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Hominid (Hominid)
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I used to have a scrund about California. What could it be?
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AARRGGHH!! My name! I forgot it AGAIN!!!!!!
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How could you possibly forget your name? You chose it, didn't you? :p

Are you being deliberately vague here? For example, could this scrund be about the history of California? The flora/fauna of California? The population of California? Or is it a scrund about something very general or basic that applies to the entire state, such as what the name "California" means?

Is it about a city? Disney? Hollywood? Mountains? Redwoods? The ocean? The Colorado River?
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How could you possibly forget your name? You chose it, didn't you? :p Good one.

Are you being deliberately vague here? aye. For example, could this scrund be about the history of California? The flora/fauna of California? The population of California? none of these, though. Or is it a scrund about something very general or basic that applies to the entire state, such as what the name "California" means? nay.

Is it about a city? Disney? Hollywood? Mountains? Redwoods? The ocean? The Colorado River? none of these.
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Did you have this scrund as a kid? Is it one that only a small child would have? Or could a adult easily have it?

Does it have to do with the physical placement of California in the world? With its capital? Its general geography? The beaches? The people?
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Did you have this scrund as a kid? I did. Is it one that only a small child would have? Or could a adult easily have it? both could have it.

Does it have to do with the physical placement of California in the world? This, I guess. With its capital? Its general geography? Define. The beaches? The people? no to all the rest.
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Fault Lines relevant? Earthquakes?
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Fault Lines relevant? Earthquakes? nope to both.
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Geography:
Physical geographical features (e.g. rivers, lakes, mountains, oceans, etc)? Or physical geographical orientation relative to other things on the globe? Political boundaries (e.g. state lines, county lines, city limits, etc)? Social geography distributions (e.g. distribution patterns of race, ethnicity, income, political affiliation, education level, etc).? Climate? Weather?
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Geography:
Physical geographical features (e.g. rivers, lakes, mountains, oceans, etc)? no. Or physical geographical orientation relative to other things on the globe? I suppose this. Political boundaries (e.g. state lines this..., county lines and this., city limits, etc)? Social geography distributions (e.g. distribution patterns of race, ethnicity, income, political affiliation, education level, etc).? Climate? Weather? no to rest.
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Anything to do with the size of California? In comparison with other states? Gerrymandering?
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Anything to do with its shape? How it was once part of Mexico? Its relationship with other states?
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Anything to do with the size of California? In comparison with other states? Gerrymandering? none of the above.

Anything to do with its shape? How it was once part of Mexico? Its relationship with other states? this last one is closest. No to all the rest.
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Did you think it was somewhere else in the US than where it is? That it was a city, county, or region within another state? Or that it wasn't part of the US?
Is another place called "California" relevant?
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Did you think it was somewhere else in the US than where it is? That it was a city, county, or region within another state? Or that it wasn't part of the US?
Is another place called "California" relevant? no to everything in this post, believe it or not.

HINT: Remember that county lines are relevant.
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Are any of the following relevant?

The number of counties that have (at least) one border along the ocean?
The number of counties one must pass through to travel between the northern and southern borders?
The relative populations of several (or all) of the counties?
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Are any of the following relevant?

The number of counties that have (at least) one border along the ocean?
The number of counties one must pass through to travel between the northern and southern borders?
The relative populations of several (or all) of the counties? no to all. Sorry! HINT: It might be helpful to look at a map of the counties in California.
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Is it about specific counties? or the counties in general?

Just a guess: Maybe you thought that Orange County was the largest county in southern California, since it is by far the most mentioned in popular media, and has become almost synonymous with the area?
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...aside of course from Los Angeles, but while the city is mentioned a lot, the surrounding county seems less "famous" than OC.
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Is it about specific counties? or the counties in general? I guess you could say it is about several counties, but mostly county lines.

Just a guess: Maybe you thought that Orange County was the largest county in southern California, since it is by far the most mentioned in popular media, and has become almost synonymous with the area? nope, but good guess.

...aside of course from Los Angeles, but while the city is mentioned a lot, the surrounding county seems less "famous" than OC. I agree. But this has nothing to do with the answer.

Again, look at a blank map of California, like the one at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Blank_California_Map.svg/508px-Blank_California_Map.svg.png
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The only glaringly obvious thing is the fact that there seems to be a series of county lines that all fall on the same east-west line, roughly along the division of northern and southern California. It seems in fact they may not <i>exactly<i> be on the same line.

However, this seems an unlikely thing to have a scrund about, as it would seem few people would actually care enough about the geometry of borders to develop a deeply held belief about them being collinear (or not).
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Did you think that the largest counties were the most heavily populated? Did you think that they had some relevance other than as counties (for example that they also represented lines between Congressional districts?
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The only glaringly obvious thing is the fact that there seems to be a series of county lines that all fall on the same east-west line, roughly along the division of northern and southern California. It seems in fact they may not <i>exactly<i> be on the same line.

However, this seems an unlikely thing to have a scrund about, as it would seem few people would actually care enough about the geometry of borders to develop a deeply held belief about them being collinear (or not).

You're right. This is relevant.

Did you think that the largest counties were the most heavily populated? no. Did you think that they had some relevance other than as counties yes, but beware of FA. (for example that they also represented lines between Congressional districts? not this, though.
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Are the reasons for laying out collinear borders relevant? In some cases there are political reasons (American states in the West, for example, are on average three or four degrees on a side for reasons of making them roughly equal in size). There are reasons created by patterns of settlement (for example the 160-acre parcels that divided so much of the Midwest into farmland.)

I once read a book about the borders of the states; but haven't seen anything similar about their division into counties.
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Did you think that the collinear county line was actually a state line: that Northern and Southern California were two states? Is the one completely horziontal line the only relevant one, or are other county lines relevant?

Was the scrund about why this line was so horizontal? Did you think it divided two types of Californians? Two types of physical geography?
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Does this have anything to do with Baja California? Did you think that Baja was part of the US? because it is also "California"? Did you think this horizontal line across CA marked the border between CA and Baja CA?
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Are the reasons for laying out collinear borders relevant? In some cases there are political reasons (American states in the West, for example, are on average three or four degrees on a side for reasons of making them roughly equal in size). There are reasons created by patterns of settlement (for example the 160-acre parcels that divided so much of the Midwest into farmland.) no to all.

I once read a book about the borders of the states; but haven't seen anything similar about their division into counties. I read this book too, and if you read it, you know about something else relevant in this puzzle.

Did you think that the collinear county line was actually a state line: that Northern and Southern California were two states? no. Is the one completely horziontal line the only relevant one, or are other county lines relevant? yesish.

Was the scrund about why this line was so horizontal? Did you think it divided two types of Californians? Two types of physical geography? no to all.

Does this have anything to do with Baja California? Did you think that Baja was part of the US? because it is also "California"? Did you think this horizontal line across CA marked the border between CA and Baja CA? no to all.
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Did you think this part of California used to belong to another state? Or another country?

We joke that one day California will fall off the map...did you think that this would be a good dividing line for that to happen?
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Did you think this part of California used to belong to another state? no. Or another country? no.

We joke that one day California will fall off the map...did you think that this would be a good dividing line for that to happen? no.
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Did you think that the California counties were drawn to look like other states? (For example, I see a slightly pinched Tennessee, a backwards Maine, and a reasonably accurate Montana.)
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Did you think that the California counties were drawn to look like other states? (For example, I see a slightly pinched Tennessee, a backwards Maine, and a reasonably accurate Montana.) no, but thank you for rescuing my puzzle!
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Did you think that the counties were something else, or that the lines had relevance to something other than counties?

Are the state borders, and/or how they double as county borders, relevant?
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Did you think that the counties were something else, or that the lines had relevance to something other than counties? the latter-ish.

Are the state borders, and/or how they double as county borders, relevant? only the former.
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So did you read them as something completely different than county or state lines?

Did you think they were roads/highways?
Rivers/canals?
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So did you read them as something completely different than county or state lines? no. I read them as county lines, but I thought they had a certain attribute that they don't actually have.

Did you think they were roads/highways?
Rivers/canals? no to both.
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Did you think they followed something they didn't? A geographical feature? Political/territorial feature? Any wars relevant? Did you think they were determined in a different way than they were?
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Did you think they followed something they didn't? define followed, but I think the answer is yes. A geographical feature? Political/territorial feature? yesish. Now figure out what this is, and what it had to do with these county boundaries. Any wars relevant? Did you think they were determined in a different way than they were?
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A specific historic event relevant? Do we need to go back to the time the state was first settled by Europeans? Or before? Is "mimicking" a better word than "following"?
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A specific historic event relevant? Do we need to go back to the time the state was first settled by Europeans? Or before? Is "mimicking" a better word than "following"? no to all. However, I suggest you look at a map of the U.S. states.
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Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky and Virginia's southern borders roughly form a line that if continued westward would match up pretty well with these county borders. Does this have anything to do with it?
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Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky and Virginia's southern borders roughly form a line that if continued westward would match up pretty well with these county borders. Does this have anything to do with it? YES! You are close to solving it. But look closely at a map of the US showing all the counties.
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Is it that they don't actually follow this line, that the county borders are farther south that the line that the state borders make?
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***************SPOILER********************
Is it that they don't actually follow this line, that the county borders are farther south that the line that the state borders make?

Yes. I had the scrund that they were the same line, but they aren't. Good work, everyone.

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