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Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 1:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He forgot to check before he checked.
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 1:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

First check: to verify something?

Second check: to check into a hotel?
To check a box?
To check into a flight?

Something to do with chess?
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check 1 = check 2?

Skydiving involved ;-))?
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First check: to verify something? Yes.

Second check: to check into a hotel?
To check a box?
To check into a flight? None of the above.

Something to do with chess? No, but good guess

check 1 = check 2? No.

Skydiving involved ;-))? Yup!
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 2:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he forget to check his parachute?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 2:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he forget to check his parachute? No.
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 4:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he in flight, as in in the air diving?
Was he in the plane?
About to jump off the plane?
About to get on the plane?
check 2 = control the chute?
Was he about to be in danger because he forgot to check?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he in flight, as in in the air diving?
Was he in the plane? This.
About to jump off the plane?
About to get on the plane?
check 2 = control the chute? No.
Was he about to be in danger because he forgot to check? No.
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 5:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

he1 = he2?
Does check2 have anything to do with safety precautions?
Is check2 a slang/lingo for something done in skydiving? Is it skydiving specific?
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 6:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

he1 = he2? Yes.
Does check2 have anything to do with safety precautions? Yes, but there's more to it.
Is check2 a slang/lingo for something done in skydiving? Check2 is not called a "check" if that's what you mean. But it has a name in skydiving lingo. Is it skydiving specific? Yes. But you can figure it out without being a skydiver.
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is 'he' the diver? Pilot?
Would check2 happen after the jump off? before?
Anything to do with formations?
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 10:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is 'he' the diver? Pilot? He is one of the skydivers.
Would check2 happen after the jump off? before? Before.
Anything to do with formations? No.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Note: It's relevant that there are more skydivers than him aboard.
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Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 12:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is checking waiting for your turn? Did he jump out of formation or a preordained sequence?
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Is checking waiting for your turn? No. Did he jump out of formation or a preordained sequence? No/FA.
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Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 12:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he jump out at all? Did the others?

Is the number of the skydivers relevant?
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Did he jump out at all? No. Did the others? Yes.

Is the number of the skydivers relevant? Noish, it mostly helps set the scene. Our small jump plane was carrying its maximum of 7 jumpers at that time.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 10:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can we for reasons of clarity call check 1 the check he forgot to check ;-)) and check 2 the check he actually checked?

Did he fail to jump out because of check 1/check 2?

Should he have done check 1 on the plane? On the ground?

Same questions for check 2.

Does check 1 involve persons? Equipment?
Same questions for check 2.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 1:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can we for reasons of clarity call check 1 the check he forgot to check ;-)) and check 2 the check he actually checked? Ok.

Did he fail to jump out because of check 1 This./check 2?

Should he have done check 1 on the plane? This. On the ground? But he could've done it on the ground also.

Same questions for check 2. Check 2 is done on the plane.

Does check 1 involve persons? Equipment? This.
Same questions for check 2. Noish for persons, DYOD for equipment.
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Check 1 does not relate to the parachute, correct? Does Check 2?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Check 1 does not relate to the parachute, correct? Does Check 2? No.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Check 1 does not relate to the parachute, correct? Correct. Does Check 2? No.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 11:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Heck, what other equipment than a parachute can a skydiver have? Let us have a try:

Does Check 1 involve something on the skydiver? In the plane? Outside?
Same questions for Check 2.

Is the jump an ordinary jump, or is there something special about it?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 11:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Check 1 involve something on the skydiver? This. In the plane? Outside?
Same questions for Check 2. Check 2 involves something outside the plane.

Is the jump an ordinary jump, or is there something special about it? Assume ordinary (a distraction makes him forget check 1, but it could've happened in any case).
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Check 1: a helmet? Goggles (do skydivers wear
any)?

Check 2 - weather? The place where is he supposed to land?
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Heck, what other equipment than a parachute can a skydiver have?
Lookie: http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs193.snc1/6520_106195777804_584092804_2682016_5611632_n.jpg
My crazy buddies and me equipped (with student gear) before our first jump. I'm the second one from the right.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Wow, looks pretty fragile assuming your life would depend on it ... at least for a coward like me :-))

So was it (Check 1) the overall? Shoes? Any of the many belts and buckles? Can it be seen on the picture?
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Wow, looks pretty fragile assuming your life would depend on it ... at least for a coward like me :-)) To me those rigs are big and bulky... you should see the tiny things the experienced jumpers strap on their backs ;-)
(btw: "rig" is the name for the "backpack" with all the straps and buckles. Inside is a main and reserve chute, cutaway system (for discarding a malfunctioning main chute) and an automatic activation device (lets out the reserve if everything else fails). Of course I've taken "parachute" to mean "rig" in the above replies, and you don't need to know any of this for the sake of the puzzle)


So was it (Check 1) the overall? Shoes? Any of the many belts and buckles? Neither. Can it be seen on the picture? Yes.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 12:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We haven't discarded the helmet yet, have we? Please see my post of 11:28.
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We haven't discarded the helmet yet, have we? Please see my post of 11:28. My bad.
Check 1: a helmet? Yes indeed. Goggles No. (do skydivers wear
any)? Yes. I've jumped without twice by mistake, both times I just thought it was windier than usual, and realized my mistake only after opening the parachute.

Check 2 - weather? The place where is he supposed to land? Thisish - he looked at the landing area, for a very specific reason. What could be the reason?
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Any obstruction on the landing area? Weather conditions? Did he have to land on a precise target?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 8:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any obstruction on the landing area? Weather conditions? No to both. Did he have to land on a precise target? No, but...
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Was there something relevant on the landing area? Above it? Trees? Was there a place nearby where it was not desirable to land?

Was the location of the landing area relevant? Was its material (such as grass, water, soil) etc.?
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Was there something relevant on the landing area? Noish. Above it? No. Trees? See next answer. Was there a place nearby where it was not desirable to land? The landing area is surrounded by forest and lakes, so anywhere else is undesirable to land.

Was the location of the landing area relevant? DYOD of location, please specify.Was its material (such as grass, water, soil) etc.? No.
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So did he forget to check his helmet? Because he was looking down to the place he was supposed to land?

Was he an experienced skydiver? Relevant?

The reason why he failed to jump - did he decide not to? Was he told not to? If so, by the pilot? his fellow skydivers? someone else?

Location - you have already answered what I wanted to know.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 11:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So did he forget to check his helmet? Yes - a specific part. Because he was looking down to the place he was supposed to land? No. first he forgot check 1 (helmet), then he did check 2 (looking down). Hint: he has to do something relevant in order to actually look down.

Was he an experienced skydiver? Not very. Relevant? Yope.

The reason why he failed to jump - did he decide not to? Was he told not to? If so, by the pilot? his fellow skydivers? someone else? After what happened (yet to be established) as a result of his actions, he was not allowed to jump. He either knew that or his fellow skydivers told him.

Location - you have already answered what I wanted to know. Ok.
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Did he forget to check the strap fastening the helmet under your chin? Did he have the helmet on?

Was the situation something that he looked down (I assume you do that immediately before the jump when you are already supposed to be fully prepared to jump out, with the plane door open and all) but he either did not have his helmet on or it wasn't properly fastened, so someone told him not to jump? Was his helmet broken?
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Did he forget to check the strap fastening the helmet under your chin? Did he have the helmet on? Yes and yes.

Was the situation something that he looked down (I assume you do that immediately before the jump when you are already supposed to be fully prepared to jump out, with the plane door open and all) Pretty much correct, except it was not his turn to jump, he did the check for another jumper. but he either did not have his helmet on or it wasn't properly fastened, so someone told him not to jump? No. But you can figure out what happened when he stuck his head out of the plane door (this is a small plane with a side door, which is relevant). Was his helmet broken? No, but...
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Did it fly away? thus disqualifying him for the jump?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 11:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it fly away? thus disqualifying him for the jump? Exactly! Jumping without a helmet is not allowed.

****SPOILER****
Robert, "Robban" among friends, was sitting by the door on the way up to his planned jump from 4000m (13000 ft). A couple of new jumpers where getting off at 2000m, and asked him to check the spot for them as he had more experience. This involves looking straigt down out of the plane door, to tell when the plane is in the proper position for jumping (this position, or "spot", is calculated before liftoff, and accounts for the winds at different altitudes).
His fellow jumpers had a good laugh when he retracted his helmetless noggin from the door (reportedly with a very surprised look on his face)!
The pilot radioed the jump leader, who informed the other jumpers on the ground (including me), who then had another good round of laughs as Robban sheepishly exited the plane.
The helmet still lies somewhere in the woods surrounding the airfield.
thanks for playing!
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And thanks for the puzzle, Galfisk! Poor Robban, I can imagine you lot are still laughing at him!
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Dang, I was so proud that I'd figured it out, then scrolled down to see that Alhucema had done it first. Good puzzle!

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