| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1936 Registered: 5-2003 |
They really shouldn't have. But it was Christmas! | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 940 Registered: 3-2004 |
...started with woubit's Christmas puzzle when they only had 2 hours/day available for puzzling activity? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1937 Registered: 5-2003 |
No. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 942 Registered: 3-2004 |
I didn't think so... Are "they" people you know? or are you not involved in the puzzle? Are "they" even humans? adult? male? female? Or animals? Fiction? True story? Did "they" do something they "shouldn't have"? did it cause a problem? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1938 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are "they" people you know? or are you not involved in the puzzle? This. Are "they" even humans? adult? male? HAM female? Or animals? No. Fiction? True story? This. Did "they" do something they "shouldn't have"? Yes. did it cause a problem? No. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 154 Registered: 11-2009 |
did they do something generous? selfish? helpful? illegal? socially inappropriate? If it weren't Christmas, would they have done it? and would it have caused comment? Since it was Christmas, were they regarded favorably, for having done it? Did they do it because it was Christmas? Gifts relevant? Other conventional Christmas activities (caroling? cutting down a tree? making cookies? stringing popcorn? other?)? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 769 Registered: 9-2009 |
Could it have caused a problem? Did they go out of their way to do it? Did they do something nice? Something too nice (which is why they really shouldn't have)? Did they do it for someone? For more than one? A specific group? Did they spend: money? Time? Resources? Anything that wasn't theirs to spend? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 953 Registered: 3-2004 |
Is it someone saying the puzzle statement? or thinking it? is that person relevant? Does someone really think they "shouldn't have"? or is it more like "oh, you shouldn't have bought me that fur coat!? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1940 Registered: 5-2003 |
did they do something generous? This. selfish? helpful? illegal? And this. socially inappropriate? If it weren't Christmas, would they have done it? No. and would it have caused comment? Yes. Since it was Christmas, were they regarded favorably, for having done it? Yes. Did they do it because it was Christmas? Yes. Gifts relevant? Yes. Other conventional Christmas activities (caroling? cutting down a tree? making cookies? stringing popcorn? other?)? I guess you could call it a holiday activity of sorts. Could it have caused a problem? Yes. Did they go out of their way to do it? Possibly. Did they do something nice? Yes. Something too nice (which is why they really shouldn't have)? Yesish. Did they do it for someone? For more than one? A specific group? This. Did they spend: money? Probably. Time? Resources? Anything that wasn't theirs to spend? No to the others. Is it someone saying the puzzle statement? or thinking it? is that person relevant? No to all. Does someone really think they "shouldn't have"? Yes. or is it more like "oh, you shouldn't have bought me that fur coat!? No. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2009 |
Did they steal something? and give it as a gift? Did they go somewhere forbidden to them? (cross a border? sneak into a park?) Were objects involved, as in gifts, beverages, etc.? Could they have done it legally? Could they have done it at any time of day? If not, when could they do it? midnight-4:00? 4:00-8:00? 8:00-noon? noon-16:00? 16:00-20:00? 20:00-midnight? [LTPF days of week list]? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1941 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they steal something? No. and give it as a gift? Did they go somewhere forbidden to them? No. (cross a border? sneak into a park?) Were objects involved, as in gifts, beverages, etc.? Yes. Could they have done it legally? No. Could they have done it at any time of day? Any weekday during work hours, but irrelevant. If not, when could they do it? midnight-4:00? 4:00-8:00? 8:00-noon? noon-16:00? 16:00-20:00? 20:00-midnight? [LTPF days of week list]? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 168 Registered: 11-2009 |
did they alter something? did they do it in public view? would it be obvious that what they were doing was illegal? did someone or some people receive a/some tangible object(s) as a result of what they did? was the result of what they did esoteric/intrinsic/intangible, instead? location relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1943 Registered: 5-2003 |
did they alter something? No. did they do it in public view? No. would it be obvious that what they were doing was illegal? Yes. did someone or some people receive a/some tangible object(s) as a result of what they did? Yes. was the result of what they did esoteric/intrinsic/intangible, instead? Yesish. location relevant? Yes. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 988 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did they do this illegal outside? indoors? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1944 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they do this illegal outside? indoors? This. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 800 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they throw a party? Was it illegal because of: what they did? Where they did it? Who they did it for? Criminals relevant? Prison? Is the group they did it for: HAM? Underprivileged? Homeless? Criminal? 10+, 20+, 50+, 100+, 1000+ people? Are the group who did it 10+, 20+, 50+, 100+, 1000+ people? Free food involved? Free drinks? Gifts? Something else free? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1946 Registered: 5-2003 |
Blooper: Illegal = for svv of illegal. Did they throw a party? No, with a tiny ish. Was it illegal because of: what they did? Where they did it? This, primarily. Who they did it for? Criminals relevant? No. Prison? No. Is the group they did it for: HAM? Yes. Underprivileged? Homeless? Criminal? No to all. 10+, 20+, 50+, 100+, 1000+ people? Less than 10. Are the group who did it 10+, 20+, 50+, 100+, 1000+ people? Less than 10, exact number irrelevant. Free food involved? Free drinks? This. Gifts? Yope. Something else free? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 1008 Registered: 3-2004 |
It was not really illegal, but they had not asked for permission? so it was then not allowed? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 810 Registered: 9-2009 |
Location: residence? Office? Workplace? Other building? Illegal: against the law? Against the rules at this location? Profession of either groups relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 811 Registered: 9-2009 |
Would it be accurate to call "They" hosts and the people they did it for guests? Alcohol involved? Relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1947 Registered: 5-2003 |
It was not really illegal, but they had not asked for permission? not quite. so it was then not allowed? Location: residence? Office? Workplace? Thisish. Other building? Illegal: against the law? Against the rules at this location? This. Profession of either groups relevant? Yes. Would it be accurate to call "They" hosts and the people they did it for guests? No. Alcohol involved? Yes. Relevant? Yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 828 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they serve alcohol? Where they shouldn't have? Or is there more to it? Did it happen at work? During work hours? Do the two groups work at the same place? Was it against the rules: to serve alcohol? To give it away for free? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1948 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they serve alcohol? Not quite. Where they shouldn't have? Yes. Or is there more to it? Yes. Did it happen at work? Yesish. During work hours? Irr. Do the two groups work at the same place? Yesish. Was it against the rules: to serve alcohol? under these circumstances, yes. To give it away for free? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 836 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did group 1 drink? Group 2? Were either supposed not to? Did they do other things they were not supposed to? If so: as a result of drinking? In addition to? Did group 1 buy the alcohol? Or was it already present t the location? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1956 Registered: 5-2003 |
Assuming you're thinking of group 1 as the givers and group 2 as the receivers: Did group 1 drink? Group 2? Neither. Were either supposed not to? Group 2, yes. Did they do other things they were not supposed to? Group 1 did. If so: as a result of drinking? In addition to? No to both. Did group 1 buy the alcohol? Yes. Or was it already present t the location? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 849 Registered: 9-2009 |
So alcohol was served but not actually consumed? Or given as a gift? Or did someone else drink it? Were the givers not allowed to give alcohol? Were the receivers not allowed to receive alcohol? Are the receivers under the care/protection/watch of the givers? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1957 Registered: 5-2003 |
So alcohol was served but not actually consumed? It wasn't served or consumed. Or given as a gift? This. Or did someone else drink it? No. Were the givers not allowed to give alcohol? Probably. Were the receivers not allowed to receive alcohol? Probably. Are the receivers under the care/protection/watch of the givers? Yes, in a sense. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 361 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is the setting a rehab hospital? Or something similar? Givers = the employees of the hospital/clinic? Receivers = the patients? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1962 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the setting a rehab hospital? Or something similar? No. Givers = the employees of the hospital/clinic? Receivers = the patients? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 854 Registered: 9-2009 |
Anyone underage involved? Givers: superiors of the receivers? Could the receivers have bought alcohol themselves? Specific type of alcohol relevant? Were group 2 not supposed to drink: because of medical conditions? Because they were at work? Had they been without alcohol for a long time? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 1024 Registered: 3-2004 |
Guards relevant? military? borders? barriers? schools? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1964 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anyone underage involved? No. Givers: superiors of the receivers? Probably. Could the receivers have bought alcohol themselves? Not at the time. Specific type of alcohol relevant? Possibly. It was brandy. Were group 2 not supposed to drink: because of medical conditions? Partly this. Because they were at work? Primarily this. Had they been without alcohol for a long time? No. Guards relevant? military? Thisish. borders? barriers? schools? No to the others. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1373 Registered: 7-2009 |
Are the receivers in jail? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1967 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are the receivers in jail? No. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 1034 Registered: 3-2004 |
Are the people in the two groups from the same country? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1968 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are the people in the two groups from the same country? Yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 858 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the givers in any of the following fields: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? How about the receivers? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1969 Registered: 5-2003 |
I'm going to change this around a bit for clarity. Are the recievers in any of the following fields: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? This. Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? This. Science? This. Engineering? This. Transportation? And this. Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? How about the givers? Most likely the same as the receivers, but may also include food service and management. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 200 Registered: 11-2009 |
were they (all relevant HAMs and HAFs) in a branch of the armed forces? army? air force? marines? navy? coast guard? border patrol? secret service? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1970 Registered: 5-2003 |
were they (all relevant HAMs and HAFs) in a branch of the armed forces? Mostly. The exact branches were mixed, and which specific ones they were in is irrelevant. The receivers were from the Navy and Air Force. Some of the givers may have been civilian. army? air force? marines? navy? coast guard? border patrol? secret service? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 863 Registered: 9-2009 |
Relevant when this happened (century/decade)? Did it happen during a war? In a war zone? Were the receivers on duty? How about the givers? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1976 Registered: 5-2003 |
Relevant when this happened (century/decade)? Yes. Did it happen during a war? Yes, but irrelevant. In a war zone? No. Were the receivers on duty? Yesish. How about the givers? Noish. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 1050 Registered: 3-2004 |
Were the receivers in some sort of Emergency Service? they should be stand-by and ready to work if they were needed? Could we invoke the LTPF list of decades, please? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1977 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the receivers in some sort of Emergency Service? they should be stand-by and ready to work if they were needed? No to both. Could we invoke the LTPF list of decades, please? 1960s. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 209 Registered: 11-2009 |
were the receivers in uniform at puzzle-time? did they receive because they were serviceHAM/Fs? (like that appellation?) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1978 Registered: 5-2003 |
were the receivers in uniform at puzzle-time? No. Good question. did they receive because they were serviceHAM/Fs? No (and they are all HAMs). | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1390 Registered: 7-2009 |
Were the givers and receivers all in the military for the same country? Geographical location relevant? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 213 Registered: 11-2009 |
were the givers aware that the receivers were in the military? were the receivers patients in the hospital, or other convalescent milieu? is alcohol legal in the country where the puzzle takes place? [LTPF list of countries?] | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1979 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the givers and receivers all in the military for the same country? Yes. Geographical location relevant? Yes. were the givers aware that the receivers were in the military? Yes. were the receivers patients in the hospital, or other convalescent milieu? No. is alcohol legal in the country where the puzzle takes place? Yes. [LTPF list of countries?] United States. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 219 Registered: 11-2009 |
not sure if this came up... were the two groups usually hostile to each other, or antagonistic, or at least shunned each other? or perhaps one group felt one of those ways, but not the other? protesters relevant? military facility relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1980 Registered: 5-2003 |
not sure if this came up... were the two groups usually hostile to each other, or antagonistic, or at least shunned each other? or perhaps one group felt one of those ways, but not the other? protesters relevant? military facility relevant? No to all. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 233 Registered: 11-2009 |
were the receivers subordinate to the givers? or vice versa? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1982 Registered: 5-2003 |
were the receivers subordinate to the givers? The most important giver was senior to pretty much everyone else involved, but it's really irrelevant. You may be getting off track. or vice versa? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2009 |
politicians involved? pilots and planes relevant? I'm grappling to stay on track... | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1983 Registered: 5-2003 |
politicians involved? No. pilots Yes. and planes But no. relevant? I'm grappling to stay on track... You're doing better. ;) | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 235 Registered: 11-2009 |
did this happen on a military installation? relevant where? if so, LTPF list of 50 states, please. were pilots givers or receivers? both? were all the receivers pilots? other aviators? had the receivers done anything of particular merit? that warranted such a gift? at least in the minds of the perpetrators? Is there a particular HAM of significance? Is he a giver? A receiver? Military? Civilian? Should I find out who he is? did it take place aboard a ship? on dry land? in a civilian area? were givers or receivers hung over? otherwise impaired/disabled? was the alcohol special in any way? (rare cognac, etc.) Or just a handy, festive beverage? Did the media pick up on it at the time? was it a big deal? did anyone suffer professional/career consequences? 25 ?, I think -- enjoy! | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1984 Registered: 5-2003 |
did this happen on a military installation? No. relevant where? Yes. if so, LTPF list of 50 states, please. None. It could be said that the gift was given in Florida, but was not received or opened there. were pilots givers or receivers? both? This. were all the receivers pilots? Yes. other aviators? had the receivers done anything of particular merit? Yes. that warranted such a gift? Yes. at least in the minds of the perpetrators? Yes. Is there a particular HAM of significance? Several, all receivers. Is he a giver? A receiver? This. Military? This. Civilian? Should I find out who he is? Not necessarily. All got 15 minutes of fame, and you have probably heard of at least one of them. did it take place aboard a ship? Yes. on dry land? No. in a civilian area? Noish. were givers or receivers hung over? otherwise impaired/disabled? Neither. was the alcohol special in any way? (rare cognac, etc.) Or just a handy, festive beverage? This. Did the media pick up on it at the time? was it a big deal? Not really. did anyone suffer professional/career consequences? No. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2009 |
anything to do with NASA? did it take place aboard a spaceship? Mercury relevant? Apollo relevant? I recall one of the pre-lunar-landing missions was around Christmastime... other astronauts relevant? test pilots relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1985 Registered: 5-2003 |
anything to do with NASA? Yes. did it take place aboard a spaceship? Yes. Mercury relevant? Apollo relevant? Yes. I recall one of the pre-lunar-landing missions was around Christmastime... Got it. To finish the puzzle, all you have to do now is answer the question posed in the original puzzler. other astronauts relevant? The givers may have been astronauts. test pilots relevant? Two of the astronauts involved in this incident were test pilots, and it could be said they were doing a "test run." Other than that, not really. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 242 Registered: 11-2009 |
is Apollo 8 relevant? did one of the astronauts smuggle brandy aboard? was the alcohol part of their astronaut rations? TANG is an excellent mixer when you're in outer space and there's no tonic, I'm told. were they permitted to consume it? bus drivers with whisky on their breath is bad enough; don't know if I want astronauts imbibing... Involved astronauts:Frank Borman? Jim Lovell? sorry, don't remember the third fellow... | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1986 Registered: 5-2003 |
is Apollo 8 relevant? Yep. did one of the astronauts smuggle brandy aboard? Not one of the crew, but Deke Slayton, head of the astronaut office, was probably involved somehow. was the alcohol part of their astronaut rations? Yes. were they permitted to consume it? No. Involved astronauts:Frank Borman? Jim Lovell? sorry, don't remember the third fellow... The third is Bill Anders. SPOILER ***************************** The crew of Apollo 8, the first manned flight to the Moon, found three tiny bottles of champagne in their rations for December 25, 1968. Which, for obvious reasons, they did not drink. |
