| Author | Message | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2422 Registered: 1-2007 |
Hi I'm back hosting a puzzle after suffering from a dose of woubit's christmas puzzle induced puzzlers block Why did a picture of a scotsman cause much mirth? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1101 Registered: 9-2009 |
Kilt relevant? Genitals visible? Something else embarrassing visible? Was it a photo? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2423 Registered: 1-2007 |
Kilt relevant? No. I mischievously phrased and named the puzzle so that this would be the first question asked. Sorry. Genitals visible? No Something else embarrassing visible? No Was it a photo? yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1102 Registered: 9-2009 |
Hehe (: Scottish clothing relevant? Is the funny thing in the picture itself? Is the picture on paper? On a computer? Relevant? Is there something in the background of the picture? would it have worked with an Englishman instead? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 282 Registered: 2-2009 |
picture of a Scotsman = photo whose subject is said Scotsman? photo made by said Scotsman? Just to check, Scotsman = HAM? from Scotland either by birth or ancestrally? Is the picture of a specific Scotsman? (in)famous? Could it be of any Scotsman in the same situation and elicit the same response? Photoshop relevant? | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 236 Registered: 12-2008 |
Mirth as in gaiety and laughter? Would the picture have caused amusement for most audiences, or is a particular audience relevant? Is the picture in itself the cause of the mirth, or is it the context in which it is being shown? Is it on display, or is it being shown by an individual? If the latter, is the individual's identity relevant? Is the size of the photo relevant? Colour or B&W? Did the photographer intend to cause amusement? Or did the subject of the photo so intend? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2424 Registered: 1-2007 |
Hehe (: Gotya!! Scottish clothing relevant? Not in the slightest Is the funny thing in the picture itself? Noish Is the picture on paper? No On a computer? No Relevant? it's relevant where it was seen yes Is there something in the background of the picture? no would it have worked with an Englishman instead? Yes it could but unlikely in this specific incidence | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2425 Registered: 1-2007 |
picture of a Scotsman = photo whose subject is said Scotsman? this photo made by said Scotsman? Just to check, Scotsman = HAM? Yes from Scotland either by birth or ancestrally? by birth and residence Is the picture of a specific Scotsman? yes (in)famous? yes without the in Could it be of any Scotsman in the same situation and elicit the same response? No Photoshop relevant? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1704 Registered: 11-2008 |
The Scotsman: an artist? politician? sportsman? Did he live in /LTPF list of centuries/? Is he Bruce? Wallace? Burns? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1705 Registered: 11-2008 |
Flying Scotsman relevant? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2426 Registered: 1-2007 |
Mirth as in gaiety and laughter? yes Would the picture have caused amusement for most audiences, or is a particular audience relevant? Yes to specific audience. You have to consider the circumstances in which the picture was displayed and viewed Is the picture in itself the cause of the mirth, or is it the context in which it is being shown? Very much the context. On it's own the picture would not be funny Is it on display, or is it being shown by an individual? neither of these things If the latter, is the individual's identity relevant? It it relevant who showed the picture but it's not an idividual Is the size of the photo relevant? Not really but it was quite big Colour or B&W? If memory serves it might have been black and white but not sure and not really relevant Did the photographer intend to cause amusement? No Or did the subject of the photo so intend? No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2427 Registered: 1-2007 |
The Scotsman: an artist? politician? sportsman? the latter Did he live in /LTPF list of centuries/? Yes he did................only joking , I'm glad to report that he is still alive Is he Bruce? Wallace? Burns? Nothing so heroic i'm afraid | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2428 Registered: 1-2007 |
Flying Scotsman relevant? On the wrong track | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 284 Registered: 2-2009 |
(*sigh*) This is going to be another cricket puzzle, isn't it? (*feels left out of the club*) All right, sport of said sportsperson: cricket? basketball? boxing? tennis? football/soccer? American football? golf? cycling? some form of motorsport? track and field event(s)? other? Was the picture of this person actually participating in his sport? Was the mirth derived from the fact that it was of this person taking part in his sport? or that it was not? Were comparisons made between his performance in his sport and whatever he was doing in the picture? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2429 Registered: 1-2007 |
(*sigh*) This is going to be another cricket puzzle, isn't it? (*feels left out of the club*)You'll be glad to hear that Cricket is not relevant to this puzzle All right, sport of said sportsperson: cricket? basketball? boxing? tennis? football/soccer? American football? golf? cycling? some form of motorsport? track and field event(s)? other? other Was the picture of this person actually participating in his sport? No Was the mirth derived from the fact that it was of this person taking part in his sport? or that it was not? neither Were comparisons made between his performance in his sport and whatever he was doing in the picture? No he's not doing anything in the picture . It's a mugshot type photo | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 285 Registered: 2-2009 |
Okay, next list of sports - is his sport rugby? field hockey? ice hockey? polo? lacrosse? badminton? martial arts? some form of racing? swimming? fishing? curling? jai alai? Highland games :-)? Failing all that, is it a sport in the Olympics? recognized by the IOC (thanks to one of Alhucema's puzzles I know now that there's a distinction...)? Is it a team sport? individual sport? "mugshot type photo" - is it actually a mugshot? Was the Scotsman arrested? Is he generally considered an enforcer in his sport? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2430 Registered: 1-2007 |
Okay, next list of sports - is his sport rugby? field hockey? ice hockey? polo? lacrosse? badminton? martial arts? some form of racing? swimming? fishing? curling? jai alai? Highland games :-)? None of these i'm afraid Failing all that, is it a sport in the Olympics? No recognized by the IOC (thanks to one of Alhucema's puzzles I know now that there's a distinction...)? I think not Is it a team sport? individual sport? this "mugshot type photo" - is it actually a mugshot? No it was just a picture of his face and shoulders Was the Scotsman arrested? no Is he generally considered an enforcer in his sport? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1717 Registered: 11-2008 |
Pole-tossing relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2144 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it a still photograph, or from a motion picture? Was it widely disseminated, or only to a select group of people, or to one? Can it be considered a game? One in which you earn points? Or in which a referee is included? Or an official association? Can you make money at it? Be employed at it? Was the Scotsman looking at the camera? Did he know his picture was being taken? Was he wearing anything relevant? Is the photo amusing in isolation, or is it found alongside something else amusing (such as a caption or headline)? Anything relevant about the photo itself (its fuzziness, the amount of light, etc)? Was the picture taken inside or outside? Is terrain, exact location or date relevant? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2431 Registered: 1-2007 |
Pole-tossing relevant? No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2432 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is it a still photograph, or from a motion picture? It's a still photo Was it widely disseminated, or only to a select group of people, or to one? Hard to say. Put it this way it was like a file photo that press and other agencies might use Can it be considered a game? there are some who would consider it a game One in which you earn points? Yope but be careful Or in which a referee is included? Not a ref as such Or an official association? yes there is Can you make money at it? yes Be employed at it? yes Was the Scotsman looking at the camera? yes Did he know his picture was being taken? yes Was he wearing anything relevant? It's just a standard photo as i've mentioned before. Think of it like a passport photo that the press would use when running a story about you Is the photo amusing in isolation, or is it found alongside something else amusing (such as a caption or headline)? It's not amusing in isolation but was amusing when shown in a certain context Anything relevant about the photo itself (its fuzziness, the amount of light, etc)? No Was the picture taken inside or outside? Irr Is terrain, exact location or date relevant? No | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 286 Registered: 2-2009 |
Was the context that was funny the juxtaposition of the photo with some text near it? Did it look like the photo was associated with story A when it was really associated with story B? Is the sport more of a physical challenge (e.g. football, hockey)? or a mental one (e.g. Scrabble, chess, poker)? or a combination (e.g. golf, billiards)? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2433 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the context that was funny the juxtaposition of the photo with some text near it? No Did it look like the photo was associated with story A when it was really associated with story B? No nothing like this. The photo didn't actually appear in the press Is the sport more of a physical challenge (e.g. football, hockey)? No or a mental one (e.g. Scrabble, chess, poker)? Not this either or a combination (e.g. golf, billiards)? Billiards would be closest of all those you listed but not all that close | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1501 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is a ball involved in the sport? More than one ball? At least one net? Does the participant use his hands directly to affect the game? Or does he use a tool? Does the sport primarily require hitting something? Moving something? Throwing something? Lifting something? Sports vaguely similar to billiards... darts? bowling? shuffleboard? air hockey? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1502 Registered: 7-2009 |
A thought... If darts, is the picture hung on the dart board as a target? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2434 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is a ball involved in the sport? More than one ball? At least one net? Does the participant use his hands directly to affect the game? Or does he use a tool? Does the sport primarily require hitting something? Moving something? Throwing something? Lifting something? Sports vaguely similar to billiards... darts? This bowling? shuffleboard? air hockey? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2435 Registered: 1-2007 |
A thought... If darts, is the picture hung on the dart board as a target? No but nice idea | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1503 Registered: 7-2009 |
So he is a scotsman who plays darts. Is the amusing-ness of his photo related to a game of darts? If so, is he playing? watching? present? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2436 Registered: 1-2007 |
So he is a scotsman who plays darts. Played darts yes Is the amusing-ness of his photo related to a game of darts? No If so, is he playing? watching? present? So none of these | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1135 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it relevant that the depicted man is a good dart player? Does the amused party know that he is? Is it somehow insinuated that someone else is him? Is like him? Has some aspect of his personality in common with him? Aiming skills relevant? Sexual innuendo invovled? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2437 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is it relevant that the depicted man is a good dart player? Not really. But it's relevant that he's well known Does the amused party know that he is? the amused party are many many people who would have to know who he is to get the joke Is it somehow insinuated that someone else is him? No quite the opposite in fact Is like him? No Has some aspect of his personality in common with him? No Aiming skills relevant? No Sexual innuendo invovled? No | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2158 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is he famous for some reason other than dart-playing? Does something about him have relevance to darts? Perhaps his name includes the word "dart"? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1518 Registered: 7-2009 |
Does he look like someone else famous? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2438 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is he famous for some reason other than dart-playing? No Does something about him have relevance to darts? No other than he plays the game Perhaps his name includes the word "dart"? No nothing like that Does he look like someone else famous? No | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2159 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it part of a slide show? Does the person who presents or arranges the photograph know of the humor involved? Does he deliberately present it to cause humor? Is it relevant to know who he is? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2439 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was it part of a slide show? No Does the person who presents or arranges the photograph know of the humor involved? This is the subject of much speculation so I'm not sure Does he deliberately present it to cause humor? See above Is it relevant to know who he is? It's more a they really and yes you need to find out where it was shown and by whom | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2162 Registered: 5-2003 |
OK, are there at least three people involved -- - The person in the picture - The person(s) presenting the picture - The person(s) viewing the picture How many people are in the second and third groups? Is who took the picture relevant? Is the picture presented in hardcopy? Is the picture black/white or color, and is this relevant? Was the picture taken for an official purpose? Geographical or era relevant? Languages? Is it a wanted poster? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2440 Registered: 1-2007 |
OK, are there at least three people involved -- - The person in the picture - The person(s) presenting the picture - The person(s) viewing the picture b{yes to all} How many people are in the second and third groups? Second group would be 5-10 the third group would be in the millions Is who took the picture relevant? No Is the picture presented in hardcopy? No Is the picture black/white or color, and is this relevant? Colour i think but not relevant Was the picture taken for an official purpose? No Geographical or era relevant? Era yes and geographical i'd say yope Languages? No Is it a wanted poster? No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2441 Registered: 1-2007 |
Sorry there is one other group of relevant people and they number about 7 or 8 | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1155 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it shown on TV? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2442 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is it shown on TV? Yes it was | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2181 Registered: 5-2003 |
Second group -- producers? Cameramen or other production blue-collar types? Newscasters? Any authorities involved (did someone order the picture to be shown/broadcast)? For how long was the picture seen? Was it part of a larger presentation, for example a news show? Or a comedy show? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2443 Registered: 1-2007 |
Second group -- producers? \ b{Yes the crew who put the show together. You don't really need to be any more specific than that} Cameramen or other production blue-collar types? Newscasters? Any authorities involved (did someone order the picture to be shown/broadcast)? Order would be too strong but it was certainly suggested For how long was the picture seen? Oh about 3mins & 5 seconds :0) Was it part of a larger presentation, for example a news show? yes but not this example Or a comedy show? Nor this | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2010 |
If you're unsure whether it was deliberately shown to provoke laughter, is it possible that it was shown by mistake? On that track, could it be a picture that was mistakenly shown instead of one of someone else with the same name? Someone with a similar name? Someone who could have been described in a similar way? Someone with no apparent similarity at all? Is his profession relevant to the humour? Is his name relevant? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2444 Registered: 1-2007 |
If you're unsure whether it was deliberately shown to provoke laughter, is it possible that it was shown by mistake? Hit the nail on the head. There is still much conjecture as to whether the photo was shown by mistake or whether the humour was intentional On that track, could it be a picture that was mistakenly shown instead of one of someone else with the same name? Not quite Someone with a similar name? Yes Someone who could have been described in a similar way? No Someone with no apparent similarity at all? Other than their name no similarity whatsoever. In fact it would be hard to come up with two more dissimilar people Is his profession relevant to the humour? Do you mean the picture that was actually shown then no. If you mean the someone else that should have been then yes Is his name relevant? Both names are relevant given that they are very similar | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2445 Registered: 1-2007 |
Forgot to say welcome to the forum Torquemada. Great set of questions btw. | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2010 |
Thanks. =) Now, I can't think of many Scottish Darts players, so was the picture of Jocky Wilson? Les Wallace? Mike Veitch? Ross Montgomery? John Henderson? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2446 Registered: 1-2007 |
Now, I can't think of many Scottish Darts players, so was the picture of Jocky Wilson? the very manLes Wallace? Mike Veitch? Ross Montgomery? John Henderson? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1545 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the mistake mixing up Jocky Wilson/Jackie Wilson? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2447 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the mistake mixing up Jocky Wilson/Jackie Wilson? Indeed , and as this incident is well documented I'll go ahead and post the ..... **************SPOILER************* In 1982 Dexy's Midnight Runners appeared on Top of the Pops to perform their cover of the Van Morrison classic "Jackie Wilson Says". During the performance a large screen on stage displayed a photo not of the soul legend Jackie Wilson but of rotund, hard drinking, heavy smoking, scots tungsten thrower Jockey Wilson . Jockey was World Darts Champion at the time. How this error came to be is still the subject of conjecture. Many people feel it was a joke by the band themselves or by the BBC production team but I prefer to believe that someone at the BBC was asked to show a file picture of "Jackie Wilson" and didn't quite hear the instruction correctly. It's funnier that way. The puzzle title, while blatently designed to prompt questions about all sorts of nasty things being visible on a kilt wearing scotsman is actually a quote from the song itself. As for Jockey , sadly he is a complete recluse now,is virtually penniless and has not played Darts in over a decade. Well done Noel and Torquemada |
