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Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 11:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The thieves needed a 30 minute train ride in order to finish the job

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The job = to steal something? to secure what was stolen before? to escape? to sell stolen goods? to make a plan for stealing something?

Are the thieves H? A? M? Are they really thieves? If so: professional ones?

They needed a train ride - but did they get what they needed? Did they (need to) go by train themselves? Someone else to go by train? Send something by train? Kind of train: regular passenger train? chartered passenger train? freight train? track maintenance train? Model railways relevant?

30 minute = half an hour?
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The job = to steal something? yes to secure what was stolen before? to escape? to sell stolen goods? to make a plan for stealing something? no to all

Are the thieves H? A? M? yes to all Are they really thieves? yes If so: professional ones? possibly, irrelevant

They needed a train ride - but did they get what they needed? yes Did they (need to) go by train themselves? somebody had to and it was them Someone else to go by train? but they could have sent somebody else if they'd wanted to Send something by train? no Kind of train: regular passenger train? yes chartered passenger train? freight train? track maintenance train? Model railways relevant? no to rest


30 minute = half an hour? yes
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Did they transport the stolen items on the train? Would this even have been possible, given what they were stealing?

Did they use the train to get to the location(s) in which they stole? Was there only a single theft that is relevant for the puzzle? or a series?
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Did they transport the stolen items on the train? yes Would this even have been possible, given what they were stealing? yes

Did they use the train to get to the location(s)yes to locations plural in which they stole? yes Was there only a single theft that is relevant for the puzzle? no or a series? yes for svv of series
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Did they steal money? Jewels? Relevant?
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Did they steal money? Jewels? no to both Relevant? yes
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Something which is usually stolen?

Did they steal in various locations? Does the train go through all these locations?

Did they use the train only for transporting the stolen items? Or to transport themselves to the place of crime?
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Something which is usually stolen? they're not unusual items and I guess that they do get stolen a lot, but in different circumstances

Did they steal in various locations? yes Does the train go through all these locations? yes, but not 'all'

Did they use the train only for transporting the stolen items? Or to transport themselves to the place of crime? this one
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Art? Antiques? soemthing technical like microchips?

Were the items stolen to order?
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Did they steal: on the train? On the train station? Near the train station? Svv of series = 2 thefts? 3?
Could a bus ride also have worked? How about car? Did they return to their point of origin with the stolen goods? Or leave them somewhere else?
If they had sent another person by train, would that person also be doing the stealing?
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Art? Antiques? soemthing technical like microchips? nothing like these

Were the items stolen to order? irrelevant

Did they steal: on the train? no On the train station? Near the train station? no to these Svv of series = 2 thefts?this one 3?
Could a bus ride also have worked? yes How about car? yes Did they return to their point of origin with the stolen goods? no Or leave them somewhere else? yes
If they had sent another person by train, would that person also be doing the stealing? yes
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Do they use just one train? Or several? If so, do all the trains have the same point of departure/arrival?
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Do they use just one train? yes or irrelevant Or several? If so, do all the trains have the same point of departure/arrival?
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Do they steal tangible objects? Or rather information?

How many places do they steal from? 1? 2? 5? 10?

You said they finish the job: does it mean they started it (did something relevant to it) earlier, possibly not on the train?
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Do they steal tangible objects? yes Or rather information? no

How many places do they steal from? 1? 2? at least this 5? 10?

You said they finish the job: does it mean they started it (did something relevant to it) earlier, yes possibly not on the train? no stealing goes on on the train
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Were the 2 thefts of the same kind of items?
Is the order of events something like this:
1. go from origin to location 1
2. steal something
3. go to location 2
4. steal something more
5. go to location 3
6. stash, sell or use stolen goods
7. job finished

Is point 5 the 30 minute train ride? Or is it at some other point? Spread over several points?
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Were the 2 thefts of the same kind of items?
Is the order of events something like this:
1. go from origin to location 1 yes
2. steal something yes
3. go to location 2 yes
4. steal something more yes
5. go to location 3 yes, but this is irrelevant
6. stash, sell or use stolen goods even though they undoubtedly did so
7. job finished this could be point 5 - for the purposes of the puzzle. Simply put, why did they need to steal in two locations?

Is point 5 the 30 minute train ride? no, that would be point 3 Or is it at some other point? Spread over several points?
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Did they steal the same kind of items in both locations? Or items in location 1 that helped with the theft in location 2? Like tools? Weapons? Other equipment? If it was the same kind of items in both locations: were there not enough items in any one location? Or were parts of the items stored separately?
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Did they steal the same kind of items in both locations? yes Or items in location 1 that helped with the theft in location 2? although this does apply Like tools? Weapons? Other equipment? but nothing like that If it was the same kind of items in both locations: were there not enough items in any one location? correct Or were parts of the items stored separately? yes, exactly
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Did they break in at location 1? 2? did the items from location 1 help getting into 2? If so by: force? Deception? Threat of violence?
Did they pretend to be delivery people delivering the items from location 1 to location 2?
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Did they break in at location 1? no 2? no did the items from location 1 help getting into 2? no If so by: force? Deception? Threat of violence? none of these aspects apply
Did they pretend to be delivery people delivering the items from location 1 to location 2? no
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Relevant how many items they stole at each location? Are the both locations of the same type? Are they: stores? Private homes? Warehouses? Offices? Construction sites? Factories? Relevant? Are they in cities? Both in the same city?
Are the thieves related to the locations? Such as being employees there?
Do they have to defeat/bypass: Employees? Guards? Dogs? Doors? Locks? Alarms? Other security systems? If so: is it the same in both places?
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Relevant how many items they stole at each location? however many they could comfortably carry Are the both locations of the same type? yes Are they: stores? yes Private homes? Warehouses? Offices? Construction sites? Factories? no to rest Relevant? yes Are they in cities? yes Both in the same city? no
Are the thieves related to the locations? Such as being employees there? no
Do they have to defeat/bypass: Employees? yes Guards? Dogs? Doors? Locks? Alarms? Other security systems? no to rest If so: is it the same in both places? yes
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Did they steal: clothes? Something they hid under their clothes? In their pockets? In something else? Were the items for sale in the stores? Was the theft done the same way in both stores?
Would having some of the items beforehand have helped in location 1 as well? In location 2, did the items from location 1 help: before the theft itself? during the act? Afterwards? Were employees shown the items from location 1?
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Did they steal: clothes? no Something they hid under their clothes? no In their pockets? no In something else? the story doesn't say what they used to carry the stolen goods Were the items for sale in the stores? yes Was the theft done the same way in both stores? yes
Would having some of the items beforehand have helped in location 1 as well? the word 'help' is inaccurate now. When I answered yes to an earlier q with this word it seemed helpful (sorry, no pun intended), but it's now leading to a false train of thought. They just needed to steal from both locations, it didn't matter whether they started with location 1 or location 2 as long as they went to both In location 2, did the items from location 1 help: before the theft itself? during the act? Afterwards? Were employees shown the items from location 1? definitely not
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Did they steal something particularly: valuable? Useful? Pretty? Tasty? They stole [object], could the store they stole form be called an [object]-store? Was their job to steal a certain amount of this object, which is why they had to go to another store when the first one didn't have enough?
Is each of the stolen objects smaller than a: pin head? Marble? Mouse? Cat? Accordion? Tuba? Washing machine?
Did they steal in total more than: 2? 5? 10? 50? 100? 1000?
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Did they steal something particularly: valuable? reasonably valuable Useful? yessish Pretty? some are Tasty? no They stole [object], could the store they stole form be called an [object]-store? yes Was their job to steal a certain amount of this object, which is why they had to go to another store when the first one didn't have enough? no
Is each of the stolen objects smaller than a: pin head? Marble? Mouse? Cat? between a mouse and a cat Accordion? Tuba? Washing machine?
Did they steal in total more than: 2? 5? 10? 14 in total - just checked the original story 50? 100? 1000?
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Stolen objects: electronics? Cell phones? Did they have any set criteria for when they'd stolen enough? Or was it just that the first store had very few of the item, so they were disappointed and decided to go to another store to steal more? Or did they know that neither store carried enough of the item, and planned the trip beforehand? Did they empty both stores for this item? Were they looking for a particular brand or model of the item? Such as iPhones?
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Stolen objects: electronics? Cell phones? no to both Did they have any set criteria for when they'd stolen enough? no, the stupid thieves went back to the first place and got recognised and caught Or was it just that the first store had very few of the item,no so they were disappointed and decided to go to another store to steal more? no Or did they know that neither store carried enough of the item, and planned the trip beforehand? it was planned beforehand, but not for that reason Did they empty both stores for this item? no, just seven in each store Were they looking for a particular brand or model of the item? they had to be specific in what they took, but I don't think they could have planned what exactly they would take beforehand Such as iPhones? no
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Was there a good reason why they took only 7 at each store? Was that the highest number they could smuggle out in one go? Were there seven thieves? If not, more than: 2? 3? 5? 10? Were they disguised? Or did they pretend to be normal customers?
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Was there a good reason why they took only 7 at each store? yes, but I guess they could have gone for 6 or 8 Was that the highest number they could smuggle out in one go? I'm guessing so Were there seven thieves? no If not, more than: 2? 3? 5? 10? Were they disguised? no Or did they pretend to be normal customers? yes
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Did they cross any border on their train journey?
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Did they cross any border on their train journey? yes, good question (but if you think you know it, then please email)
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I honestly don't know the solution so I'll keep going. Did they steal passports?
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I honestly don't know the solution so I'll keep going. fair enough - it's just that I saw it in a very public 'thing'. Did they steal passports? no
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So are they from the country where location 1 is? or location 2? Did they need the items stolen in location 1 to be allowed enter location 2?
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So are they from the country where location 1 is? irrelevant or location 2? it actually doesn't matter for the purposes of this puzzle, as long as they went to both locations. Did they need the items stolen in location 1 to be allowed enter location 2? no, nor vice versa
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Is what they stole legal in one of the locations but illegal in the other?
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Is what they stole legal in one of the locations but illegal in the other? no, not at all
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Is what they stole in one location required to make what they stole in the other location functional? To complete a set/pair?
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Is what they stole in one location required to make what they stole in the other location functional? yes To complete a set/pair? yes, a pair - good progress!
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Is it normal for the two items in the pair to be sold in different stores? Or had the first store simply run out of one half of the pair?

Do the two halves of the pair match each other exactly? Nearly match each other (such as right and left shoes)? Or are they quite different from one another?

When used, does part of one half of the pair fit inside part of the other one?
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Is it normal for the two items in the pair to be sold in different stores? no Or had the first store simply run out of one half of the pair? no

Do the two halves of the pair match each other exactly? no Nearly match each other yes (such as right and left shoes bingo!)? Or are they quite different from one another? no

When used, does part of one half of the pair fit inside part of the other one? nope, they're shoes

So can you explain why this theft happened this way?
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Security measures relevant? Perhaps one store put security tags on the right shoes and the other store put them on the left?
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Security measures relevant? no Perhaps one store put security tags on the right shoes and the other store put them on the left? no security tags but OTRT
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sorry, security measures ARE relevant, but not in the form of tags
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Is this one of those shoe stores that only puts one shoe of each type out on display, and the sales person has to go to the back storage room to bring you your size?

If yes to the above question, did one store display only right shoes, and the other display only left shoes? Does this have something to do with the border they crossed? Were our thieves fortunate enough to wear the standard display model size?

Or, are these shoes that are for some purpose other than to be worn by people (given that you said the stolen items aren't clothes)? Such as horse shoes? A shoe for a type of machinery? Something decorative?
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Is this one of those shoe stores that only puts one shoe of each type out on display, and the sales person has to go to the back storage room to bring you your size? yes indeed

If yes to the above question, did one store display only right shoes, and the other display only left shoes? spot on Does this have something to do with the border they crossed? yes Were our thieves fortunate enough to wear the standard display model size? irrelevant

Or, are these shoes that are for some purpose other than to be worn by people (given that you said the stolen items aren't clothes)? mea culpa, I consider clothes to be separate from shoes, although if the word used was clothing then I would include shoes. A question of whether they hid them 'under their clothes' reinforced this image for me. My apologies if this has confused everybody Such as horse shoes? A shoe for a type of machinery? Something decorative?

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According to a story in The Times on Tuesday, two thieves in Malmo, Sweden, stole 7 left shoes that had been on display. Traditionally the Swedes display the left hand shoes, whereas over the border in Copenhagen, Denmark, the Danes display the right shoe. These were expensive designer shoes, not surprisingly sold in both countries; the 7 pairs were worth about 900 pounds sterling.

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