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Markobr (Markobr)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chaos broke out.

"Oh sorry, I forgot I'm a woman."
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Is the speaker really a woman?
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Is the speaker really a woman? No. Except for svv of "really".
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Is the speaker a man? A transsexual? If so, is he/she M to F? F to M?
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role-playing relevant?
is the speaker an actor? [M or F; "actress" has been deprecated, I'm told, and about time...]
was the speaker's forgetfulness responsible for the chaos breaking out?
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Is the speaker a man? Yes. A transsexual? No. If so, is he/she M to F? F to M? NA.

role-playing relevant? No.
is the speaker an actor? No. [M or F; "actress" has been deprecated, I'm told, and about time...]
was the speaker's forgetfulness responsible for the chaos breaking out? Yes.
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As for role-playing: He plays a certain role in the situation, but I wouldn't consider this role-playing.
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Is something being acted out for non-play purposes? Police involved? Is he "playing" a woman? A certain woman?

When he forgot he's a woman, did he do something un-feminine? Something fundamentally male (ex, peeing standing up)? Is his manner of dress involved?
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Is something being acted out for non-play purposes? No. Police involved? No. Is he "playing" a woman? Yes. A certain woman? No.

When he forgot he's a woman, did he do something un-feminine? No. Well, he did something which, in that particular situation, was wrong because he was a woman. Something fundamentally male (ex, peeing standing up)? No. Is his manner of dress involved? No.
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Is he at a fancy dress party? Did the people around him think he was a woman? Did they know he was a man playing a woman?

He did something that was wrong because he was a woman? by wrong, do you mean legally wrong? something socially unacceptable? something that would be impossible for a woman to do?

Period relevant? if so, 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? earlier?

Country relevant? if so, LTPF list of countries
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Is he at a fancy dress party? No. Did the people around him think he was a woman? No. Did they know he was a man playing a woman? Yes.

He did something that was wrong because he was a woman? Yes. by wrong, do you mean legally wrong? something socially unacceptable? something that would be impossible for a woman to do? But nothing of these.

Period relevant? if so, 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? earlier?

Country relevant? if so, LTPF list of countries
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Did he act against a habit (ie did something what is not wrong per se, but a women is not likely to do)?

Did it involve clothing? body parts?
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Period relevant? if so, 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? earlier? Think of 20th or 21st century. It would probably work in the 19th and 18th century (and earlier if you force it) but as circumstances change some answers would change.

Country relevant? The UK is in some way relevant but not necessarily as the location where the puzzle takes place. This may be in many countries. if so, LTPF list of countries
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Did he act against a habit (ie did something what is not wrong per se, but a women is not likely to do)? Yope. It depends on the very particular situation. This may be worth exploring.

Did it involve clothing? No. body parts? Noish.
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Does this take place indoors? outdoors? How many people were present when he did this thing? 5? 10? 50? 100? 200? 500? 1000? more?
Were they his friends? family? colleagues? acquaintances? strangers?

What kind of chaos was it? Did they laugh? were they shocked? horrified? panicked? disapproving? amused?

Is he the only one acting a role? Is he playing a woman for fun? for monetary gain? for artistic purposes? for a political cause? religious cause? some other cause?

If a woman today were to do what he did on the street, would chaos ensue?

His manner of dress is not involved? but is he actually dressed like a woman?
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Does this take place indoors? This. outdoors? How many people were present when he did this thing? 5? 10? More than 5 but probably less than 50. 10 would be OK. 50? 100? 200? 500? 1000? more?
Were they his friends? This. family? colleagues? acquaintances? And this. strangers?

What kind of chaos was it? Well, what you ask for is more the reaction to the chaos. Did they laugh? Probably, I certainly hope so. were they shocked? horrified? panicked? disapproving? Maybe a bit. amused? Probably.

Is he the only one acting a role? He is not really "acting" a role, rephrase. Is he playing a woman for fun? Yes. for monetary gain? No. for artistic purposes? Noish or Yope. for a political cause? No. religious cause? No. some other cause? No.

If a woman today were to do what he did on the street, would chaos ensue? Well, even if she did the right thing instead, it might block the traffic...

His manner of dress is not involved? but is he actually dressed like a woman?
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Oops - I somehow keep forgetting to answer part of the questions...

His manner of dress is not involved? Indeed. but is he actually dressed like a woman? No.
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Ah, so the chaos doesn't refer to their reaction to the thing that he did?
Did he knock something over? cause something to break?
Is it important to know exactly where they were? Would any room work? Say his living room for instance? How about an empty room? (empty apart from him and his friends/acquaintances of course)

Hmm, so he's not dressed like a woman.. does he speak in a higher voice? walk in a stereotypically feminine way? say things he thinks a woman would say?

"even if she did the right thing instead, it might block the traffic": so there's one right thing and one wrong thing that could be done in this situation? this thing he does is a reaction to something then? is it a response to something someone says? something someone does?
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Is the title relevant?
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Is the title relevant? Yes. Difficult line of attack, however.
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I think you missed a post.. =)
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did he walk into the women's restroom?
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I think you missed a post.. =) Just skipping questions just isn't enough fun any more.

Ah, so the chaos doesn't refer to their reaction to the thing that he did? Their initial reactions helped cause the chaos. The kinds of reactions you describe follow the chaos.
Did he knock something over? No, but... cause something to break? No.
Is it important to know exactly where they were? No, but certain characteristics of the room will help. Would any room work? No. Say his living room for instance? Possibly, but this would be an unusual place. How about an empty room? This might be a more usual place. (empty apart from him and his friends/acquaintances of course) And one thing or another they bring to the empty room.

Hmm, so he's not dressed like a woman.. does he speak in a higher voice? No. walk in a stereotypically feminine way? No, but... say things he thinks a woman would say? No or irrelevant.

"even if she did the right thing instead, it might block the traffic": so there's one right thing and one wrong thing that could be done in this situation? There are many ways to get it wrong - and sometimes several ones to get it right. this thing he does is a reaction to something then? In some way. is it a response to something someone says? Not a response although something someone said may be important for the situation. something someone does? This is close.
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Did he fall over? Did anyone fall over? Did anything fall over?

The chaos: was there a lot of noise? caused by the people? caused by objects? a lot of movement? caused by the people? by objects?

Is it relevant why they are gathered in this room? Is it a meeting? Are they part of a club? For how long does he play at being a woman? (LTPF list of numbers)minutes/hours?

"one thing or another they bring to the empty room": would each of them have to bring an object? the same object?

If he had been a real woman and had done this thing, would chaos have broken out? If he had just been himself, a man acting as a man, and had done this thing, would chaos have broken out?
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Did he fall over? Possibly. Did anyone fall over? Possibly. Did anything fall over? No.

The chaos: was there a lot of noise? Not as part of the chaos. caused by the people? caused by objects? a lot of movement? Yes. caused by the people? This. by objects?

Is it relevant why they are gathered in this room? Yes. Is it a meeting? They meet in the room, but I wouldn't call it a meeting. Are they part of a club? This is very well possible. For how long does he play at being a woman? (LTPF list of numbers)minutes/hours? 1 to 5 minutes (maybe a bit more, but surely less than 10 minutes) depending on what point chaos breaks out.

"one thing or another they bring to the empty room": would each of them have to bring an object? No. the same object? NA.

If he had been a real woman and had done this thing, would chaos have broken out? Probably. If he had just been himself, a man acting as a man, and had done this thing, would chaos have broken out? No for one definition of "this thing", he couldn't have done so for another definition.
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The movement: did the people rush towards him? away from him? towards each other? towards a certain object? Did they move in order to prevent something from happening?

Were they playing a game?
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The movement: did the people rush towards him? away from him? towards each other? Any or all of these. towards a certain object? No. Did they move in order to prevent something from happening? Yes.

Were they playing a game? No, but OTRT.
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I'm still curious:
did he walk into a women's restroom?
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Was he playing (in whatever sense appropriate) a generic woman? or a particular one? a female celebrity?

Does the playing involve carrying out/imitating gestures/mannerisms? saying something? putting on certain clothing?
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I'm still curious:
did he walk into a women's restroom? No.

Was he playing (in whatever sense appropriate) a generic woman? This. or a particular one? a female celebrity?

Does the playing involve carrying out/imitating gestures/mannerisms? Gestures is closest but still not right. saying something? {Normally not.} putting on certain clothing? No. He may wear special clothing but not because he plays a woman.
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Ooh, he wears special clothing? Do the other people wear special clothing too? Are his friends/acquaintances ham? haf? their gender relevant?
If I were to wear this special clothing and walk about town, would I attract strange looks?

They moved in order to prevent something from happening to them? to him? to prevent an accident?

So, he has to play a woman without saying anything? I'm thinking charades but you say it's not a game... =( Hmmm. Is it an exercise of some sort? a practice?

Is there a particular characteristic about these people that we should know? Do they have some sort of disability?
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Was the chaos playful? Serious? Dangerous?

Could the same kind of chaos have happened if a woman played she was a man? Or could this chaos only be caused by a woman? Or woman playing a man?

Were the others in the room sitting? Standing? Relevant?

Music relevant?

How did the others know he was playing a woman? Did he tell everyone he was going to play a woman? Or did he just do it and they noticed it? Was it part of a game?
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Ooh, he wears special clothing? Possibly Do the other people wear special clothing too? Possibly. Are his friends/acquaintances ham? haf? H, A or almost A, M and F mixed. their gender relevant? Somewhat.
If I were to wear this special clothing and walk about town, would I attract strange looks? There are two possible kinds of "special clothing". For the first one: No, it is unremarkable. For the second one: People would look at you, some of them strangely.

They moved in order to prevent something from happening to them? This. to him? And this. to prevent an accident? No.

So, he has to play a woman without saying anything? Yesish. "Play" isn't really a good description but I doubt there is a better one (except of "be" which he uses. I'm thinking charades but you say it's not a game... =( Hmmm. No charades. Is it an exercise of some sort? Maybe kind of. a practice? Maybe.

Is there a particular characteristic about these people that we should know? No. Do they have some sort of disability? No.

Was the chaos playful? Somewhat. Serious? Somewhat. Not really a problem however. Dangerous? Not at all.

Could the same kind of chaos have happened if a woman played she was a man? Yes. Or could this chaos only be caused by a woman? No. Or woman playing a man? The answer is still yes.

Were the others in the room sitting? Standing? Standing and moving. Relevant? Yes.

Music relevant? Yes.

How did the others know he was playing a woman? Did he tell everyone he was going to play a woman? No. Or did he just do it and they noticed it? Yesish. Was it part of a game? Not a game, but...
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Walk about town in special clothing: There are towns where you wouldn't be very noticeable in the second kind of special clothing. Some people might still look but not strangely.
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Dancing relevant? Did he take the woman's part in a tango? and at some point he forgot and made a step forward? lead his male partner into the wrong direction?
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Dancing relevant? YES. Did he take the woman's part in a tango? He did take a woman's part, but not in a tango. and at some point he forgot and made a step forward? Something of that kind. He made wrong steps. lead his male partner into the wrong direction? Possibly.
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Did the chaos happen because he did a dancing move that he shouldn't have done as a woman? So he danced with a guy?

Were they just dancing before the chaos?
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Square dancing maybe (given the title)?
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Is this a contra dance? English country dancing?
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Is this a contra dance? English country dancing? Almost that. Time for a

==== SPOILER ====

It's Scottish country dancing, and the group doing it consists of more men than women. So one of the guys has to dance as a woman. Unfortunately he forgets this during the dance so he goes into the wrong direction (possibly also leading a partner there). Some other dancers in the set try to push him back on track, but others are now confused, too, and soon enough the set breaks apart (chaos breaks out) and the sentence is spoken.

The title refers to the usual notation in drawings coming with dance instructions or "Pilling" diagrams of whole dances. As the foreword of Book 1 of the (R)SCDS says: "In this and succeding diagrams the women are described by squares and the men by circles". So a man dancing as a woman would be the squaring of a circle.

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