| Author | Message | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2159 Registered: 6-2006 |
Today at work, I completed a task. Any master of the skill I used to complete this task would recognize the fault in what I did. My boss is a master of this skill. However, my boss was very satisfied, and in fact, she would have done it the same way herself. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1341 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the fault help you complete the task faster? Did it make it easier? Was it a work-related task? Part of your job? Was it a solo task? Team task? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2136 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did your boss use what you did as an example on how not to do it? Is the skill mostly physical? Mental? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2161 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did the fault help you complete the task faster?no Did it make it easier?no Was it a work-related task?yes Part of your job?yes Was it a solo task?yes Team task?no Did your boss use what you did as an example on how not to do it?no Is the skill mostly physical?yes Mental?no | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 162 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does the fact that your boss is a women have any significance? Are you Male? or Female? Does your sex (M of F) have any relevance? Was this a task normally done by a Male? By Female? Was the task completed with a "fault" because of some problem? Was the "fault" a way to correct a problem that prevented you from performing the task in a normal manner? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2166 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the fact that your boss is a women have any significance?no Are you Male?nope, never met a man named Becca Ann! or Female?yes indeed Does your sex (M of F) have any relevance?no Was this a task normally done by a Male?historically, yes, currently no, but completely irrel By Female?no Was the task completed with a "fault" because of some problem?no Was the "fault" a way to correct a problem that prevented you from performing the task in a normal manner?no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2173 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did your boss expect you to make the mistake? Is that why she asked you to do the job? Would there have been a problem, had it been done correctly? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2168 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did your boss expect you to make the mistake?yes, but possible FA Is that why she asked you to do the job?no Would there have been a problem, had it been done correctlyyes | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1743 Registered: 3-2006 |
Any bets involved? Any superstitions? Any observers of the fault? If so, would the fault have a comical effect? Would unskilled observers have recognised that it was a fault? Was the fault deliberate? Would your boss have lost out financially if you had done the task correctly? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2170 Registered: 6-2006 |
Any bets involved?no Any superstitions?no Any observers of the fault?not sure what you mean... if you're asking whether anyone watched me do this faulty thing, then my boss did, and no one else. If so, would the fault have a comical effect?no Would unskilled observers have recognised that it was a fault?very likely not, but possible Was the fault deliberate?yes Would your boss have lost out financially if you had done the task correctly?yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2175 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you build something? Create an object? Do something on a computer? Change something? Break something? Can what you did be considered artistic? Dangerous? Fun? Did you write something? Record something? Can the result be called amateurish? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1354 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were electronics involved in the task? Writing? Did you fix something? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2172 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you build something?no Create an object?noish, or yope Do something on a computer?no Change something?yesish Break something?no Can what you did be considered artistic?yes Dangerous?no Fun?for me it is Did you write something?noish Record something?no Can the result be called amateurish?no Were electronics involved in the task?no Writing?noish Did you fix something?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1362 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you need a certain amount of strength to do this? Lateral thinking? Endurance? Patience? Perseverance? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2177 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you need a certain amount of strength to do this?no Lateral thinking?no Endurance?not really Patience?no Perseverance?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1367 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were you updating something? A display of some sort? Is your specific job relevant? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2179 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you updating something?no A display of some sort?no Is your specific job relevant?very | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1370 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you work at a big-name company? A school? Restaurant? Shopping mall? Grocery store? (Right now, I'm wishing there was an LTPF list of jobs...) Bookstore? Clothing store? Someplace where you use a computer? Bank? Hardware store? Some sort of store? Television station? Car dealership? Hotel? Toy store? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2184 Registered: 6-2006 |
Do you work at a big-name company?no A school?no. well yes, i also work at a school, but thats not the relevant job! Restaurant?no Shopping mall?no Grocery store?no (Right now, I'm wishing there was an LTPF list of jobs...there is, somewhere. at least, categories of jobs.) Bookstore?no Clothing store?no Someplace where you use a computer?no Bank?no Hardware store?no Some sort of store?No Television station?no Car dealership?No Hotel?no Toy store?no | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2185 Registered: 6-2006 |
i decided to be helpful and find that old list for you.... Artistic this/ musical / writer Banking / financial / real estate Clerical / Administrative Computer related / Hardware Construction / Craftsman Criminal / Questionable Repute Education / Academic Research Entertainment / Media Environmental / Outdoors / Nature Executive / Management Hospitality / Travel Legal Services Manufacturing / Distributions a tiny bit of this Medical / Health Services Politics / Government / Military Sales / Marketing a tiny bit of this Technical / Science / Engineering Teaching / Child care Transportation Food Service Other no to the rest and i should correct myself a little... i do use a computer a tiny bit at this job, and my boss uses it a bit more, but it is irrelevant to the specific task i was working on | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2179 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you draw something? Paint something? Make an illustration? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2187 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you draw something? Paint something? Make an illustration?none of these | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2184 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you shape something with your hands? Or with tools? Apply color to something? There's a physical object involved, correct? Did you design something? Did you use a tool in an inappropriate way? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2190 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you shape something with your hands?no Or with tools?yesish Apply color to something?yes There's a physical object involved, correct?yes Did you design something?no, but... Did you use a tool in an inappropriate way?yes, you could say that | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2187 Registered: 9-2009 |
So you apply color to a physical object? With a: pen? Brush? Airbrush? Pencil? Finger? Other body part? Stamp? Crayon? Chalk? Is the object also of artistic origin? Like a sculpture? Or is it a canvas? Paper? Or other surface meant for painting/drawing? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2191 Registered: 6-2006 |
So you apply color to a physical object? yesWith a: pen? Brush? Airbrush? Pencil? Finger? Other body part? Stamp?this is closest, but not correct Crayon? Chalk? Is the object also of artistic origin?no Like a sculpture? Or is it a canvas? Paper?its this Or other surface meant for painting/drawing? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2200 Registered: 9-2009 |
Some sort of printing press? Printer? Typewriter? Did you make the mistake in the application process itself? Or earlier? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2201 Registered: 9-2009 |
Wild-assed guess: Were you typing "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" again and again, to created the stacks of paper as a prop for "The Shining"? And the typos were supposed to be there? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2193 Registered: 6-2006 |
Some sort of printing press?yes! Printer?no Typewriter?no Did you make the mistake in the application process itself?in the application of color? yes Or earlier?but kind of this as well Wild-assed guess: Were you typing "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" again and again, to created the stacks of paper as a prop for "The Shining"? And the typos were supposed to be there? haha. no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1378 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were you supposed to apply black ink? Color ink? But applied the other? And thanks for finding that LTPF list. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2196 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you supposed to apply black ink?no Color ink?yes But applied the other? i used the correct color ink. it was yellow. and this is irrelevant And thanks for finding that LTPF list.You're welcome | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1391 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the fault in how you applied it? Did you spill the ink over the press? Use a brush of some sort? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2202 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was the fault in how you applied it?yes Did you spill the ink over the press?no Use a brush of some sort?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1395 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you apply it using your hands? Using some other equipment? Using paper? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2204 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you apply it using your hands?no Using some other equipment?other than what? other than the printing press? no. Using paper?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1402 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you apply the ink directly to the press? Or pour it into another container first? Is the ink even in a container (liquid ink)? Or is it in cartridges? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2206 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you apply the ink directly to the press? yes Or pour it into another container first? no Is the ink even in a container (liquid ink)? Or is it in cartridges? the ink is initially in a container. Also, it is not exactly liquid, or pourable. There is no cartridge; the ink is taken from the container and applied directly to the press | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1403 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the ink solid? Clay-like? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2207 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the ink solid?not exactly Clay-like?eh, sort of. its the consistency of well... wax paste? hot tar? somewhere in there. sticky and spreadable | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1413 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you spread it on the press with your hands? With a tool of some sort? Like a knife? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2210 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you spread it on the press with your hands? With a tool of some sort? Like a knife?this...a palette knife | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1423 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the fault in how you spread it on the press? Am I right in saying the ink went from its container, to the palette knife, to the press? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2214 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the fault in how you spread it on the press?no Am I right in saying the ink went from its container, to the palette knife, to the press?no, it went from the container to the palette knife to a mixing slab, back to the palette knife and to the press. None of this is really relevant at all, except perhaps in determining something else about the press | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1437 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you spread the ink on the "letters"? (Hope that makes sense; I don't know much about printing presses.) | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2217 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you spread the ink on the "letters"?no, it gets spread on an inking plate on the press. (Hope that makes sense; I don't know much about printing presses.)i think most people will have this problem...you dont really need to know EXACTLY how the press works, just what TYPE of printing press it is. Example of type of printing press: Offset press...which it is NOT. Googling is acceptable | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2266 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you spread the ink unevenly? Did it result in uneven printing? Were (parts of) the print: too heavily inked? Too lightly inked? Not inked at all? Is the print supposed to look like that? Did prints from before the technology was perfected look like that? Is the point to imitate the artifacts from an older and/or inferior printing technique? Or is it just supposed to look artistic? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2267 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the thing being printed: text? An image? A symbol? Incomprehensible gibberish? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2231 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the thing being printed: text?this An image? A symbol? Incomprehensible gibberish?but it could hypothetically be any of these. Not all that relevant | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2272 Registered: 9-2009 |
Can you answer my first set of questions? The intention was to change the look of the final printed product, correct? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2235 Registered: 6-2006 |
Can you answer my first set of questions?WHOOPS! sorry! The intention was to change the look of the final printed product, correct?not sure what you mean here Did you spread the ink unevenly?irrelevant, and no Did it result in uneven printing?no Were (parts of) the print: too heavily inked?no Too lightly inked?no Not inked at all?no Is the print supposed to look like that?look over or under inked? no Did prints from before the technology was perfected look like that?no Is the point to imitate the artifacts from an older and/or inferior printing technique?no, with a bit of an FA that is very much worth exploring... Or is it just supposed to look artistic?this, but not just this | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2285 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you inexpertly applying the ink make the print look different (from what it would, had an expert done it right)? Did you do something relevant in addition to applying ink to the press? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2240 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you inexpertly applying the ink make the print look different (from what it would, had an expert done it right)?no. i applied the ink expertly Did you do something relevant in addition to applying ink to the press?yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2300 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you make the mistake: before applying ink? After applying ink? Was something pressed against the paper: too hard? Not hard enough? So hard as to emboss the paper? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2243 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did you make the mistake: before applying ink?no After applying ink?yes Was something pressed against the paper: too hard?yes Not hard enough?no So hard as to emboss the paper?YES! Now tell me why this embossment is on one hand faulty printing and on the other hand accepted and expected by my master-printer boss | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3123 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the embossment have uses beyond just imprinting the paper? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2246 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the embossment have uses beyond just imprinting the paper?no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2316 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the feeling of the embossed paper relevant? Or only the look? Is the emobssment visible/feelable from the backside? Is anything being embossed besides the sheet that is being printed? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2247 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the feeling of the embossed paper relevant?not really Or only the look?yes, i suppose Is the emobssment visible/feelable from the backside?no, but irrel Is anything being embossed besides the sheet that is being printed?no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2321 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it supposed to look nice? Expensive? Is it supposed to look like something else? Were you printing on normal plain white paper? Or card stock? Or something else? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2250 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is it supposed to look nice?yes Expensive?yope Is it supposed to look like something else?no Were you printing on normal plain white paper? Or card stock? Or something else? Thick 220 pound duplex 100% cotton rag paper, and not really all that relevant | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1496 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are you printing something that is supposed to look nice (like wedding invitations)? And does the embossing make it look nicer? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2252 Registered: 6-2006 |
Are you printing something that is supposed to look nice (like wedding invitations)?yes, exactly this And does the embossing make it look nicer?that would be a matter of opinion, some would say yes, others would disagree... but the solution is along these lines | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1511 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the embossing add to the fanciness of the invitation? Thus making it look more professional? Something along these lines? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2253 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did the embossing add to the fanciness of the invitation? Thus making it look more professional? Something along these lines?something along these lines, yes, according to some people! Fanciness is closest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1515 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was only the text embossed? Relevant? Is the specific text relevant? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2255 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was only the text embossed? Relevant? Is the specific text relevant? all text and image was embossed. not relevant. All that you need to know is exactly why masters of this as-yet-undetermined kind of printing would see a problem with this yet my boss the master of this type of printing was pleased | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1527 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were the invites for your boss's wedding? And she preferred the embossed invites? (Or he, if your boss is male.) | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2257 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were the invites for your boss's wedding?no And she preferred the embossed invites?no, but... (Or he, if your boss is male.)she's a she | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1538 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would she have rather had the invites un-embossed? (I doubt that's a real word, but oh well.) Was there a monetary advantage to having the invites embossed? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2259 Registered: 6-2006 |
Would she have rather had the invites un-embossed?yes (I doubt that's a real word, but oh well.) Was there a monetary advantage to having the invites embossed?yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1545 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the invites for a particular wedding? Just generic invites? If this, would more people buy embossed invites than un-embossed ones? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2261 Registered: 6-2006 |
Would the invites for a particular wedding?yes Just generic invites?no If this, would more people buy embossed invites than un-embossed ones?but YES! You pretty much have it now... but why is it a fault if that's what the customer wants? Or, conversely, why does the customer want it, even though it's a fault? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1549 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the customer want fancier invites? Does the customer think that embossed invites are more suitable for a wedding? Is it a fault because it normally damages the press? Screws up the print job? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2263 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the customer want fancier invites?yes, but this is not the primary adjective I would use Does the customer think that embossed invites are more suitable for a wedding? not really Is it a fault because it normally damages the press?no, but... Screws up the print job?noish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1553 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does it cause problems with the ink? The paper? Does it make the paper stick to the press? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2266 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does it cause problems with the ink? The paper? Does it make the paper stick to the press? none of these | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1559 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the fault cause a problem with the press? Does it make indentations in part of the press? Would it be fair to ask how the press works? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2268 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the fault cause a problem with the press?no Does it make indentations in part of the press?no Would it be fair to ask how the press works?no... I suggest you google types of printing presses, or types of printing...you're really sooo close | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1573 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the press hand-operated? Steam-operated? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2273 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the press hand-operated?this Steam-operated? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1582 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the problem be with the crank (or however the person operates the press)? With the roller (I may have just made that up, but I hope you know what I mean)? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2277 Registered: 6-2006 |
Would the problem be with the crank (or however the person operates the press)? With the roller (I may have just made that up, but I hope you know what I mean)? neither, and yes the press has several rollers. Nor does it affect the flywheel or treadle, which is how the pinter operates the press... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1593 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the problem with the..."thing that presses the paper"? With the type? (That's about all I know; Google hasn't been the greatest of help to me today.) | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2279 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the problem with the..."thing that presses the paper"? With the type? this (That's about all I know; Google hasn't been the greatest of help to me today.) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1598 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does it wear the type down? Make it stick together? Does it prevent the type from being used in the future? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2282 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does it wear the type down?yes Make it stick together?no Does it prevent the type from being used in the future?yope | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2283 Registered: 6-2006 |
There's just one thing left before I'll consider this solved. Exactly what is it about the embossed printing that makes it desired despite it being considered a sign of improper printing that can damage the type? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1616 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it the fact that people can feel the print? So it might be helpful to blind people? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2286 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is it the fact that people can feel the print?this is part of it... So it might be helpful to blind people?but no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1617 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they like the feel of the print? Does embossing make the text "stand out"? Easier to read? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1809 Registered: 7-2009 |
Do they want something with a vintage look (old and kind of damaged)? Does the embossing also kind of smear the ink on the page? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2288 Registered: 6-2006 |
Do they like the feel of the print?yes, but WHY Does embossing make the text "stand out"?well, yes, but WHY Easier to read?no Do they want something with a vintage look (old and kind of damaged)?no, but close-ish Does the embossing also kind of smear the ink on the page?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1651 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it because it better fits the romantic nature of a wedding? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2294 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is it because it better fits the romantic nature of a wedding?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1658 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would people be more likely to keep the invitations as a memento? I tried asking my mom this...she just said because it was fancier, but I think that was already guessed. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2299 Registered: 6-2006 |
Would people be more likely to keep the invitations as a memento?irrel I tried asking my mom this...she just said because it was fancier, but I think that was already guessed.indeed it was. i think you're making this more complicated than it really is... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1769 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it just because the embossed invitations look nicer? And I do have a tendency to overcomplicate things...sigh | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2304 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is it just because the embossed invitations look nicer? same answer as fancier... this is part of it but not the crux of it And I do have a tendency to overcomplicate things...sigh don't we all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1773 Registered: 4-2010 |
So I think this is a list of the things that are "part of it": -The invites look nicer/fancier. -They sell better. -One can feel the print. This all good? Does embossing change the thickness of the paper? Would this work for other things besides wedding invitations? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2307 Registered: 6-2006 |
So I think this is a list of the things that are "part of it": -The invites look nicer/fancier. -They sell better. -One can feel the print. This all good? all good Does embossing change the thickness of the paper?in the places that it's embossed, yes. This is irrelevant though Would this work for other things besides wedding invitations? Yes, it could apply equally to stationery, cards, business cards, etc. I just happened to be printing a wedding invitation the day I posted the puzzle | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2407 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does the embossing change some relevant property of the paper? Such as stiffness? Shape (except for the embossing itself)? Relevant that one can feel the print on money as well? Is it the feel that is the relevant property? Will people handle the embossed prints differently in any relevant way? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1784 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the embossing make the invites look more professional? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2311 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the embossing change some relevant property of the paper? no Such as stiffness? no Shape (except for the embossing itself)? no Relevant that one can feel the print on money as well?not really Is it the feel that is the relevant property?yope Will people handle the embossed prints differently in any relevant way?irrel Does the embossing make the invites look more professional?irrel | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2312 Registered: 6-2006 |
HINT: The quality you are looking for could be described as what it is NOT as easily as what it IS | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1809 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the embossing emphasize the colored ink on the white paper? Making the text more readable or something? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2315 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the embossing emphasize the colored ink on the white paper? Making the text more readable or something?no to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1814 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the quality mostly involved with the look of the embossed paper? With the feel? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2319 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the quality mostly involved with the look of the embossed paper? With the feel? equally both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1821 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does it allow the invites to stack better? Do the customers prefer the embossed invites to non-embossed? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2321 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does it allow the invites to stack better?no Do the customers prefer the embossed invites to non-embossed?yes. (I thought we had established this. there's just the matter of WHY they prefer them...) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2446 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do they prefer embossed because it's not like the normal, cheap stuff? Because it looks expensive? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1815 Registered: 7-2009 |
Do they prefer the embossed ones because they're harder to duplicate? (i.e. embossing can't just be photocopied) | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2324 Registered: 6-2006 |
Do they prefer embossed because it's not like the normal, cheap stuff?yope... Because it looks expensive? noish Do they prefer the embossed ones because they're harder to duplicate?} (i.e. embossing can't just be photocopied)no, but, you're really really close with the photocopying part... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1916 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the embossing make a difference when the invitation is folded? And sent in the mail? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2327 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the embossing make a difference when the invitation is folded? And sent in the mail? no and no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1929 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is transmission of the invitations relevant? (i.e. faxing) Am I overcomplicating things again? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2329 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is transmission of the invitations relevant? (i.e. faxing) no Am I overcomplicating things again? yes. haha | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1930 Registered: 4-2010 |
Yeah...I'm gonna just go to bed now, and knowing my luck, someone'll step in and solve this one while I'm asleep. But my brain's frying anyway, so just one more set of questions.... Did you emboss all the invitations this way? Or just one? Does it make the invitations more ornate? Unique? Intricate? ] WARNING: problem #13846 detected: brain_info_overload ] WARNING: problem #97324 detected: lateral_overload ] WARNING: problem #21055 detected: puzzle_overload ] emergency-shutdown activated ] emergency-shutdown loading... ] ... ] emergency-shutdown complete *FZZT* | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2332 Registered: 6-2006 |
Yeah...I'm gonna just go to bed now, and knowing my luck, someone'll step in and solve this one while I'm asleep. But my brain's frying anyway, so just one more set of questions.... Did you emboss all the invitations this way?yes Or just one? no Does it make the invitations more ornate?no Unique?yes....in what way?!?! You're running circles around it. Intricate? no ] WARNING: problem #13846 detected: brain_info_overload ] WARNING: problem #97324 detected: lateral_overload ] WARNING: problem #21055 detected: puzzle_overload ] emergency-shutdown activated ] emergency-shutdown loading... ] ... ] emergency-shutdown complete *FZZT* hahaha hilarious | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1963 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was this the only set of invitations/other stationery you printed like this? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2333 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was this the only set of invitations/other stationery you printed like this?no, it's very common for me to do this. i did it again yesterday, in fact. business cards this time | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1969 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is every piece of stationery embossed in the exact same way? Do consumers prefer the embossed stationery? I feel like the penguin travelling southwest to the South Pole: always circling closer and closer, but never actually reaching it. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2336 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is every piece of stationery embossed in the exact same way?not all, but a large portion Do consumers prefer the embossed stationery? typically yes I feel like the penguin travelling southwest to the South Pole: always circling closer and closer, but never actually reaching it. I feel like after all this work the answer is going to be a let down. There's 2 words you could say that haven't been said that would wrap this sucker up. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1974 Registered: 4-2010 |
Let's see......... Does the embossing make the invitations look prettier? (I think we've established that it's close to "fancy" and "unique," but those weren't exactly it, so....) | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2339 Registered: 6-2006 |
Let's see......... Does the embossing make the invitations look prettier?not this (I think we've established that it's close to "fancy" and "unique," but those weren't exactly it, so....) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1976 Registered: 4-2010 |
"Ornate"? Is the word "design" involved? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2340 Registered: 6-2006 |
"Ornate"? Is the word "design" involved?no and no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1978 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they look more intricate? Detailed? Is the detail emphasized by the embossing? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2343 Registered: 6-2006 |
Do they look more intricate? Detailed? Is the detail emphasized by the embossing? no to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1979 Registered: 4-2010 |
...And just for the sake of combining them: "Intricate detail"? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1980 Registered: 4-2010 |
OK, how about..."layered"? "Textured"? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2344 Registered: 6-2006 |
...And just for the sake of combining them: "Intricate detail"?nope OK, how about..."layered"?no "Textured"?no... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1983 Registered: 4-2010 |
Brain...shutting...down... How about "professional" (even though I think I tried that already...I can't remember anymore)? "Funique"? "Delicate"? "Fangoriously"? "Gelatinous"? "Linebacker"? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2348 Registered: 6-2006 |
How about "professional" (even though I think I tried that already...I can't remember anymore)? "Funique"? "Delicate"? "Fangoriously"? "Gelatinous"? "Linebacker"? haha. no to all. BIG HINT: This puzzle would be completely impossible 100 years ago, and very unlikely before the 1990s. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1987 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is mass-production relevant? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2349 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is mass-production relevant?yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1994 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the embossing make the invites/other stationery look more hand-made than machine-made? Are embossed invites rarer/less likely to be found than non-embossed? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2353 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the embossing make the invites/other stationery look more hand-made than machine-made?PRECISELY! Are embossed invites rarer/less likely to be found than non-embossed? I work at a letterpress shop. Letterpress has been around since Gutenburg, and until the 20th century was the main type of commercial printing. Offset printing and eventually (and even more importantly) digital printing, changed this. Letterpress is an old craft now, the few presses still manufactured are fully automated, plates are made from polymer instead of old movable type... But there is a recent resurgence of craft letterpress. People like to get letterpress printed invitations, business cards, stationery, etc, because they are not mass produced, flat, generic stuff that they could make using a home computer and printer. It's the handmade quality that you get from letterpress that people want. Unfortunately now-a-days, people associate letterpress with deeply impressed/embossed type and image. If you ask any old master, he will tell you that for centuries it was considered a sign of bad printing to have more than a very minimal impression in the paper. Letterpresses and letterpress inks are made to just kiss the paper enough to transfer an ink layer... and using too much pressure can damage the old movable lead type. If you try to give most customers a letterpress job without a deep impression though, the general reaction is that this defeats the purpose of paying the extra money for the hand-made, fine-art quality, and that they might as well go to an offset printer. A shame, but the general trend now is that letterpress=embossing. (I'll admit, it does look nice, and new fancy photo-polymer plates mean you don't have to damage that valuable lead type to do it) Not to advertise or anything, but if you want to check out the kind of stuff I'm printing, check out Kathryn (my friend and boss, the one-woman show at the small shop) 's website: www.blackbirdletterpress.com | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1999 Registered: 4-2010 |
Finally! That took too darn long. Still, great puzzle! I checked out the website...very impressive. And don't forget the big "S" word.... | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2357 Registered: 6-2006 |
How coud I forget? Odd ***** SPOILER ******* |
