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Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Because of his scrund, most of his effort was wasted.
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His = his = your grandfather's?

A lifelong effort? Did he want to achieve some goal? If so, was the goal tangible or rather intangible?

Is the scrund related to the time he lived in? To the country he lived in? To his age? To the fact he was male?
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His = his = your grandfather's? Yes.

A lifelong effort? Not that long. Did he want to achieve some goal? Yes. If so, was the goal tangible or rather intangible? Intangible.

Is the scrund related to the time he lived in? To the country he lived in? Yesish to both. To his age? To the fact he was male? No to the rest.
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Are you positive/can we reasonably assume there were more people with the same scrund at your great-grandfather's time? In his country (I assume it was Sweden?)

Is it likely there will be people with the same scrund nowadays? If so, would there be more/less of them?

Did the scrund relate to the education/upbringing of his offspring? His work?
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Are you positive/can we reasonably assume there were more people with the same scrund at your great-grandfather's time? In his country (I assume it was Sweden?) Sweden it is. Other people probably had this scrund at the time, but it's unlikely they went through the same thing as Great-Granpa because of it.

Is it likely there will be people with the same scrund nowadays? If so, would there be more/less of them? This belief would not have a chance to develop into a scrund nowadays.

Did the scrund relate to the education/upbringing of his offspring? His work? Neither.
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Religion relevant? Politics? Natural sciences? Supranatural elements?
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Religion relevant? Politics? Natural sciences? Supranatural elements? Neither.
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Superstitions? Education? Finance?
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Superstitions? Education? This is relevant. Finance?
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General literacy? Or some specific kind of education?

School relevant?

Are there any other people relevant to the puzzle?
Does the scrund relate to your GGF himself/another person/an object?
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General literacy? Or some specific kind of education? Specific education. Literacy is elevant.

School relevant? No.

Are there any other people relevant to the puzzle? No.
Does the scrund relate to your GGF himself/another person/an object? My GGF had the scrund, it was about something specific, but not about to himself or another person or an object.
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About an idea? A principle? A process?

Specific education - as subject specific? Or rather high school/university education
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About an idea? A principle? A process? Neither - idea or principle is closer but not really close.

Specific education - as subject specific? This. Or rather high school/university education
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Is it education or rather a skill?
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Is it education or rather a skill? It's an education, but a skill is involved.
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Does it involve complex professional training (eg to become a blacksmith, a fisherman etc.)? Or is it something simpler?
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Does it involve complex professional training (eg to become a blacksmith, a fisherman etc.)? Or is it something simpler? Something simpler.
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was your GGF an academic? an educator? did he work in an academic environment?
was he a tradesman?
did he work with wood? stone? metal? earth? water? plants? food? information?
was he a laborer? an entrepreneur? a financier? a clerk? a bureaucrat? a merchant? a craftsman? an engineer? a scientist? a philosopher? a doctor?
a seaman? a fisherman? idle and rich? an artisan?
was he a guildsman; i.e., trained in and belonging to a guild?
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was your GGF an academic? an educator? did he work in an academic environment? If he was any of the above, he would probably not have had this scrund.
was he a tradesman?
did he work with wood? stone? metal? earth? water? plants? food? information?
was he a laborer? an entrepreneur? a financier? a clerk? a bureaucrat? a merchant? a craftsman? an engineer? a scientist? a philosopher? a doctor?
a seaman? a fisherman? idle and rich? an artisan?
was he a guildsman; i.e., trained in and belonging to a guild?
My GGP was a farmer (not really relevant, but may help in framing the puzzle), his scrund and what happened is not related to farming in any way.
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was his scrund related to an avocation or hobby?
to expression of religious beliefs? his own, or others?
[missed the "school relevant?" Q/A up near the top, and covered old ground with my academic questions...]
[a farmer? I'm intrigued - what did he grow? grain? potatoes? root crops? fruits?]
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was his scrund related to an a vocation or hobby? He was doing this in his spare time, it could be described as an interest or possibly a hobby.
to expression of religious beliefs? his own, or others? No, religion is not involved.
[a farmer? I'm intrigued - what did he grow? grain? potatoes? root crops? fruits?] All of the above, I believe - and cows, pigs, chicken, sheep and horses.
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did he write poetry? short stories? essays? novels?
was he a chronicler of some other sort? (i.e., kept a logbook of weather, etc.)
did his scrund involve his own writing? writing of others?
or was his "hobby" some other creative endeavor? painting? sculpture? interpretive dance? (not making fun of your ancestor...)
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did he write poetry? short stories? essays? novels?
was he a chronicler of some other sort? (i.e., kept a logbook of weather, etc.) None of the above is relevant.
did his scrund involve his own writing? writing of others? Writing of others is involved.
or was his "hobby" some other creative endeavor? painting? sculpture? interpretive dance? (not making fun of your ancestor...) Haha, no neither - and small FA.
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Oh, it was not HIS hobby, was it?

If not, was anyone of the family involved? Any specific person?
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Are different languages involved here, or just (I assume) Swedish?

Did he want to read something, but thought he couldn't?
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Oh, it was not HIS hobby, was it? It was his - the FA is something else.

If not, was anyone of the family involved? Any specific person? No.

Are different languages involved here, or just (I assume) Swedish? Yes, different languages are indeed involved.

Did he want to read something, but thought he couldn't? No.
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Religion involved? Latin?
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Religion involved? Religion is still not invovled ;-) Latin? No.
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/LTPF list of languages/?
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/LTPF list of languages/? English.
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was his hobby an endeavor that wasn't creative, such as birdwatching?
is the relevant written material in English?
is it from a source dedicated to pursuit of his hobby?
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was his hobby an endeavor that wasn't creative, Correct. such as birdwatching? <b<but>
is the relevant written material in English? Indeed.
is it from a source dedicated to pursuit of his hobby? (For svv of hobby) I'm not sure, but for the sake of the puzzle I'll assume no.
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is the relevant English writing found in a periodical? in correspondence? in a novel? volume of poetry? in a manual? other reference book?
hobby: did it involve collection or accumulation of something? physical activity, like sport or hiking?
goal: did he want to achieve something as part of his hobby? some round number of ______ (folding a thousand cranes, for example)? some other completion? breaking a record?
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is the relevant English writing found in a periodical? in correspondence? in a novel? volume of poetry? in a manual? other reference book? Anywhere.
hobby: did it involve collection or accumulation of something? No. physical activity, like sport or hiking? No.
goal: did he want to achieve something as part of his hobby? Yes. some round number of ______ (folding a thousand cranes, for example)? No.some other completion? No. breaking a record? No.
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is the relevant English writing found on a sign, like a road sign? a stop sign?
is it a scrund about writing, and not aural (such as mishearing a word, and mistaking it for another?)
is the [r.E.w.] a proper noun?
more than one word? a proper noun contained in a sentence?
is it a sentence? an idiom? a paragraph?
did his hobby involve a destination? was his goal to arrive there?
was his hobby a personal pursuit, or did he share it with others?
if others, did they share his goal? or have other, similar goals? completely different goals?
was his scrund related to his misunderstanding of an English word or phrase?
was it related to something he was taught? perhaps something simple, such as how to bait a fishhook?
was he ever aware that he'd had the scrund, or did he carry his misconception to the end?
if aware, was he embittered by it? did he laugh it off? did he feel silly? [perhaps irr, but your GFF is shaping up to be an interesting fellow...]
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is the relevant English writing found on a sign, like a road sign? a stop sign? No.
is it a scrund about writing, and not aural (such as mishearing a word, and mistaking it for another?) both written and spoken language is invovled in the scrund.
is the [r.E.w.] a proper noun?
more than one word? a proper noun contained in a sentence?
is it a sentence? an idiom? a paragraph? All English writing is relevant.
did his hobby involve a destination? was his goal to arrive there? Neither.
was his hobby a personal pursuit, or did he share it with others? Personal.
if others, did they share his goal? or have other, similar goals? completely different goals? So n/a.
was his scrund related to his misunderstanding of an English word or phrase? There is a misunderstanding about English, but no specific word or phrase.
was it related to something he was taught? No. perhaps something simple, such as how to bait a fishhook? Nothing like that.
was he ever aware that he'd had the scrund, or did he carry his misconception to the end? He became aware of it.
if aware, was he embittered by it? Possibly. did he laugh it off? I don't think so. did he feel silly? Definitely.
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is his scrund regarding the relationship of English (the language) to the English (the people)? to England?
was his hobby (or personal interest) related to natural activities (i.e., nature)? to the activities of others?
devoted to art? to industry? to agriculture? to personal development? to family? to literature?
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is his scrund regarding the relationship of English (the language) This. to the English (the people)? to England? No, to something else.
was his hobby (or personal interest) related to natural activities (i.e., nature)? to the activities of others? Neither.
devoted to art? to industry? to agriculture? to personal development? This. to family? to literature?
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his personal development in his spare time:
was it spiritual development? physical? mental?
was he devoted to learning languages? increasing fluency?
was his scrund regarding the relationship of the English language to other languages? To Swedish?
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his personal development in his spare time:
was it spiritual development? physical? mental? This.
was he devoted to learning languages? This. increasing fluency? And this.
was his scrund regarding the relationship of the English language to other languages? To Swedish? Exactly!
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did your GGF assume English was a parent language to Swedish?
did he feel that learning English would improve his Swedish?
did he apply English syntax when speaking Swedish? vice versa?
[I have no idea how they differ, and although I've heard some Finnish, Danish, and Norwegian - enough to maybe recognize them - I can't say I'm at all familiar with Swedish.]
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did your GGF assume English was a parent language to Swedish? No.
did he feel that learning English would improve his Swedish? No.
did he apply English syntax when speaking Swedish? vice versa? This - pronunciation to be precise.

********SPOILER********
My Great-Granpa had decided he would teach himself to speak English, and read and studied until he though he knew it. Then one day he met an Englishman, and to his great astonishment and irritation neither could understand a word the other was saying. He had never considered that English is pronounced much differently from Swedish, which led to his accent becoming so thick as to be unintelligible.
It didn't help that he was from southern Sweden (Småland, for those curious), where they speak a quite thick Swedish dialect to begin with.
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nice puzzle. It began to appear that he had made some assumptions about English -- but then, I get the impression that most people have made assumptions -- almost as your GGF had, but I'm talking about native speakers! (okay, Americans) -- based on the slipshod deployment of the apostrophe, among other things.
Thanks for a fun one.

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