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Author Message Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 63 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 1:53 am:        A teacher prepares two alternate forms of a test for his students. Half the class did one test, and half did the other. While the teacher believed that the two were the equally challenging, one turned out to generate a certain confusion. Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1548 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 2:31 am:        Were the two tests the same question format (e.g. if one was multiple choice, the other one was also multiple choice)? Were they both on paper? If not, was one of them? Were both written in the same language? Were they actually equally challenging (excepting whatever made the second one confusing)? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 64 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 3:04 am:        Were the two tests the same question format (e.g. if one was multiple choice, the other one was also multiple choice)? yes. Were they both on paper? irrelevant, but assume yes. If not, was one of them? Were both written in the same language? yes. Were they actually equally challenging (excepting whatever made the second one confusing)? yes. Kalira (Kalira) New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 291 Registered: 2-2009 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 5:29 am:        Were the same questions on both tests? Did any relevant question on either test make reference to another question on that same test? Did the whole second test generate confusion? or just a portion of it? or more than one portion? Were the two tests multiple choice tests? Is this relevant? Did the questions not match the potential answers? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 66 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 6:14 pm:        Were the same questions on both tests? no. Did any relevant question on either test make reference to another question on that same test? irrelevant. Did the whole second test generate confusion? or just a portion of it? or more than one portion? all irrelevant. If there was any other portion, it is irrelevant. Were the two tests multiple choice tests? no. Is this relevant? yes. Did the questions not match the potential answers? so no. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1196 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:07 pm:        Is the puzzle title relevant? Was it something in the test itself that lead to confusion? Or some outside factor? Were the two tests given simultaneously? In the same classroom? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 69 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:14 pm:        Is the puzzle title relevant? in a way. Was it something in the test itself that lead to confusion? this. Or some outside factor? Were the two tests given simultaneously? In the same classroom? both irrelevant. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1202 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:39 pm:        Did the confusion affect their grades? Could the teacher have foreseen the confusion? If the two tests had been given to opposite halves, would the same test have caused the confusion? Relevant how the class was divided up? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 75 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:43 pm:        Did the confusion affect their grades? irrelevant. Could the teacher have foreseen the confusion? I suppose. If the two tests had been given to opposite halves, would the same test have caused the confusion? aye. Relevant how the class was divided up? nay. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1206 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:47 pm:        Was the confusion caused by: something written? An image? A graph or similar? Subject of the test relevant? Science involved? Food? Math? Is it a practical test? Is some kind of mismatch cause of the confusion? A misunderstanding? Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1207 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:48 pm:        Did the students think it was something other than this test? Something that was not a test? Paper color relevant? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 79 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:55 pm:        Was the confusion caused by: something written? this. An image? A graph or similar? this is yopishly relevant, too. Subject of the test relevant? aye. Science involved? only if math and general statistics are "science." Food? yope. Math? yes, but this is not a math test. Is it a practical test? define. Is some kind of mismatch cause of the confusion? I wouldn't say so. A misunderstanding? aye. Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 80 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 8:56 pm:        Did the students think it was something other than this test? Something that was not a test? Paper color relevant? nay to all. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1210 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 9:53 pm:        So math and stats was involved, but the subject itself not scientific? Was the confusion related to the math? Practical test: did the students have to do something besides/instead of writing and/or drawing their answers on paper? Did they have to use a ruler? Compass? Other drawing aides? If so, is the confusion related to any of them? Is the confusion caused by a word? Sentence? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 10:06 pm:        BLOOPER ALERT! Food was definitely involved. So math and stats was involved, but the subject itself not scientific? exactly. Was the confusion related to the math? No, not really. Practical test: did the students have to do something besides/instead of writing and/or drawing their answers on paper? they didn't have to write anything on paper. Did they have to use a ruler? Compass? Other drawing aides? no to all. If so, is the confusion related to any of them? Is the confusion caused by a word? Sentence? phrase. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1214 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 2:07 am:        Do they have to: input something into a computer? Into something else? Make food? Eat food? Measurement involved? If so: confusion about some measurement? Imperial vs Metric relevant? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 87 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 2:46 am:        Do they have to: input something into a computer? yes. Into something else? Make food? Eat food? Measurement involved? If so: confusion about some measurement? Imperial vs Metric relevant? no to all the rest. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1223 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 6:03 pm:        Is the confusion related to the computers? To a specific piece of software? Hardware? Is something unclear regarding how the computer should be used to answer the test? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 92 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 12:34 am:        Is the confusion related to the computers? To a specific piece of software? thisish. Hardware? Is something unclear regarding how the computer should be used to answer the test? yesish. Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 628 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 8:18 pm:        Is the test in the subject of: Programming a computer? Analyzing data from a field other than math or science? (psychology? sociology? geography?) Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 629 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 8:20 pm:        Oh, and not to offend those of you who consider psychology (or sociology) science... I understand there are aspects of either that can be scientific and/or rigorous, I just don't think the average person would classify them as such. Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 104 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 8:53 pm:        Is the test in the subject of: Programming a computer? no, but it is about computers. Analyzing data from a field other than math or science? (psychology? sociology? geography?) define "analyzing data." Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1234 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 9:21 am:        Is the subject about computer: hardware? Software? Operating system? Was the confusion about: what to do? How to do it? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 111 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 7:46 pm:        Is the subject about computer: hardware? Software? this. Operating system? Was the confusion about: what to do? this. How to do it? Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1559 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 10:32 pm:        Hmm, food is involved...is it the name of a food that is involved? Or actual physical food? Or some attribute of food? I know you said it was software, rather than hardware, but I keep thinking that there might have been confusion between Apple/an apple? Or between Mac/Big Mac? or Mac/"mac and cheese"? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 125 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 1:16 am:        Hmm, food is involved...is it the name of a food that is involved? Or actual physical food? both. Or some attribute of food? not really. I know you said it was software, rather than hardware, but I keep thinking that there might have been confusion between Apple/an apple? Or between Mac/Big Mac? or Mac/"mac and cheese"? no, but you're sort of OTRT. Gourami (Gourami) Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 922 Registered: 10-2008 Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 3:00 pm:        Did the teacher refer to software on the test, and the students thought she was referring to food? Did she refer to food, and they thought she was referring to software? Are the instructions for this exam on paper? On the computer? Does taking the exam involve typing the answers into a computer? Does it involve using the software that the test is about? Are the two versions about the same software? Does the set-up of the second test make it impossible to use the software and complete the test at the same time? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 139 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 11:26 pm:        Did the teacher refer to software on the test, and the students thought she was referring to food? almost. Did she refer to food, and they thought she was referring to software? no. Are the instructions for this exam on paper? On the computer? irr. Does taking the exam involve typing the answers into a computer? noish. Does it involve using the software that the test is about? yes. Are the two versions about the same software? yes. Does the set-up of the second test make it impossible to use the software and complete the test at the same time? no. It is perfectly possible to complete the test; there is just a small confusion. Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2260 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 6:44 am:        Is a literal taste test involved? Are the types of questions -- multiple choice, essay, etc -- relevant? Can the confusion be cleared up by asking the instructor? Is the question obviously confusing at first glance, or is the student likely to try to complete it before recognizing the problem? Or does he complete it, essentially answering a question the instructor did not intend to ask? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 144 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 7:48 pm:        Is a literal taste test involved? no. Are the types of questions -- multiple choice, essay, etc -- relevant? the only relevant questions involve using the software. Can the confusion be cleared up by asking the instructor? I suppose. Is the question obviously confusing at first glance, or is the student likely to try to complete it before recognizing the problem? It is only confusing at first glance. Reading it carefully will solve the problem. Or does he complete it, essentially answering a question the instructor did not intend to ask? yope. Torquemada (Torquemada) New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 76 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 12:03 pm:        Did the test involve using certain software to do something? Did it involve software with a name similar to (or the same as) a sort of food? Like Quark? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 148 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 10:03 pm:        Did the test involve using certain software to do something? yes. Did it involve software with a name similar to (or the same as) a sort of food? no, but OTRT. Like Quark? no. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1355 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 - 9:11 am:        Is it the name of the software itself that causes the confusion? Or something in the software? with the same name as a food? Like "cookies"? Is the instruction something like "clear the cookies"? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 174 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 - 8:03 pm:        Is it the name of the software itself that causes the confusion? no. Or something in the software? yesish. It is a feature in the software. with the same name as a food? yesish. Like "cookies"? not this, though. Is the instruction something like "clear the cookies"? so no. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1378 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 11:59 am:        Yesish on "same name as a food" - is it only almost the same name? Or is it the same name as a food ingredient? Such as a spice? SPICE electronic circuit simulation software relevant? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 177 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 7:25 pm:        Yesish on "same name as a food" - is it only almost the same name? yes. The feature is the name of a food plus another word. Or is it the same name as a food ingredient? Such as a spice? SPICE electronic circuit simulation software relevant? no to rest. And many thanks for rescuing my puzzle. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1396 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 11:12 am:        Is the food: a vegetable? Meat? Spice? Fungus? Milk product? Something else? Mixture of the above? Is it a generic food name (like apple)? Or a trademark/specific name (like gorgonzola)? Is it a popular food? Is it from a specific part of the world? If so: [LTPF list of continents]? You're welcome, if you can help my disasters I'll be happy too. Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 182 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 8:05 pm:        Is the food: a vegetable? Meat? Spice? Fungus? Milk product? Something else? Mixture of the above? it can have any of the above, as well as a few others. Is it a generic food name (like apple)? this. Or a trademark/specific name (like gorgonzola)? Is it a popular food? not popular in a trendy sense, but it is eaten a lot and is well-liked. Is it from a specific part of the world? If so: [LTPF list of continents]? associated with N. Amer, but appears in many cultures, mostly Europe, in different forms. You're welcome, if you can help my disasters I'll be happy too. I'll try. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1428 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 8:38 am:        Is it pie? And the software feature is a pie chart? Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1429 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 8:40 am:        And the test said something like "look at the pie", meaning the pie chart, but students thought they were supposed to look at an actual pie? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 184 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 9:11 pm:        Is it pie? YES! And the software feature is a pie chart? YES AGAIN! And the test said something like "look at the pie", meaning the pie chart, but students thought they were supposed to look at an actual pie? not this, though. You're on the right track. * *************BLOOPER******************* The test mentions pies, and the students thought it referred to pie charts. Not the other way around. There is still more to this puzzle, though. Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1444 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 9:35 am:        Did the test ask students to look at pie? Make pie? Describe how to make pie? Were they to make a chart regarding pie? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 187 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 7:35 pm:        Did the test ask students to look at pie? Make pie? Describe how to make pie? Were they to make a chart regarding pie? the last one. You're almost there. Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1632 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 1:01 pm:        Were they supposed to make a chart about pies (e.g. a scenario involving pie sales or pie eating contest or something like that)? Which wasn't supposed to be a pie chart? But instead was supposed to be a bar graph? Or a line graph? Or some other kind of chart? But some of them made a pie chart? Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 189 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 2:34 pm:        I'll declare this a ***************SPOILER******************* Were they supposed to make a chart about pies (e.g. a scenario involving pie sales or pie eating contest or something like that)? Which wasn't supposed to be a pie chart? But instead was supposed to be a bar graph? Or a line graph? Or some other kind of chart? But some of them made a pie chart? you pretty much got it. Good job, people.