (not necessarily these words, but the sense)
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Noel:
Yope = yes and no But there are different kinds of "yes and no" - but I think I stand by the Yope

The scary yope-person...A character? A vampire? A statue? Neither, and you border on a FA

Biograd:
By = "times" (as in multiplication)? "via"? Are either of these OTRT? No

Trained as in taught? OTRT focused? (not necessarily these words, but the sense)
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By = bi = Two? Half?
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Noel:
By = bi = Two? Half? Sorry, no

Hard to start this one, yes?
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Premier - prime minister?
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Long shot, but...
Does "scariest" = "hide"? As in Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? Definitely a yope person, and Hyde is the scarier of the two.

Or another long shot...
"scariest" = "future"? As in the Ghost of Christmas Future from A Christmas Carol?
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Ack, never mind, you said it wasn't a character.
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Alhucema:
Premier - prime minister? No

Noel:
Long shot, but...
Does "scariest" = "hide"? As in Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? Definitely a yope person, and Hyde is the scarier of the two. No, you're getting a bit OTWT...

Or another long shot...
"scariest" = "future"? As in the Ghost of Christmas Future from A Christmas Carol? No
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Hm, so each of these words represents a single different but related word? And together they make a well-known phrase?

Are we allowed to work towards this from another direction, for example trying to work out the origin or topic of the solution? Is it a quote? Something traditional? Is it originally English, or translated from something else? Was it first said before the 20th century? Is it European, American, Asian?

scariest - scarring involved?
by - as in farewell? As in the term for missing part of a contest (a "by round")?
premier - superior, best.
trained - taught.
Babylonian amulet - something famous? Made of a particular material? Gold, silver, bronze, stone, brass, iron, wood? An ankh (that's Egyptian, but just guessing)?
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Jenburdoo:
Hm, so each of these words represents a single different but related word? And together they make a well-known phrase? Correct, though adjacent green words like "Babylonian amulet" will together translate to one word in the solution

Are we allowed to work towards this from another direction, for example trying to work out the origin or topic of the solution? Yes, you are allowed just about everything but grammar questions. And the worst that could happen is that I won't answer a question... Is it a quote? Not really, not a "famous quote" taught in school or anything Something traditional? No Is it originally English, or translated from something else? It's English, but not typically English (could have been translated from another language as well) Was it first said before the 20th century? I don't think so, I believe it's from the 20th century Is it European, American, Asian? No special "regionality" I know of

scariest - scarring involved? No. it's something that is said to be "The Scariest"
by - as in farewell? As in the term for missing part of a contest (a "by round")? Neither
premier - superior, best. OTRT
trained - taught. OTRT
Babylonian amulet - something famous? No. Something difficult to gues... ;-) Made of a particular material? Gold, silver, bronze, stone This, and/or possibly clay, brass, iron, wood? An ankh (that's Egyptian, but just guessing)? Sorry, wrong guess
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Scariest - as in most frightening? H/A/M?
By - An action undertaken by somebody/something (as in "This book is written by," "The premier was met by the president," "The premier was shot by the assassin," etc?
Premier - overseeing something? Senior in rank or precedence? Premier Grand Cru? Premium? Prime? Premature ("Preemie")?
Trained - professionally? Trained as synonym for "aimed"?
Babylonian amulet - an actual physical amulet? Size relevant?

Location or era relevant?
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Jenburdoo:
Scariest - as in most frightening? Yes H/A/M? HAM, but...
By - An action undertaken by somebody/something (as in "This book is written by," "The premier was met by the president," "The premier was shot by the assassin," etc? No
Premier - overseeing something? Senior in rank or precedence? Premier Grand Cru? Premium? Prime? Premature ("Preemie")? No, something connected to "first" and "best"
Trained - professionally? Could be, usually is Trained as synonym for "aimed"? No
Babylonian amulet - an actual physical amulet? No, a type of amulet Size relevant? Noish, but...

Location or era relevant? Not really, though not pre 20th century
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Any abbreviations involved? Do the letters of any words stand for something else? (BY = Brigham Young, etc)

More than one person involved? Two, three, more?

Most frightening person - Alive and breathing? Fictional?
First and best -- applies to the HAM? Someone else? Something? The amulet?
Trained - in a skill? A profession? Long-term? Trained by the HAM? Or is the HAM the trainee?
Babylonian amulet - medal? Talisman? Religious significance? Size/shape/color relevant? Is it attached to something? Is it drawn on a wall or something? Is it an archaological artifact (given that it's 20th-century)?

Would Einstein have been familiar with this phrase? Did he say it? Is it a command, a question, a statement of fact?

Modern technology relevant? History? This could not have happened before the 20th century?
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Jenburdoo:
Any abbreviations involved? Not really, but for one word it's OTRT Do the letters of any words stand for something else? (BY = Brigham Young, etc) Not really like that, but...

More than one person involved? Two, One or two, but none of them is so much "involved" three, more?

Most frightening person There's a smallish FA there... - Alive and breathing? Yes Fictional? No
First and best -- applies to the HAM? Noish, the different green words are unrelated Someone else? Or no-one special Something? The amulet?
Trained - in a skill? Hard to answer, could be both a yes and a noish A profession? Long-term? Trained by the HAM? Not by that ham, don't try to get "the greens" into contact with oneother Or is the HAM the trainee?
Babylonian amulet - medal? Talisman? Religious significance? Size/shape This/color relevant? Is it attached to something? Irr Is it drawn on a wall or something? No Is it an archaological artifact Yes (given that it's 20th-century)? You're mixing things up. The solution is 20th century. Each word and how you get to it is in itself unrelated to the other green words and also to the solution. So the same people aren't involved with all the green words, and not in the solution situation. You could check the previous Idiomuzzle.

Would Einstein have been familiar with this phrase? No, Einstein is himself not involved at all, but he could have heard this (though I don't think so) Did he say it? Is it a command, a question, a statement of fact? A statement, not necessarily "of fact"

Modern technology relevant? A bit History? This could not have happened before the 20th century? No, because of the technology, but it's not much "happened" in this
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Most frightening person - Is the solution-statement about this person? Is it a generalized person, or a specific one? Is his name relevant? Is he intended to stand for multiple people?

"the different green words are unrelated." I'm confused by this; which green words are you talking about? I was asking about whatever stands in for "premier."

Do the green words not have anything to do with each other?

Trained in a "skill" - a range of skills? Like the way karate involves a number of skills but is taught in a single class?

Trained - in a sport?

Guess I'll have to go read the previous puzzles...
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"The Scariest" is a HAM, but...
Is it a person, but the thing they're supposed to be the scariest of is not a person? Or is it a group of people? Is it someone (or a group) participating in a scary event?

Premier = earliest? early? Champion?

Is "by" short for something?

Does by rhyme with something? If so, my? eye? I? fly? rye? cry? try? die? fry?
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Jenburdoo:
Most frightening person - Is the solution-statement about this person? FA Is it a generalized person, or a specific one? Is his name relevant? Is he intended to stand for multiple people? But here you are getting OTRT

"the different green words are unrelated." I'm confused by this; which green words are you talking about? The puzzle statement contains writing in black and green, the green words are "scariest", "by", "Premier", "trained" and "Babylonian amulet". These could be said to be five unrelated "mini-puzzles", no answer on one of the words is applicable to another of the green words. So "scariest" has its own time-frame (which is present) while "Babylonian amulet" has another (it's an old artifact). And the HAM you're talking about in relation to "scariest" is of no relevance for the other words. Hopefully I didn't just thicken the mist now...

I was asking about whatever stands in for "premier."

Do the green words not have anything to do with each other? Not at all

Trained in a "skill" - a range of skills? Could be, but the important thing is to go from just "untrained" to "trained". There's an FA lurking here... Like the way karate involves a number of skills but is taught in a single class? It could be said to be like that, but...

Trained - in a sport? Could be, later on, but might mislead (beware of the lurking FA)

Guess I'll have to go read the previous puzzles... Yes, you'll see that "Everything is unrelated..."

Noel:
"The Scariest" is a HAM, but...
Is it a person, but the thing they're supposed to be the scariest of is not a person? Or is it a group of people? YES YES Is it someone (or a group) participating in a scary event? Yesish, for svv of "event" - might mislead

Premier = earliest? OTRT, but no more so than "first" or "best" early? Champion?

Is "by" short for something? No

Does by rhyme with something? If so, my? eye? I? fly? rye? cry? try? die? fry? Nothing like this, you should look for a synonym/near-synonym for "by", a common word but not my first choice as a synonym for by... (apart from when making this puzzle up)
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Scariest --
Is the group scary? or is the "event" scary?
Rather than "event," would it be better to say it's a group of people participating in a ritual? a group present at a certain location? participating in contest? sitting for portrait? Illustrated in artwork? doomed to some fate? doing some routine task? Doing something out of the ordinary?
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Noel:
Scariest --
Is the group scary? Yes, so they say or is the "event" scary? The events are meant to be scary, though that is not their main function
Rather than "event," would it be better to say it's a group of people participating in a ritual? Noish a group present at a certain location? participating in contest? sitting for portrait? Illustrated in artwork? doomed to some fate? No for these doing some routine task? For them, it could maybe be routine Doing something out of the ordinary? Yesish, most people would say so, though...
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Is it a religious group? An acting group? A cult? A gaming/role-playing group (e.g. Dungeons&Dragons)? A school group?
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Is it a religious group? Absolutely not An acting group? This is closest, but really not that close A cult? A gaming/role-playing group (e.g. Dungeons&Dragons)? A school group?
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Scariest --> People in a haunted house? People doing an activity similar to an organized zombie walk? People doing ritualistic killings? People simulating something? People in a social and/or service group (like Masons, Moose, Rotary, etc.)? A group of athletes? A group of students? People riding an amusement park ride?

Are the people all in one place while they're doing whatever they're doing? Or are they dispersed geographically? If they did the same thing again at a later date, would they do it with the same group of people?

Is the reason it's scary: what it looks like? What it sounds like? What actions they're doing? What it smells like? What it reminds people of? Something that is said? What the result is? What the risk is?
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Scariest --> People in a haunted house? People doing an activity similar to an organized zombie walk? People doing ritualistic killings? People simulating something? People in a social and/or service group (like Masons, Moose, Rotary, etc.)? A group of athletes? A group of students? People riding an amusement park ride? None of these, sorry

Are the people all in one place while they're doing whatever they're doing? They do it together in one place Or are they dispersed geographically? If they did the same thing again at a later date, would they do it with the same group of people? The same group of people would do it again, but probably at another place

Is the reason it's scary: I haven't said it's scary - they say it's scary... ;-) what it looks like? This What it sounds like? And this What actions they're doing? And this What it smells like? What it reminds people of? Possibly a little bit of this Something that is said? What the result is? What the risk is?
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By --> aside? away? beyond? close? handy? over? past? through? near? along? alongside? beside? nearby? nigh? round? on? via? with? adjacent? at?
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Are they protesters of some sort (the "scariest" people)?
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By --> aside? away? beyond? close? handy? over? past? through? near? along? alongside? beside? nearby? nigh? round? on? via? with? adjacent? at? None of the above. While several are closer synonyms to "my" word, they unfortunately don't fit into the solution idiom. It is "by" in the meaning "accompanying", perhaps that helps a little in finding the right word - otherwise try some patented lateral questions... ;-)

Are they protesters of some sort (the "scariest" people)? No, what they do is of no "higher meaning"
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Are they scientists? philosophers? atheists? professors?
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Are they scientists? philosophers? atheists? Some people would say they are this, but I think that that impression is mainly from lack of knowledge from those people, maybe the group also want people to believe things about them that aren't really true. For commercial purposes... professors?
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Wiccans? Pagans? Voodoo people? Something along these lines? A secret society? I think you already said it wasn't the Masons, but I keep coming back to them. Is it anyone like them?
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Wiccans? Pagans? Voodoo people? Something along these lines? No, but Christan Right Wing would have you believe thay are all of the above... A secret society? No, they try to be as little a secret as possible... I think you already said it wasn't the Masons, but I keep coming back to them. Is it anyone like them? No
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Politicians? Democrats? Liberals? Environmentalists?
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Politicians? Democrats? Liberals? Environmentalists? No, neither politics nor anything of "higher meaning" - more interest in money and "not being a secret = ?
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Um, bankers? Lenders? Colleges or Universities? Business owners? Landlords? (I am well aware that these don't fit the previous clues...but trying to get my brain working in the right direction. Anything close?)
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Um, bankers? Lenders? Colleges or Universities? Business owners? Landlords? (I am well aware that these don't fit the previous clues...but trying to get my brain working in the right direction. Anything close?) No, the money bit might have been a bit misleading... think more of the antonym for "being a secret"
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RECAP, with a BLOOPER CONFESSION

Puzzle statement again:

This is the scariest thing, by far, I have ever witnessed, said the British Premier while watching the female archeologist's trained hands lifting a Babylonian amulet up to the light.

No green word had sofar seemingly been decoded to red (=meaning solved). However in a long list of Noel's suggestions on the word by I missed her correct "with" - sorry!
This is the scariest thing, with far, I have ever witnessed, said the British Premier while watching the female archeologist's trained hands lifting a Babylonian amulet up to the light.

Facts about the other words has also been discovered:
  • scariest - this represents a homogenous group of people, saying they are "the scariest". They are not a secret sect, on the contrary they want to become less a secret... It's normally the same group of people, but the place for their "gatherings" usually vary. The group has no "higher mening" or "higher goal". Closet guess sofar is "acting group".
  • Premier - something that's relevant with the sofar best guesses "first" and "best"
  • trained - somehow in the meaning trained at a skill
  • Babylonian amulet - an archaeological artefact of stone or clay, not famous, we're looking for the type. Shape is relevant.

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premier=most? Gold medal relevant? Number one?
group: of artists? Performers? Are they scary? Are they a threat? Are they HAM? HA mixed? 2+, 5+, 10+, 100+, 1000+ members?
Shape of amulet: square? Rectangular? Round? Is it flat? Size smaller than: a pea? Golf ball? Tennis ball? Bowling ball? Suitcase? Human?
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premier=most? Gold medal relevant? No, but a little bit OTRT Number one? No, but also OTRT
group: of artists? YES Performers? Are they scary? They say so Are they a threat? No Are they HAM? Yes HA mixed? 2+ 4, 5+, 10+, 100+, 1000+ members?
Shape of amulet: square? Rectangular? Round? OTRT, but... Is it flat? No Size smaller than: a pea? Golf ball? This, I would think Tennis ball? Bowling ball? Suitcase? Human?
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(the "scariest" group) Is it a band? Is the band name a synonym for "scariest"? Do they play hard rock? Heavy metal? Similar?

Is the amulet oval-shaped? Spherical?
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Egg-shaped? Shaped to look like/symbolize something?
Does the scariest group: wear makeup? Dress up? Do dangerous stuff? Seemingly dangerous but really quite safe? Gross stuff? Creepy stuff? Can what they do be described as a performance? Show? Act? Is it done on a stage? Do they go on tour?
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(the "scariest" group) Is it a band? YES Is the band name a synonym for "scariest"? No. We look for the band name, but it's not a synonym for scariest, but they apply for the title of being The Scariest Do they play hard rock? Heavy metal? Similar? They actually don't play as hard rock as one would expect, it's alternative rock/standard rock music mixed up with much else. It's more their scene show that is scary

Is the amulet oval-shaped? Spherical? No, go on
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teardrop shaped? moon shaped (crescent)?
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Egg-shaped? Shaped to look like/symbolize something? No, a rather simple form (might symbolize something, though)
Does the scariest group: wear makeup? Dress up? Do dangerous stuff? Could be a little bit Seemingly dangerous but really quite safe? Mostly this Gross stuff? Creepy stuff? Can what they do be described as a performance? Show? This Act? Is it done on a stage? Yes Do they go on tour? Yes, at least have done in North America and Europe
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teardrop shaped? moon shaped (crescent)? Neither, getting colder...
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Simple geometrical shape? Spherical? Pyramid? A regular polyhedron? Or a two-dimensional shape with uniform thickness?
Band: Kiss?
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Simple geometrical shape? Yes Spherical? Pyramid? A regular polyhedron? Or a two-dimensional shape with uniform thickness? None of these, and three-dimensional

Band: Kiss? No, much less known. I believe you may need lateral questions to find that out...
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egg-shaped?

Band: [LTPF list of decades]? Would it help to refine the music style further than alternative/standard rock? If so, punk? goth? grunge? ska?
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egg-shaped? No

Band: [LTPF list of decades]? 90's and 00's Would it help to refine the music style further than alternative/standard rock? If so, punk? goth? grunge? ska? It would, if it really was clearly definable... alternative rock, rock and roll, goth rock, blues - and then some (I'll look it up)...
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Is the band still together? Are all members of the band alive? Does the band have a one-word name?
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Shape: Cone? Donut? Cylinder? Cube? Does it have: Curves? Straight edges? Corners? Concave parts?
Band from [LTPF list of continents]? Band name: one word? The [word]?
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Is the band still together? As far as I know, but it's not the most famous band in the world Are all members of the band alive? All current members, anyway... ;-) During the years, they have as many other bands, changed members. Two of the original three, from the end of the 80's, are still playing. Some more have come and gone, they are now four, occasionally a HAF can temporarily up the number to five. Does the band have a one-word name? Yes, not so well known, but good for a puzzle

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Shape: Cone? Donut? Cylinder? THIS Cube? Does it have: Curves? Straight edges? Corners? Concave parts?
Band from [LTPF list of continents]? North America Band name: one word? Yes The [word]? No, no "The"

...and the shape of the amulet is also the sought-after name for the puzzle, so we now have two words decoded!

This is the scariest thing, with far, I have ever witnessed, said the British Premier while watching the female archeologist's trained hands lifting a cylinder up to the light.
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Trained: honed? Premier: superb? Is it a superlative?
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Trained: honed? No Premier: superb? No Is it a superlative? No, but it represents something good
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Premier: Excellent? Great? Awesome? Cool? Rad? Is it a slang word? Can it be said about a person that wins a competition? Can it be said about the person who came second?
Is the cylinder that of an engine? Or is it a container? Is it hollow?
Is the training in the form of: repeating something until you become good at? Being taught/told/shown how to do something? Or does both work?
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Premier: Excellent? Great? Awesome? Cool? Rad? None of these Is it a slang word? It's not slang, and it's only sometimes... Can it be said about a person that wins a competition? No, not really Can it be said about the person who came second? No

Is the cylinder that of an engine? Or is it a container? Is it hollow? No to these (I assumed you asked about the word in the solution idiom now)
Is the training in the form of: repeating something until you become good at? Possibly this, but beware of an FA Being taught/told/shown how to do something? Not this, same FA problem Or does both work? No
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FA: that it is done to/by a person? Is it more like a fine adjustment? A balance? Perfection?
Premier: perfect?
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Band name: an object? A location? An animal, plant, or other living thing? an emotion? another kind of noun? a verb? an adjective? an adverb? a preposition? A conjunction?
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Galfisk:
FA: that it is done to This/by a person? Is it more like a fine adjustment? A balance? Perfection?
Premier: perfect? No

Noel:
Band name: an object? This A location? An animal, plant, or other living thing? an emotion? another kind of noun? a verb? an adjective? an adverb? a preposition? A conjunction?

Good questions, we're getting somewhere!
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Trained: an animal? A machine? Domesticated?
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premier: one?

trained: the result of having been trained? Like "skilled" or "good" or "refined"?
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Trained: an animal? An animal is being trained, yes A machine? Domesticated?

Probably_monty_hall:
premier: one? No, but getting closer

trained: the result of having been trained? Yes Like "skilled" or "good" or "refined"? Like that, yes, but none of those words
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Premier: "a"? (like the premier letter of the alphabet)
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trained: like "obedient"?
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Trained: to do something? Avoid doing something? Perform a trick? Is the training done to: domesticated animal? Wild? Water animal? Mammal? Is this training usually done to this animal? Is the animal deadly? Dangerous? Smaller than a human? Smaller than a cat?
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Premier: "a"? (like the premier letter of the alphabet) Exactly! and Premier Grade/A Grade, sometimes it's a word, sometimes just a letter...

trained: like "obedient"? No

Galfisk:
Trained: to do something? A bit of this Avoid doing something? But mostly this Perform a trick?
Is the training done to: domesticated animal? This Wild? ...and this Water animal? No Mammal? Yes
Is this training usually done to this animal? Yes Is the animal deadly? While you don't think of these animals as deadly, they have killed quite a few people Dangerous? Same as previous answer
Smaller than a human? Smaller than a cat? Neither

Good! This gives us:

This is the scariest thing, with far, I have ever witnessed, said the British a while watching the female archeologist's trained hands lifting a cylinder up to the light.
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Clarification/correction:

trained: like "obedient"? Something like obedient, but not that word
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(training)
Is it an elephant? A horse?
trained = broken?
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Is it an elephant? A horse? Yes
trained = broken? YES, good!

Now we're down to:

This is the scariest thing, with far, I have ever witnessed, said the British a while watching the female archeologist's broken hands lifting a cylinder up to the light.

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Piston? Car? Auto? Engine? Motor? Anything auto-related? Anything motor related?
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Piston? Car? Auto? Engine? Motor? Anything auto-related? Anything motor related? No to all
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Anything gun related? Gun? Revolver? Rifle?
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Anything gun related? Gun? Revolver? Rifle? Sorry, no
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the 'scariest' band: did they ever have a song on the radio? in the USA?

the 'object' with a broken cylinder: does such an object currently exist? if not, LTPF list of centuries, please. Is the object man-made? does a cylinder play a central purpose to its function? more than one cylinder? Would it be said that the object is "used" (as opposed to, say, observed)?
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the 'scariest' band: did they ever have a song on the radio? in the USA? I don't know about radio, they have released 9 CD's, that I know. Surely some radio stations have played songs by them

the 'object' with a broken cylinder: does such an object currently exist? Yes if not, LTPF list of centuries, please. You can get a "list" anyway, (at least) from 19th century to present Is the object man-made? Yes, or now more specifically "machine-made" does a cylinder play a central purpose to its function? Yes more than one cylinder? One or two Would it be said that the object is "used" (as opposed to, say, observed)? It's used
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ack, I have to bow out of this one. I tried to look up a list of one-word band names to stimulate thoughts about with things that had cylinders, and one of them was parenthetically labeled as "the scariest band in the world." I thought that would be a safe search and wouldn't be cheating, but alas -- stupid parenthetical information! Sorry!!! Anyway, I look forward to finding out what the expression means. Sorry again.

PMH, I'd say you're going about it the right way and should get there soon. Good luck!
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Noel, something very similar happened to me with Idiomuzzle 6. Sometimes Google can be a little TOO helpful...

hmmm... is the object used for/as:
- a weapon?
- a musical instrument? is it a didgeridoo? please tell me it's a didgeridoo :-)
- a vehicle?
- cooking?
- cleaning?
- eating/drinking?

Is the object primarily used in Australia/New Zealand? Is it used outside of Oceania? Is it used in North America?

Is it used by people? Primarily adults? Gender relevant?
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Noel - I thought you had learnt from Aussie Salute that googling my puzzles is scary...? ;-)

Probably_monty_hall:
hmmm... is the object used for/as:
- a weapon?
- a musical instrument? is it a didgeridoo? please tell me it's a didgeridoo :-)
- a vehicle?
- cooking?
- cleaning?
- eating/drinking?
None of the above, not even a didgeridoo

Is the object primarily used in Australia/New Zealand? Is it used outside of Oceania? Is it used in North America? It is used all over the world

Is it used by people? Yes Primarily adults? Adults and large enough children Gender relevant? No
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yeah, I thought I had learned...I thought I was being really careful this time. *sigh*
But actually, that one turned out to be for the good (sort of ), because we learned there was a second expression that fit the clues. No excuses, though.
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Is the object a machine? Can it be turned on & off? Does it contain moving parts? Is the object itself cylindrical in shape?

Is the cylinder(s) solid (not hollow or filled with a different material)?

size of the object: smaller than a mouse? cat? dog? person? horse? elephant? house? skyscraper?

Is there an LTPF list of solid materials? If so, I'd like to invoke it for the object, please.
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Probably_monty_hall:
Is the object a machine? No Can it be turned on & off? No Does it contain moving parts? Yes Is the object itself cylindrical in shape? No

Is the cylinder(s) solid (not hollow or filled with a different material)? It's neither solid nor hollow

size of the object: smaller than a mouse? cat? This dog? person? horse? elephant? house? skyscraper?

Is there an LTPF list of solid materials? If so, I'd like to invoke it for the object, please. I don't know if there is, this is made of some metal
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It's neither solid nor hollow
Is it some other state of matter? Liquid? Gas?
Is it filled with a different substance?

Is the object hand-held? Does the user physically move it in order to use it?

Could it be be called a tool? It's not the band 'Tool' is it?
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Probably_monty_hall:
It's neither solid nor hollow Yes, seemed to fit with your definition of solid...
Is it some other state of matter? Noish Liquid? Gas? Metal + a little air makes it neither solid nor a hollow cylinder
Is it filled with a different substance?

Is the object hand-held? Noish Does the user physically move it in order to use it? Yesish

Could it be be called a tool? It's not the band 'Tool' is it? No to both, but the band Tool could have been used as a hint to find the relevant band for this puzzle - just don't let this mislead you
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Does the object make sound? Is that its primary purpose? Does air move through the cylinder? Is it a tool? Is it a pump? Does it create something? Destroy something? Change something?
Is the band name also the name of the object?
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Galfisk:
Does the object make sound? A little, perhaps. The less the better Is that its primary purpose? So no Does air move through the cylinder? No Is it a tool? No Is it a pump? No Does it create something? No Destroy something? No Change something? Noish
Is the band name also the name of the object? Yes, the words are exactly equal
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Does anything pass through the cylinder? Light? Is it most important what's inside the cylinder? Outside? Is it a binocular or telescope? Is it important that it is stealthy? Cruicial? Does it have moving parts? More than one? Is it used: in the home? Outside? By the military? Underwater? Near animals? Can it be said that it's used "on" something? Is it useless with the cylinder broken? Even if it has another one? Does it consume something? Does it take pictures? Can you wear it? Is it reusable? does it contain any relevant chemical?
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Is this cylinder some part of a lock?
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Galfisk:
Does anything pass through the cylinder? Yes, almost through... Light? No Is it most important what's inside the cylinder? Outside? Both what's inside and outside of the cylinder is needed for "the whole" to be of any use Is it a binocular or telescope? No Is it important that it is stealthy? No, otherwise it's just annoying Cruicial? Does it have moving parts? Yes More than one? Yes Is it used: in the home? Yes Outside? Borderline... ;-) By the military? They too Underwater? I think it works less than perfect under water Near animals? Yesish, but might mislead Can it be said that it's used "on" something? Yes, in a way Is it useless with the cylinder broken? Yesish Even if it has another one? No, then it's "just" bad Does it consume something? No Does it take pictures? Not at all Can you wear it? No Is it reusable? Irrelevant does it contain any relevant chemical? No

Woubit:
Is this cylinder some part of a lock? YES, good!

Not much left now!
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Padlock? [Something]lock? Lock[something]? Just lock? Just one word, right? Or are we looking for something with a lock in it? Like a door?
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Galfisk:
Padlock? No [Something]lock? No Lock[something]? No Just lock? No Just one word, right? Correct Or are we looking for something with a lock in it? No Like a door? No
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Is it a lock? But called something else?
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slipknot?
that's one scary band, if I have the name right (eerie masks); my son was into them for a bit, and they look the scariest -- can't recall their sound or genre... but as a lateral lock, might that work?
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no, even in my lateral dreams, I can't tie a slipknot with ANY kind of cylinder. must be something else. still, they're a scary band.
is it a type of lock? like a tumbler? a deadbolt?
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Galfisk:
Is it a lock? No. As Woubit suggested, the relevant cylinder is part of a lock. We're looking for another part of a lock. But called something else?

Yojimbo:
slipknot?
that's one scary band, if I have the name right (eerie masks); my son was into them for a bit, and they look the scariest -- can't recall their sound or genre... but as a lateral lock, might that work? No, that might not work...

no, even in my lateral dreams, I can't tie a slipknot with ANY kind of cylinder. must be something else. still, they're a scary band. Correct, they're the right kind of band - with the wrong name

is it a type of lock? like a tumbler? a deadbolt? THIS! We have a winner!

************************ SPOILER ************************

Yes, it's the deadbolt we were looking after. Not of much use if the cylinder is broken, right?

So if you think someone is "dense", and you're the mean kind of guy, you possibly address him as "Hey! you! Einstein!" as in the hinting title. But now you have an alternative when you speak about that person, he's like a:


Deadbolt with a broken cylinder

So we got from the puzzle statement:
This is the scariest thing, by far, I have ever witnessed, said the British Premier while watching the female archeologist's trained hands lifting a Babylonian amulet up to the light.
...to the solution:
This is the Deadbolt thing, with far, I have ever witnessed, said the British a while watching the female archeologist's broken hands lifting a cylinder up to the light.
...in a bit over 100 "moves", thanks everyone!

BTW, "Deadbolt" is/was a San Diego band with - what they themselves say - "a scary performance". "The band is known for its use of power tools during their live sets, and it is customary to be showered with sparks of red-hot metal during their live shows."

With this puzzle the words were less direct synonyms and more near-synonyms/related words, and I think that came out right. It created more lateral questions and less synonym guessing.

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