| Author | Message | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 576 Registered: 5-2009 |
Chaos broke out. "Oh sorry, I forgot I'm a woman." | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1471 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the speaker really a woman? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 577 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the speaker really a woman? No. Except for svv of "really". | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1472 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the speaker a man? A transsexual? If so, is he/she M to F? F to M? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 282 Registered: 11-2009 |
role-playing relevant? is the speaker an actor? [M or F; "actress" has been deprecated, I'm told, and about time...] was the speaker's forgetfulness responsible for the chaos breaking out? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 578 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the speaker a man? Yes. A transsexual? No. If so, is he/she M to F? F to M? NA. role-playing relevant? No. is the speaker an actor? No. [M or F; "actress" has been deprecated, I'm told, and about time...] was the speaker's forgetfulness responsible for the chaos breaking out? Yes. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 579 Registered: 5-2009 |
As for role-playing: He plays a certain role in the situation, but I wouldn't consider this role-playing. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 818 Registered: 10-2008 |
Is something being acted out for non-play purposes? Police involved? Is he "playing" a woman? A certain woman? When he forgot he's a woman, did he do something un-feminine? Something fundamentally male (ex, peeing standing up)? Is his manner of dress involved? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 580 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is something being acted out for non-play purposes? No. Police involved? No. Is he "playing" a woman? Yes. A certain woman? No. When he forgot he's a woman, did he do something un-feminine? No. Well, he did something which, in that particular situation, was wrong because he was a woman. Something fundamentally male (ex, peeing standing up)? No. Is his manner of dress involved? No. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1063 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is he at a fancy dress party? Did the people around him think he was a woman? Did they know he was a man playing a woman? He did something that was wrong because he was a woman? by wrong, do you mean legally wrong? something socially unacceptable? something that would be impossible for a woman to do? Period relevant? if so, 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? earlier? Country relevant? if so, LTPF list of countries | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 584 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is he at a fancy dress party? No. Did the people around him think he was a woman? No. Did they know he was a man playing a woman? Yes. He did something that was wrong because he was a woman? Yes. by wrong, do you mean legally wrong? something socially unacceptable? something that would be impossible for a woman to do? But nothing of these. Period relevant? if so, 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? earlier? Country relevant? if so, LTPF list of countries | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1477 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did he act against a habit (ie did something what is not wrong per se, but a women is not likely to do)? Did it involve clothing? body parts? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 585 Registered: 5-2009 |
Period relevant? if so, 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? earlier? Think of 20th or 21st century. It would probably work in the 19th and 18th century (and earlier if you force it) but as circumstances change some answers would change. Country relevant? The UK is in some way relevant but not necessarily as the location where the puzzle takes place. This may be in many countries. if so, LTPF list of countries | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 586 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he act against a habit (ie did something what is not wrong per se, but a women is not likely to do)? Yope. It depends on the very particular situation. This may be worth exploring. Did it involve clothing? No. body parts? Noish. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1065 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does this take place indoors? outdoors? How many people were present when he did this thing? 5? 10? 50? 100? 200? 500? 1000? more? Were they his friends? family? colleagues? acquaintances? strangers? What kind of chaos was it? Did they laugh? were they shocked? horrified? panicked? disapproving? amused? Is he the only one acting a role? Is he playing a woman for fun? for monetary gain? for artistic purposes? for a political cause? religious cause? some other cause? If a woman today were to do what he did on the street, would chaos ensue? His manner of dress is not involved? but is he actually dressed like a woman? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 587 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does this take place indoors? This. outdoors? How many people were present when he did this thing? 5? 10? More than 5 but probably less than 50. 10 would be OK. 50? 100? 200? 500? 1000? more? Were they his friends? This. family? colleagues? acquaintances? And this. strangers? What kind of chaos was it? Well, what you ask for is more the reaction to the chaos. Did they laugh? Probably, I certainly hope so. were they shocked? horrified? panicked? disapproving? Maybe a bit. amused? Probably. Is he the only one acting a role? He is not really "acting" a role, rephrase. Is he playing a woman for fun? Yes. for monetary gain? No. for artistic purposes? Noish or Yope. for a political cause? No. religious cause? No. some other cause? No. If a woman today were to do what he did on the street, would chaos ensue? Well, even if she did the right thing instead, it might block the traffic... His manner of dress is not involved? but is he actually dressed like a woman? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 588 Registered: 5-2009 |
Oops - I somehow keep forgetting to answer part of the questions... His manner of dress is not involved? Indeed. but is he actually dressed like a woman? No. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1068 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ah, so the chaos doesn't refer to their reaction to the thing that he did? Did he knock something over? cause something to break? Is it important to know exactly where they were? Would any room work? Say his living room for instance? How about an empty room? (empty apart from him and his friends/acquaintances of course) Hmm, so he's not dressed like a woman.. does he speak in a higher voice? walk in a stereotypically feminine way? say things he thinks a woman would say? "even if she did the right thing instead, it might block the traffic": so there's one right thing and one wrong thing that could be done in this situation? this thing he does is a reaction to something then? is it a response to something someone says? something someone does? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1069 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the title relevant? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 589 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the title relevant? Yes. Difficult line of attack, however. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1071 Registered: 3-2006 |
I think you missed a post.. =) | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 285 Registered: 11-2009 |
did he walk into the women's restroom? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 593 Registered: 5-2009 |
I think you missed a post.. =) Just skipping questions just isn't enough fun any more. Ah, so the chaos doesn't refer to their reaction to the thing that he did? Their initial reactions helped cause the chaos. The kinds of reactions you describe follow the chaos. Did he knock something over? No, but... cause something to break? No. Is it important to know exactly where they were? No, but certain characteristics of the room will help. Would any room work? No. Say his living room for instance? Possibly, but this would be an unusual place. How about an empty room? This might be a more usual place. (empty apart from him and his friends/acquaintances of course) And one thing or another they bring to the empty room. Hmm, so he's not dressed like a woman.. does he speak in a higher voice? No. walk in a stereotypically feminine way? No, but... say things he thinks a woman would say? No or irrelevant. "even if she did the right thing instead, it might block the traffic": so there's one right thing and one wrong thing that could be done in this situation? There are many ways to get it wrong - and sometimes several ones to get it right. this thing he does is a reaction to something then? In some way. is it a response to something someone says? Not a response although something someone said may be important for the situation. something someone does? This is close. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1076 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he fall over? Did anyone fall over? Did anything fall over? The chaos: was there a lot of noise? caused by the people? caused by objects? a lot of movement? caused by the people? by objects? Is it relevant why they are gathered in this room? Is it a meeting? Are they part of a club? For how long does he play at being a woman? (LTPF list of numbers)minutes/hours? "one thing or another they bring to the empty room": would each of them have to bring an object? the same object? If he had been a real woman and had done this thing, would chaos have broken out? If he had just been himself, a man acting as a man, and had done this thing, would chaos have broken out? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 596 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he fall over? Possibly. Did anyone fall over? Possibly. Did anything fall over? No. The chaos: was there a lot of noise? Not as part of the chaos. caused by the people? caused by objects? a lot of movement? Yes. caused by the people? This. by objects? Is it relevant why they are gathered in this room? Yes. Is it a meeting? They meet in the room, but I wouldn't call it a meeting. Are they part of a club? This is very well possible. For how long does he play at being a woman? (LTPF list of numbers)minutes/hours? 1 to 5 minutes (maybe a bit more, but surely less than 10 minutes) depending on what point chaos breaks out. "one thing or another they bring to the empty room": would each of them have to bring an object? No. the same object? NA. If he had been a real woman and had done this thing, would chaos have broken out? Probably. If he had just been himself, a man acting as a man, and had done this thing, would chaos have broken out? No for one definition of "this thing", he couldn't have done so for another definition. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1079 Registered: 3-2006 |
The movement: did the people rush towards him? away from him? towards each other? towards a certain object? Did they move in order to prevent something from happening? Were they playing a game? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 599 Registered: 5-2009 |
The movement: did the people rush towards him? away from him? towards each other? Any or all of these. towards a certain object? No. Did they move in order to prevent something from happening? Yes. Were they playing a game? No, but OTRT. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 287 Registered: 11-2009 |
I'm still curious: did he walk into a women's restroom? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 589 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was he playing (in whatever sense appropriate) a generic woman? or a particular one? a female celebrity? Does the playing involve carrying out/imitating gestures/mannerisms? saying something? putting on certain clothing? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 600 Registered: 5-2009 |
I'm still curious: did he walk into a women's restroom? No. Was he playing (in whatever sense appropriate) a generic woman? This. or a particular one? a female celebrity? Does the playing involve carrying out/imitating gestures/mannerisms? Gestures is closest but still not right. saying something? {Normally not.} putting on certain clothing? No. He may wear special clothing but not because he plays a woman. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1084 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ooh, he wears special clothing? Do the other people wear special clothing too? Are his friends/acquaintances ham? haf? their gender relevant? If I were to wear this special clothing and walk about town, would I attract strange looks? They moved in order to prevent something from happening to them? to him? to prevent an accident? So, he has to play a woman without saying anything? I'm thinking charades but you say it's not a game... =( Hmmm. Is it an exercise of some sort? a practice? Is there a particular characteristic about these people that we should know? Do they have some sort of disability? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 167 Registered: 8-2009 |
Was the chaos playful? Serious? Dangerous? Could the same kind of chaos have happened if a woman played she was a man? Or could this chaos only be caused by a woman? Or woman playing a man? Were the others in the room sitting? Standing? Relevant? Music relevant? How did the others know he was playing a woman? Did he tell everyone he was going to play a woman? Or did he just do it and they noticed it? Was it part of a game? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 602 Registered: 5-2009 |
Ooh, he wears special clothing? Possibly Do the other people wear special clothing too? Possibly. Are his friends/acquaintances ham? haf? H, A or almost A, M and F mixed. their gender relevant? Somewhat. If I were to wear this special clothing and walk about town, would I attract strange looks? There are two possible kinds of "special clothing". For the first one: No, it is unremarkable. For the second one: People would look at you, some of them strangely. They moved in order to prevent something from happening to them? This. to him? And this. to prevent an accident? No. So, he has to play a woman without saying anything? Yesish. "Play" isn't really a good description but I doubt there is a better one (except of "be" which he uses. I'm thinking charades but you say it's not a game... =( Hmmm. No charades. Is it an exercise of some sort? Maybe kind of. a practice? Maybe. Is there a particular characteristic about these people that we should know? No. Do they have some sort of disability? No. Was the chaos playful? Somewhat. Serious? Somewhat. Not really a problem however. Dangerous? Not at all. Could the same kind of chaos have happened if a woman played she was a man? Yes. Or could this chaos only be caused by a woman? No. Or woman playing a man? The answer is still yes. Were the others in the room sitting? Standing? Standing and moving. Relevant? Yes. Music relevant? Yes. How did the others know he was playing a woman? Did he tell everyone he was going to play a woman? No. Or did he just do it and they noticed it? Yesish. Was it part of a game? Not a game, but... | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 603 Registered: 5-2009 |
Walk about town in special clothing: There are towns where you wouldn't be very noticeable in the second kind of special clothing. Some people might still look but not strangely. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 631 Registered: 6-2003 |
Dancing relevant? Did he take the woman's part in a tango? and at some point he forgot and made a step forward? lead his male partner into the wrong direction? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 604 Registered: 5-2009 |
Dancing relevant? YES. Did he take the woman's part in a tango? He did take a woman's part, but not in a tango. and at some point he forgot and made a step forward? Something of that kind. He made wrong steps. lead his male partner into the wrong direction? Possibly. | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 168 Registered: 8-2009 |
Did the chaos happen because he did a dancing move that he shouldn't have done as a woman? So he danced with a guy? Were they just dancing before the chaos? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 590 Registered: 6-2008 |
Square dancing maybe (given the title)? | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 99 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is this a contra dance? English country dancing? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 606 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is this a contra dance? English country dancing? Almost that. Time for a ==== SPOILER ==== It's Scottish country dancing, and the group doing it consists of more men than women. So one of the guys has to dance as a woman. Unfortunately he forgets this during the dance so he goes into the wrong direction (possibly also leading a partner there). Some other dancers in the set try to push him back on track, but others are now confused, too, and soon enough the set breaks apart (chaos breaks out) and the sentence is spoken. The title refers to the usual notation in drawings coming with dance instructions or "Pilling" diagrams of whole dances. As the foreword of Book 1 of the (R)SCDS says: "In this and succeding diagrams the women are described by squares and the men by circles". So a man dancing as a woman would be the squaring of a circle. |
