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Lynne (Lynne)
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On another forum we were talking about what we collect, if indeed we do so. One person came up with the most unusual collection that most of us had ever heard of. Yet when she explained why, it made perfect sense. What did she collect?
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Does she collect tangible objects? Inanimate? Man-made? Solid? Liquid? Gaseous?
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Does she collect tangible objects? she has a box of them so, yes Inanimate? yes Man-made? yes Solid? yes with an ish Liquid? no Gaseous? no
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Are the objects made of something solid but soft (e.g. plasticine)? Are they solid but contain a liquid? A gas?

Is there an industrial production of objects of this sort? Can you typically buy such objects in a town of 20.000 people (in place, not per mail order, over the internet etc.)? In a city of 200.000 people? Would it be unusual to have one such object (or more) at home?
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Are the objects made of something solid but soft (e.g. plasticine)? Are they solid but contain a liquid? A gas? no to all

Is there an industrial production of objects of this sort? yes Can you typically buy such objects in a town of 20.000 people (in place, not per mail order, over the internet etc.)? yes In a city of 200.000 people? yes Would it be unusual to have one such object (or more) at home? no
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Would any of this type of object be worthy for her collection? Or is there something special with the ones she collect? Are they all different? All identical? From different time periods? Different manufacturers? Different places in the world? Are they the tabs off of soda cans (I heard about a charity making use of those)?
Can the collection ever be considered to be complete? Is the point of the collection to sell or give away the items? To do something useful with them? Or simply the collecting itself?
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Would any of this type of object be worthy for her collection? possibly Or is there something special with the ones she collect? no Are they all different? yes All identical? no From different time periods? very possibly Different manufacturers? yes for svv of manufacturers Different places in the world? quite possibly Are they the tabs off of soda cans (I heard about a charity making use of those)? no - some people used to make belts out of them in the 60s!
Can the collection ever be considered to be complete? no Is the point of the collection to sell or give away the items? no To do something useful with them? she wouldn't 'do' anything with them other than enjoy them Or simply the collecting itself? see above
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Does her enjoyment of the items come from: their intrinsic aesthetic value? memories linked to each object? An action that each object can accomplish? Something she does with the object?
Are they all different merely in the sense that, say, two wine bottle corks are different? or could another observer readily tell the difference?
If the latter, are they different in size? colour? shape?
Are they all made of the same material(s)?
Their size: postage stamp? matchbox? hand sized? shoe box? larger than any of these?
Is there any writing on these objects? On all of them? some of them? Is the writing different on each?
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Does her enjoyment of the items come from: their intrinsic aesthetic value? yes memories linked to each object? no An action that each object can accomplish? no Something she does with the object? no
Are they all different merely in the sense that, say, two wine bottle corks are different? yes or could another observer readily tell the difference? they would see the differences, too
If the latter, are they different in size? possibly colour? less interesting shape? yes
Are they all made of the same material(s)? more or less
Their size: postage stamp? this one matchbox? hand sized? shoe box? larger than any of these? no to rest
Is there any writing on these objects? yes On all of them? yes some of them? no, all of them Is the writing different on each? yes
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The writing on each object: individual letters? two or more letters, but not making a word? a single word? a phrase or sentence? longer than any of these? or a mixture of the foregoing?
Is the writing legible to the naked eye?
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The writing on each object: individual letters? two or more letters, but not making a word? a single word? this one a phrase or sentence? longer than any of these? or a mixture of the foregoing? no to all the others
Is the writing legible to the naked eye? yes
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Are the objects designed for a purpose (other than collecting)?

Are they from various parts of the world? Does the word on them designate this part (eg. a city).

Can you buy them separately? Or only as part of some other object?

A long shot in the dark: Thimbles?
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Are the objects designed for a purpose (other than collecting)? yes

Are they from various parts of the world? possibly Does the word on them designate this part (eg. a city). no

Can you buy them separately? no Or only as part of some other object? yes

A long shot in the dark: Thimbles? no
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Are they from one material?

The material: paper? fabric? wood? stone? metal?
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Are they from one material? no

The material: paper? yope fabric? wood? stone? metal?
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The material/s: Organic? Inorganic? Man made?
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The collector is a master criminal specialising in blackmail, and she collects cut out words from newspapers to produce exquisite ransom demands : - )

Are the objects collected as found? or does she have to prepare them in some way? wash them? cut out the required part of a larger object? is the subsequent arrangement of the objects relevant?
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The material/s: Organic? Inorganic? Man made? mixture

The collector is a master criminal specialising in blackmail, no and she collects cut out words from newspapers yes to produce exquisite ransom demands no : - )

Are the objects collected as found? yes or does she have to prepare them in some way? wash them? cut out the required part of a larger object? this one is the subsequent arrangement of the objects relevant? no
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So it's a collection of words cut from newspapers? Only newspapers? A special newspaper? Special words? Or will any word do? Is any characteristic besides the word important? Like size? Font? Color?
Does she collect typos from newspapers?
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So it's a collection of words cut from newspapers? yes with beware a FA Only newspapers? no A special newspaper? no Special words? yes Or will any word do? no Is any characteristic besides the word important? yes Like size? possibly Font? yes Color? no
Does she collect typos from newspapers? no
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Are the words names? of people?

Is the reason for the collection linked to her profession? or linked to a hobby of hers (for example, calligraphy)
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Are the words names? of people? no to both

Is the reason for the collection linked to her profession? yes or linked to a hobby of hers (for example, calligraphy) no
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special words I answered with a yes, that should have been a yope
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Are the words attached to something else? A photograph, for example?

Are they from the text? Headlines? Relevant?
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Not typos: other kinds of mistakes relevant? If so: human error? Printing error? Is her profession linked to: publishing? Newspapers? Printing? Font design?
Is handwriting relevant?
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Are the words attached to something else? A photograph, for example? no

Are they from the text? possibly Headlines? possibly Relevant? not particularly

Not typos: other kinds of mistakes relevant? not at all If so: human error? Printing error? Is her profession linked to: publishing? quite likely Newspapers? maybe Printing? maybe not operating print machinery Font design? this one
Is handwriting relevant? no
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Is she collecting samples of the font(s) she designed, as found in various published materials?
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Is she collecting samples of the font(s) yes she designed no, as found in various published materials? yes

There is just one thing to find now - what precisely was she collecting?
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Relevant who designed the fonts? Is she collecting one or more specific fonts? A specific appearance (like the first use of a new font)? Its appearance in a specific place? Historical use of a font relevant? Development over time? Is the only relevant thing about the words that they are long enough to be a good sample of the font?
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Relevant who designed the fonts? no Is she collecting one or more specific fonts? no A specific appearance (like the first use of a new font)? no Its appearance in a specific place? no Historical use of a font relevant? possibly, she didn't say Development over time? possibly Is the only relevant thing about the words that they are long enough to be a good sample of the font? yope
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Is any font welcome in her collection? Does a specific letter have to be included in all samples? Is there something else important to the sample in addition to the font? Like the paper? Ink? Printing technology?
Would the word "Michigan" printed in Times New Roman with black ink on newspaper be qualified for her collection? If not, which of the above traits disqualify it? Or is some other trait important? Like font size?
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Do the collected words share a similar grammatical or graphical feature? For example, does she collect words with apostrophes? Words with a particular letter or group of letters? Words beginning with the same letter?
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Do the collected words share a similar grammatical or graphical feature? yes For example, does she collect words with apostrophes? no Words with a particular letter or group of letters? this is closest Words beginning with the same letter? they do
so close...just get rid of the FA
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Is any font welcome in her collection? yes Does a specific letter have to be included in all samples? yes... Is there something else important to the sample in addition to the font? yes Like the paper? Ink? Printing technology? nothing like that
Would the word "Michigan" printed in Times New Roman with black ink on newspaper be qualified for her collection? no If not, which of the above traits disqualify it?none of them Or is some other trait important? not a trait Like font size? not this
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I can't resist saying that the answer is staring you in the face
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Does the included letter have to be upper case? or only lower case? or is case unimportant?

Is it the same word in every case? or the same root word?
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Does the included letter have to be upper case? or only lower case? or is case unimportant? I doubt that case is relevant

Is it the same word in every case? YES or the same root word? no

So, the word - and don't invoke the LTPF list of all available words!
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OK... <gets>... is it a; aa; aal; aam; aandblom; aardvark?... (this could go on for a while : - )

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Is the word linked to her profession? such as 'font' itself? Have I used the word in any of my questions? Galfisk? You in your answers? Markobr? Alhucema?
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That should have read <gets_dictionary_out> but the compiler obviously interprets the <> as an instruction...
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OK... <gets>... is it a; aa; aal; aam; aandblom; aardvark?... (this could go on for a while : - ) LOL - not the best way to get to the word

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Is the word linked to her profession? not exclusively such as 'font' itself? no Have I used the word in any of my questions? yes indeed Galfisk? yes You in your answers? yes, and not only my answers Markobr? yes Alhucema? yes
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Did you use the word in the puzzle statement? Is it "collect" or "collection"?
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Is the word "the"? "on"? "of"?
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... the word 'word'?
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Did you use the word in the puzzle statement? yes Is it "collect" or "collection"? no

Is the word "the"? YES "on"? "of"?

******* SPOILER ***********

I've just gone back to her entry and see that I missed one or two parameters of her collection, but you still got there at a fair lick!
She collects the word “the”. She cuts it out from magazines and whatnot, mainly from titles and ads (not teeny tiny ones from within the text). - my mistake I'd forgotten she said not the tiny ones - She's a graphic designer, and just enjoys the wide variety of colors - oops, I forgot that colour was also relevant - and type styles.


Thank you one and all!

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