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They hoped to gain something valuable, but lost their chance out of fear.
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Something=a physical object? money? an emotion? a skill or knowledge?
Fear of something that wanted to stop them from gaining this "something" ? a person? animal? natural phenomenon? something caused by humans?
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Something=a physical object? This. money? an emotion? a skill or knowledge?
Fear of something that wanted to stop them from gaining this "something" ? No. a person? This, or persons. animal? natural phenomenon? something caused by humans?
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Is it fear of a specific few people/person, or all people with a certain quality?
Is the object only nominally valuable? or does it contain rare materials?
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Is it fear of a specific few people/person, A specific few... or all people with a certain quality? ... but they all do have a certain quality.
Is the object only nominally valuable? It's not necessarily intrinsically valuable, but there are several reasons people might want it. or does it contain rare materials? Possibly, but unlikely.
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Is a ladder involved? A long one? They=HAM? Number fo them relevant? They=their? Was the fear rational? Did they fear: Injury? Death? Ridicule? Did the people they feared want them to not get the object? Do they own it? Or defend it? Are they competing for it?
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Is a ladder involved? Not necessarily. Is so, only mildly. A long one? No. They=HAM? Yes. Number fo them relevant? No. They=their? Yes. Was the fear rational? Yes. Did they fear: Injury? Death? Ridicule? None of these, really, though the latter two may factor into it. Did the people they feared want them to not get the object? Not necessarily. Do they own it? No. Or defend it? No. Are they competing for it? The people who want it? Yes.
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Relevant what the object it? Is it a prize? Are they competing in a tournament? Are they afraid of losing? Are they a team? Or competing agaist each other? Are they H? A? M? How about the people they're afraid of? Is this a true story? Is the military relevant? Or aviation?
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Relevant what the object is? Yes. Is it a prize? No. Are they competing in a tournament? No. Are they afraid of losing? No. Are they a team? No. Or competing against each other? Yesish. Are they H? A? M? Assume yes to all, though a few might be child or female. How about the people they're afraid of? HAM. Is this a true story? Maybe. Parts of it, anyway. Is the military relevant? No. Or aviation? No.
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If they had gained it, would: one of them get it? Some of them get it? All of them? It is one object, correct? Did someone else get it?
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If they had gained it, would: one of them get it? This. Some of them get it? All of them? It is one object, correct? Yes. Did someone else get it? No.
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Were they digging for something? Were they superstitious?
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Were they digging for something? No. Were they superstitious? Doubtful.
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Is the item made of metal? Glass? Plastic? Wood? Plaster? Paper? Cloth? Cardboard? Other?
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Is the item made of metal? Glass? Plastic? Wood? This. Plaster? Paper? Cloth? Cardboard? Other? And a little of this.
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Were they afraid of the items, as well as the others? Can the item easily be carried? Is it bigger than a toaster?
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Check that - "items" should be in the singular.
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Were they afraid of the items No., as well as the others? Can the item easily be carried? Yes. Is it bigger than a toaster? Depends on the toaster -- generally about the same size.
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Is it a container of some sort? A box?
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Is it a container of some sort? No. A box?
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Is the item solid? Hollow? A statue? Other likeness? Is it carved? Ornately? Is the wood painted? If so, relevant which color?
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Is the item solid? Hollow? Yes. A statue? No. Other likeness? No. Is it carved? Yes. Ornately? Assume yes. Is the wood painted? I doubt it. If so, relevant which color? No.
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Is the item an idol? A totem pole?
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Is the item an idol? A totem pole? Neither.
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Can the object be called a: treasure? Trinket? Symbol? Is it unique? well known? To get it, would they have to go and retrieve it? If so, relevant how far they would have to go? Relevant when this happened? Was it destroyed in the end?
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Can the object be called a: treasure? Maybe this, but unlikely. Trinket? Symbol? Is it unique? Yesish. well known? No. To get it, would they have to go and retrieve it? Yes. If so, relevant how far they would have to go? Vaguely. Relevant when this happened? Yes. Was it destroyed in the end? Yes.
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Relevant how the item was destroyed? Did it hold special meaning to the ones who wanted to retrieve it? To those who were feared? Were the "feared ones" guarding it?

Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? On [LTPF list of continents]?
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Relevant how the item was destroyed? Yes. Did it hold special meaning to the ones who wanted to retrieve it? Possibly. To those who were feared? Were the "feared ones" guarding it?

Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 18th. On [LTPF list of continents]? Europe.
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Was the item destroyed by fire? Breaking apart? Explosion? Freezing/shattering? Cut into pieces?
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Was the item destroyed by fire? Breaking apart? This. Explosion? Freezing/shattering? Cut into pieces?
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Was it smashed with a blunt object? Did it fall from a height?
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Was it smashed with a blunt object? Noish. Did it fall from a height? No.
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Was it smashed against a floor? Wall? Street? Did someone throw it against said something?
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Was it smashed against a floor? Wall? Street? Did someone throw it against said something? None of these.
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Was it smashed? Chopped? Blended?
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Was it smashed? This. Chopped? Blended?

Blooper: IIRC, I could say "Yes" to being smashed against a blunt object.
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Was it struck with something? Did it strike something? The ground? A house?
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Was it struck with something? Did it strike something? This. The ground? A house? Neither.
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Did it hit a large object? Larger than a house? A room? A toaster? A baseball?
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Did it hit a large object? Larger than a house? A room? A toaster? About this size. A baseball?
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Is the object it hit made of metal? Stone? Wood? Plastic?
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Is the object it hit made of metal? Stone? This. And that's all it is, just a stone. Wood? Plastic?
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Was the object dropped onto the stone? Did it fall? Accidentally? Thrown?
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Was the object dropped onto the stone? Did it fall? Accidentally? Thrown? None of these.
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Was the item destroyed in a "sacred" way? That would hold meaning to the group trying to get it? The group that was feared?
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Was the item destroyed in a "sacred" way? No. That would hold meaning to the group trying to get it? The group that was feared?
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Does the object contain something? Which is lost when the object smashes?
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Does the object contain something? No. Which is lost when the object smashes?
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Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? On [LTPF list of continents]? True story?
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Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 18th. On [LTPF list of continents]? Europe. True story? Yope.
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Did it happen in [LTPF list of European countries]?
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Did it happen in [LTPF list of European countries]? Scotland.
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Are particular clans relevant? Is one group a certain clan? Is the other a rival clan?
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Are particular clans relevant? No. Is one group a certain clan? Is the other a rival clan?
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Is the gender of the groups relevant? Age?
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Is the gender of the groups relevant? Yes. Age? Yes.
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Is Group 1 (the "they" in the puzzle statement) human? Adult? Male? Group 2 (the feared group): Human? Adult? Male?
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Is Group 1 (the "they" in the puzzle statement) human? Adult? Male? Group 2 (the feared group): Human? Adult? Male? Assume yes to all; though a few of "they" might have been female this is irrelevant.
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Does Group 1 consist of young men? Middle-aged? Old? Ditto for Group 2?
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Does Group 1 consist of young men? Middle-aged? Old? Could be any of these. Ditto for Group 2? Most likely young to middle-aged.
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Are any of the groups royalty? Upper-class? Middle-class? Lower-class? Is a castle relevant?
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Are any of the groups royalty? Upper-class? Middle-class? Assume middle to lower class. Lower-class? Is a castle relevant? No.
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Is one group tenants, and the other landlords? Some other "lord"-ish system?
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Is one group tenants, and the other landlords? No. Some other "lord"-ish system? It is semi-feudal, but largely irrelevant.
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Are any of the people in the groups related? Is one group related to the other?
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Are any of the people in the groups related? Is one group related to the other? No to both.
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To get the object, would group 1 have to: fight group 2? Pay them? Befriend them? Speak to them? Avoid them? Beat them at something? Pay them? Steal from them? Hurt them? Annoy them? Help them?
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To get the object, would group 1 have to: fight group 2? Pay them? Befriend them? Speak to them? Avoid them? Beat them at something? Pay them? Steal from them? Hurt them? Annoy them? This. Help them?
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Would they annoy them by: making noise? Waking them at night? Being on their land? Or water? Making light? Smell? Being in their way? Taking up some resource? Disturbing their animals? Or other animals? Are animals involved at all?
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Would they annoy them by: making noise? Waking them at night? Being on their land? Or water? Making light? Smell? Being in their way? Possibly a very small influence here. Taking up some resource? Disturbing their animals? Or other animals? Are animals involved at all? No to all the rest.
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Would the annoyance involve physical interaction between the groups? Loud noise? Something seen?
Would the annoyance leave obvious signs?
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Would the annoyance involve physical interaction between the groups? Unlikely. Loud noise? Possibly. Something seen? Yes.
Would the annoyance leave obvious signs? Afterwards? No.
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Is Group 1 putting something up? Taking something down? Going onto Group 2's land? Farming relevant?
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Is Group 1 putting something up? Taking something down? Going onto Group 2's land? Not unlikely. Farming relevant? No to others.
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Is Group 1 doing something to Group 2's land? Vandalizing it? Reclaiming the object? Was the object stolen by Group 2? Is it a bucket?
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Is Group 1 doing something to Group 2's land? Vandalizing it? Reclaiming the object? Was the object stolen by Group 2? Is it a bucket? No to all.
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Is Group 1 just trespassing on the land? Meeting on it? Having a party? Trying to find something?
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Is Group 1 just trespassing on the land? No. Meeting on it? Sort of. Having a party? No, but... Trying to find something? No.
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Are they having a celebration on the land? A ceremony? Wedding? Funeral? Church service?
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Are they having a celebration on the land? A ceremony? Wedding? Funeral? OTRT. Church service?
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Has someone died? Human? Animal? And they are burying them? A memorial service?
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Has someone died? Not quite. Human? Yes. Animal? And they are burying them? A memorial service? None of these.
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Is the person sick? Close to death? Is Group 1 trying to make them better? Is the "I'm-not-dead-yet!" person part of Group 1?
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Is the person sick? No. Close to death? Yes. Is Group 1 trying to make them better? No. Is the "I'm-not-dead-yet!" person part of Group 1? No.
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Is the person in danger? Part of Group 2?
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Is the person in danger? Yes. Part of Group 2? No.
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Is the person trying to retrieve the object? In danger from other people? From Group 2? From animals? From a natural disaster? Could they have saved the person by retrieving the object?
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Is the person dying? HAM? Injured? Sick? Old? Poisoned?
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Is the person trying to retrieve the object? No. In danger from other people? Yes. From Group 2? Yes. From animals? From a natural disaster? Could they have saved the person by retrieving the object? No to the rest.

Is the person dying? No, but... HAM? Yes. Injured? Sick? Old? Poisoned?
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Is Group 2 trying to kill the person for a crime? Trying to execute him? Because he's a member of Group 1? Does Group 1 succeed in the rescue?
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Is Group 2 trying to kill the person for a crime? Yes. Trying to execute him? Yes. Because he's a member of Group 1? No. Does Group 1 succeed in the rescue? FA.
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Is Group 1 trying to rescue the person when they go onto the land? Did the person commit the crime against Group 2? A member of Group 2? Was it [LTPF list of crimes]?
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Is Group 1 trying to rescue the person when they go onto the land? No. Did the person commit the crime against Group 2? Yesish. A member of Group 2? Possibly. Was it [LTPF list of crimes]? Highway robbery.
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Is the person in the custody of: group 1? Group 2? Neither? Is the person and getting the item related? Or is only the person and the fear of group 2 related? Are group 1 protecting the person? Keeping him hidden?
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Is the person in the custody of: group 1? Group 2? This. Neither? Is the person and getting the item related? Yes. Or is only the person and the fear of group 2 related? Are group 1 protecting the person? Keeping him hidden? Neither.
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Is Group 1 trying to steal the object and hold it as ransom?
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Is Group 1 trying to steal the object and hold it as ransom? No.
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In the end, is the person out of the custody of Group 2? Has he died?
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In the end, is the person out of the custody of Group 2? Technically. Has he died? Yes.
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Is he killed in the manner Group 2 intended? Or was it as a consequence of Group 1's "invasion"? Was the object destroyed before he was killed? After? At the same time? Did the object fall on him?
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Is he killed in the manner Group 2 intended? Yes. Or was it as a consequence of Group 1's "invasion"? No. Was the object destroyed before he was killed? Yes. After? At the same time? Did the object fall on him? No.
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Did Group 2 destroy the object? Did the person killed try to escape? Did he accidentally destroy the object? While trying to escape?
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Did Group 2 destroy the object? Did the person killed try to escape? Did he accidentally destroy the object? While trying to escape? No to all.
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Was the object destroyed accidentally? Intentionally? By Group 1? By the person?
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Was the object destroyed accidentally? Intentionally? This. By Group 1? By the person? This.
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Hint: This is another folk-music puzzle, and thus has its own rules of logic...
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Was the object used to try and fight off Group 1? Is the object a musical instrument?
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Was the object used to try and fight off Group 1? No. Is the object a musical instrument? Yes.
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Is it a guitar? Is the folk song played on the instrument? Is the instrument being retrieved for the purposes of playing the song?
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Is it a guitar? No. Is the folk song played on the instrument? Yes. Is the instrument being retrieved for the purposes of playing the song? No, but...
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Is the instrument a stringed instrument? Woodwind? Brass? Percussion? Bagpipes? A piano? Other keyboard-type instrument? Is a song intended to be played on it? Is the song about the instrument?
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Is the instrument a stringed instrument? This. Woodwind? Brass? Percussion? Bagpipes? A piano? Other keyboard-type instrument? Is a song intended to be played on it? Yes. Is the song about the instrument? Partly.
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Is it a violin? Banjo? Viola? Cello? Double bass? Tissue-box-with-rubber-bands-and-a-paper-towel-tube?
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Is it a violin? A fiddle, but they're interchangeable. Banjo? Viola? Cello? Double bass? Tissue-box-with-rubber-bands-and-a-paper-towel-tube?
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Did the person have the fiddle in his possession when he was captured by Group 2? Did Group 2, in fact, capture him? Did he hit someone with the fiddle?
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Did the person have the fiddle in his possession when he was captured by Group 2? Yes. Did Group 2, in fact, capture him? Yes. Did he hit someone with the fiddle? No.
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Did the person play the fiddle during his captivity? Did the sound tell Group 1 where to find him? Did he play the fiddle well? Poorly? Did Group 2 kill him because he couldn't play music well?
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Did the person play the fiddle during his captivity? Yes. Did the sound tell Group 1 where to find him? No. Did he play the fiddle well? This. Poorly? Did Group 2 kill him because he couldn't play music well? No.
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Did Group 2 delay killing him because of how well he played? Did the person's fiddling "inspire" the specific folk song (using folk song logic, of course)?
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Did Group 2 delay killing him because of how well he played? No. Did the person's fiddling "inspire" the specific folk song (using folk song logic, of course)? Yes, part of it anyway.
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Did the person steal the fiddle? From Group 2? Is the person the last one to hold the fiddle?
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Did the person steal the fiddle? No. From Group 2? Is the person the last one to hold the fiddle? Yes.
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Is this recap correct:
A skilled fiddle player is held by group 2, awaiting execution for highway robbery. He has his fiddle with him and is playing it while awaiting death. Group 1 want to get their hands on his valuable fiddle, but because they're afraid of group 2 they fail to do so. Before being executed, the fiddler smashes his fiddle on a rock.
Does the fiddler want group 1 to get the fiddle? Does he want to prevent group 2 from getting it? Does he want to prevent anyone from getting it? Did he make the fiddle? Relevant? Is the method of execution relevant?
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Is he held in a tower? Would a long ladder would be needed to reach him and retrieve the fiddle?
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Is this recap correct:
A skilled fiddle player is held by group 2, awaiting execution for highway robbery. He has his fiddle with him and is playing it while awaiting death. Group 1 want to get their hands on his valuable fiddle, but because they're afraid of group 2 they fail to do so. Before being executed, the fiddler smashes his fiddle on a rock.

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Does the fiddler want group 1 to get the fiddle? No, but... Does he want to prevent group 2 from getting it? No. Does he want to prevent anyone from getting it? Yes. Did he make the fiddle? Irr. Relevant? Is the method of execution relevant? Mildly.

Is he held in a tower? Would a long ladder would be needed to reach him and retrieve the fiddle? No to both.
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Is the fiddle player held in a dungeon? Prison? Other cell of some sort? Is he guarded? Relevant? Is the fiddle relevant to the crime?
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Is the fiddle player held in a dungeon? Prison? Other cell of some sort? None of these. Is he guarded? Yes. Relevant? Yope. Is the fiddle relevant to the crime? No.
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Is he under the careful watch of guards? Is he held captive indoors? Does Group 2 listen to his fiddling? Do they like it?

Was Group 1 afraid of all of Group 2? Or only a select few? Or a majority?
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Is he under the careful watch of guards? Yes. Is he held captive indoors? No. Does Group 2 listen to his fiddling? Do they like it? Yope.

Was Group 1 afraid of all of Group 2? Irr. Or only a select few? Or a majority?
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Will the fiddler be: hanged? Shot? Stoned? Drowned? Buried alive? Eaten by animals? Drawn and quartered? Burned at the stake? Crucified? Poisoned? Beheaded? Is there one or a few individuals in group 1 that want the fiddle? And they have enlisted the help of the whole group? Are any of them relatives of the fiddler? Or friends? are any of them also fiddlers? Does the fiddler want to prevent a specific person from getting the fiddle? Does group 1 share this goal? And the fiddle is smashed as a last resort, when they fail? Did the fiddler himself enlist group 1 to rescue his fiddle?
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Will the fiddler be: hanged? This. Shot? Stoned? Drowned? Buried alive? Eaten by animals? Drawn and quartered? Burned at the stake? Crucified? Poisoned? Beheaded? Is there one or a few individuals in group 1 that want the fiddle? More, but you're right in that not everyone in group 1 wants it. And they have enlisted the help of the whole group? No. Are any of them relatives of the fiddler? Or friends? Possibly. are any of them also fiddlers? Yes. Does the fiddler want to prevent a specific person from getting the fiddle? Specific people. Does group 1 share this goal? No. And the fiddle is smashed as a last resort, when they fail? Yes. Did the fiddler himself enlist group 1 to rescue his fiddle? No, but OTRT.
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Did the fiddler enlist someone to get the fiddle? Or did someone close to the fiddler do it? Does the fiddler want to prevent people from group 2 from getting the fiddle? Someone else? Is the executioner involved? Will a relative of the fiddler get the fiddle? An enemy?
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Did the fiddler enlist someone to get the fiddle? Yope. Or did someone close to the fiddler do it? No. Does the fiddler want to prevent people from group 2 from getting the fiddle? Irr. Someone else? Yes. Is the executioner involved? No. Will a relative of the fiddler get the fiddle? Eventually. An enemy? No.

Hint: The fiddler's motives change in the course of the story.
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Does the fiddler, at first, want someone to have the fiddle? Does he ever want someone to have it? Does the relative get the (smashed) fiddle after the execution? Is the intent of the fiddling to delay the execution?
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Does the fiddler, at first, want someone to have the fiddle? Yes. Does he ever want someone to have it? Yes. Does the relative get the (smashed) fiddle after the execution? Yes. Is the intent of the fiddling to delay the execution? No.
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Does the fiddler want the relative to have it? Throughout the entire story? Or just at the start? Is there a purpose to the fiddling, other than to pass the time?
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Does the fiddler want the relative to have it? Irr. Throughout the entire story? Or just at the start? Is there a purpose to the fiddling, other than to pass the time? Oh, yes.

I should mention that while the relatives eventually got the wrecked instrument (he was Scottish, and it's in his clan museum), how they came to have it is unknown and irrelevant, as they weren't there at the time. Hint: Ask the above questions again, but this time referring to Group 1.
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Does the fiddler want Group 1 to have it? Throughout the entire story? Or just at the start? Is the specific song(s) that was/were fiddled relevant?
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Does the fiddler want Group 1 to have it? Not anymore. Throughout the entire story? No. Or just at the start? Yes. Is the specific song(s) that was/were fiddled relevant? Yes, and I'll post part of it at the end.
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Did the fiddler hear of Group 1's plan to steal the fiddle? Is that why he smashed it? To prevent Group 1 from getting it?
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Did the fiddler hear of Group 1's plan to steal the fiddle? FA. Is that why he smashed it? No. To prevent Group 1 from getting it? Yes.
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Did Group 1 plan to steal the fiddle? Acquire it in some other way? Was there a plan to acquire the fiddle?
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Did Group 1 plan to steal the fiddle? No. Acquire it in some other way? Yes. Was there a plan to acquire the fiddle? As in a series of steps? No.
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Did Group 1 plan to infiltrate Group 2? Join them? Were they planning to steal it, period? From Group 2? Get them to give it to them? Get the fiddler to hand it over? To buy it?
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Did Group 1 plan to infiltrate Group 2? No. Join them? No. Were they planning to steal it, period? No. From Group 2? Get them to give it to them? No. Get the fiddler to hand it over? Yes. To buy it? Though this was their original intention.
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Was Group 1 only afraid of Group 2? Or the fiddler as well?
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Was Group 1 only afraid of Group 2? Yes. Or the fiddler as well? No.
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Were they afraid of being spotted by Group 2? Being captured? As they went to get the fiddle?
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Were they afraid of being spotted by Group 2? Being captured? As they went to get the fiddle? None of these.
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Were they afraid of death? Of capture of any sort? Of not getting the fiddle?
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Were they afraid of death? Unlikely. Of capture of any sort? Possibly, for svv of "capture." Of not getting the fiddle? No.
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Afraid of getting found out?
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Afraid of getting found out? Not quite, but OTRT.
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Did Group 2 want the fiddle as well? Did the fiddler plan on giving up his fiddle? Before his death? After? Did Group 2 ever believe they would have the fiddle at any point?
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Did Group 2 want the fiddle as well? No. Did the fiddler plan on giving up his fiddle? Yes. Before his death? This. After? No. Did Group 2 ever believe they would have the fiddle at any point? No.
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Was the fiddler planning to give the fiddle to his relative? Was the relative delayed? So in order to prevent someone else from getting it, he smashed it?
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Was the fiddler planning to give the fiddle to his relative? No. Was the relative delayed? Irr. So in order to prevent someone else from getting it, he smashed it? Something like that.
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Was he planning on giving it to Group 1? Group 2? Someone in one of those groups? A third (or fourth, or fifth, or whatever number we're on) party?
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Was he planning on giving it to Group 1? Group 2? Someone in one of those groups? Someone in Group 1. A third (or fourth, or fifth, or whatever number we're on) party?
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Was the "someone in Group 1" one of those who planned to get the fiddle? Did the fiddler think he was?
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Was the "someone in Group 1" one of those who planned to get the fiddle? Yes. Did the fiddler think he was? FA.
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Did the fiddler ever know about the plan to get the fiddle? If so, was he told about it? Did he hear "through the grapevine"? Did he overhear the group discussing it?

Does anyone in Group 1 die over the course of events? Group 2?
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Did the fiddler ever know about the plan to get the fiddle? Yes. If so, was he told about it? Did he hear "through the grapevine"? Did he overhear the group discussing it? While all are likely, this is most relevant.

Does anyone in Group 1 die over the course of events? Group 2? No to both.
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So the fiddler first wanted group 1 to get the fiddle? But later changed his mind? Did he change his mind because they were cowards? If he hadn't smashed the fiddle, would group 1 have gotten it?
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So the fiddler first wanted group 1 to get the fiddle? Yes. But later changed his mind? Yes. Did he change his mind because they were cowards? Yes, but there's more to it than that. If he hadn't smashed the fiddle, would group 1 have gotten it? Yes.
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Did Group 1 actually reach the fiddler? But changed their mind about getting it?
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Did Group 1 actually reach the fiddler? They had the opportunity. But changed their mind about getting it? Yes.
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Did they change their mind because of the guards? Were they afraid of losing the fiddle? To the guards?
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Did they change their mind because of the guards? Yes, and... Were they afraid of losing the fiddle? To the guards? No to both.
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The guards and...something else dangerous? Something they perceived as dangerous? An animal? A trick? Did they make fools of themselves?
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The guards and...something else dangerous? Yesish; look out for an FA. Something they perceived as dangerous? Yes. An animal? A trick? Did they make fools of themselves? No to the rest.
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Was the something else: a person? An object? Several people? Or objects? Weapons? Something the gaurds had? A rumor? Physical obstacles? Were they afraid of heights?
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Was the something else: a person? An object? Several people? Or objects? Weapons? Something the gaurds had? A rumor? Physical obstacles? Were they afraid of heights? None of these.
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A noise? Weather? The Dread Pirate Roberts? Fire? Animal(s)?
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A noise? Weather? The Dread Pirate Roberts? Fire? Animal(s)? No to all.
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Was the something else: an idea? Something intangible? An action? Is a phobia relevant?
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Was the something else: an idea? Something intangible? An action? This. Is a phobia relevant? No.
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Was the action happening at that time? Was it being done by Group 2? The fiddler? The guards? Group 1? Was the action being done at the time? Did it happen in the future? Were they afraid the action would happen in the future?
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Was the action happening at that time? Yes. Was it being done by Group 2? No. The fiddler? Yes. The guards? No. Group 1? No. Was the action being done at the time? Yes. Did it happen in the future? Yes, though not under the same circumstances. Were they afraid the action would happen in the future? No.
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Did the fiddler use the fiddle to do it? Did he play the fiddle? Make creepy noises?
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Did the fiddler use the fiddle to do it? Yes. Did he play the fiddle? Yes. Make creepy noises? No.
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Were they afraid of the music? The fiddler's style of playing? Was the fiddler good? Very good? Maybe Group 1 thought, "Oh wow, we're never gonna be that good, so why don't we just get out of here"?
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Were they afraid of the music? The fiddler's style of playing? Was the fiddler good? Yes. Very good? Yes. Maybe Group 1 thought, "Oh wow, we're never gonna be that good, so why don't we just get out of here"? No to the rest.
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Were they afraid of playing the fiddle? Of the fiddler's playing the fiddle? Of some action involving the fiddler?
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Were they afraid of playing the fiddle? This. Of the fiddler's playing the fiddle? Of some action involving the fiddler?
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Were they afraid that if they played the fiddle, the fiddler's fate would befall them? That people would hate them? That they would not be able too? Is a curse relevant?
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Were they afraid that if they played the fiddle, the fiddler's fate would befall them? Not quite, but OTRT. That people would hate them? No. That they would not be able too? No. Is a curse relevant? Not really.
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Were they afraid that something would happen if they played the fiddle? Something bad?
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Were they afraid that something would happen if they played the fiddle? Something bad? Yes to both.
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Were they afraid if they played the fiddle, they would die? Be killed? Get arrested? By Group 2?
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Were they afraid if they played the fiddle, they would die? Be killed? Get arrested? This. By Group 2? Yes.
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So Group 1 had a chance to get the fiddler from the fiddle, but chose not to because they were afraid Group 2 would arrest them, correct? Did they know what the fiddler had been arrested for? Or did they think he'd been arrested for playing the fiddle?
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So Group 1 had a chance to get the fiddle from the fiddler, but chose not to because they were afraid Group 2 would arrest them, correct? Yes. Did they know what the fiddler had been arrested for? Yes. Or did they think he'd been arrested for playing the fiddle? No.
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Were they afraid that Group 2 would realize they'd stolen the fiddle, and hence arrest them for that? Or would the (potentially believed) charge of arrest have simply been playing the fiddle?
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Whoops - change "realize" to "believe" in the last post.
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Were they afraid that Group 2 would believe they'd stolen the fiddle, and hence arrest them for that? Or would the (potentially believed) charge of arrest have simply been playing the fiddle? This.
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Was fiddling illegal amohg Group 2? In their territory? All music?
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Was fiddling illegal among Group 2? In their territory? All music? No to all.
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Did Group 2 move up the fiddler's execution date because of his fiddling? Postpone it? In the scenario that Group 1 feared, would they have been arrested and: imprisoned? Executed? Relevant?
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Did Group 2 move up the fiddler's execution date because of his fiddling? No. Postpone it? No. In the scenario that Group 1 feared, would they have been arrested and: imprisoned? Possibly. Executed? Probably not. Relevant? No.
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Lemme try a recap...

First, the earlier one:

"A skilled fiddle player is held by Group 2, awaiting execution for highway robbery. He has his fiddle with him and is playing it while awaiting death. Group 1 want to get their hands on his valuable fiddle, but because they're afraid of Group 2 they fail to do so. Before being executed, the fiddler smashes his fiddle on a rock."

This has been established to be completely correct. The following information has been also confirmed:

-The fiddler planned to give the fiddle to Group 1 before his death.

-He also knew of Group 1's plan to get the fiddle.

-Group 1 had the opportunity to reach the fiddler, but chose not to.

-One reason for this was fear of the guards, and the other was the fear of being arrested by Group 2 for playing the fiddle.

This correct? What's left to find out?

You earlier said the specific songs fiddled were relevant...is it just one song? More than one? Is the song sung to as well as fiddled? Is it a satire?
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Lemme try a recap...

First, the earlier one:

"A skilled fiddle player is held by Group 2, awaiting execution for highway robbery. He has his fiddle with him and is playing it while awaiting death. Group 1 want to get their hands on his valuable fiddle, but because they're afraid of Group 2 they fail to do so. Before being executed, the fiddler smashes his fiddle on a rock."

This has been established to be completely correct. The following information has been also confirmed:

-The fiddler planned to give the fiddle to Group 1 before his death.

-He also knew of Group 1's plan to get the fiddle.

-Group 1 had the opportunity to reach the fiddler, but chose not to.

-One reason for this was fear of the guards, and the other was the fear of being arrested by Group 2 for playing the fiddle. Hm, Reason 1 seems covered already by Reason 2.

This correct? Yes. What's left to find out?

-Why'd the highwayman want someone to have the fiddle?
-Why'd he destroy it?


You earlier said the specific songs fiddled were relevant...is it just one song? Yes. More than one? Is the song sung to as well as fiddled? Yes. Is it a satire? No.
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Did he destroy it so no one else could have it? Because it was meant specifically for this group? Was it meant as a gift? For the whole group? Part of it? One person? Is the song a folk song? Did he teach the song to the person/persons he was going to give the fiddle to?
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Did he destroy it so no one else could have it? Yes. Because it was meant specifically for this group? Yes. Was it meant as a gift? No. For the whole group? Part of it? One person? This. Is the song a folk song? Yes (though may depend on your definition). Did he teach the song to the person/persons he was going to give the fiddle to? No.
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Blooper:

Did he teach the song to the person/persons he was going to give the fiddle to? Well, yes, but irrelevant.
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Was the person who was going to receive the fiddle part of the group that went to retrieve it (and later turned back)? Did the fiddler think he was? If so, did he assume that the person no longer wanted the fiddle? Hence he smashed it?
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Was the person who was going to receive the fiddle part of the group that went to retrieve it (and later turned back)? Did the fiddler think he was? If so, did he assume that the person no longer wanted the fiddle? Hence he smashed it?
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Was the person who was going to receive the fiddle part of the group that went to retrieve it (and later turned back)? Yes, but there's no specific person. Did the fiddler think he was? Yes. If so, did he assume that the person no longer wanted the fiddle? Members of Group 1 still wanted it, but not badly enough. Hence he smashed it? Not for this reason.
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Did the fiddler no longer think the person was worthy of having the fiddle? Or am I OTWT?
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Did the fiddler no longer think the person was worthy of having the fiddle? Correct. Or am I OTWT? Not at all, but you don't have the whole answer yet either. Getting close though.
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Despite their fear, does Group 1 still want the fiddle? And the fiddler thinks they do not? Do they ever turn back to retrieve it? But by then, it's too late?
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Despite their fear, does Group 1 still want the fiddle? Yes. And the fiddler thinks they do not? Not badly enough, anyway. Do they ever turn back to retrieve it? No. But by then, it's too late?
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So, to summarize:

The fiddler is being held captive by Group 2 for highway robbery, and is awaiting execution. While imprisoned, he plays the fiddle. Meanwhile, Group 1 is planning to get the fiddle from the fiddler. The fiddler is planning to give the fiddle to one of the members of Group 1, and he knows of their plan to get it. However, before reaching the fiddler, Group 1 turns back because they are afraid that if they play the fiddle, Group 2 will arrest them. They still want the fiddle, but are too afraid to try to get it. The fiddler realizes that Group 1 has left (perhaps he even sees this), and, feeling that they are no longer worthy of having the fiddle, he smashes his fiddle on a rock before he is executed. After he dies, his relatives come and retrieve the destroyed fiddle. Naturally, this story is set to a catchy folk tune.

Is this good? What's left to find?
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Close enough, I guess.

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Jamie MacPherson was executed in 1701. He was a well-known fiddler and owned a very fine and valuable instrument. On the gallows he played a tune now known as MacPherson's Rant, or MacPherson's Lament. Verses were added by Sir Walter Scott and Robert Burns, but the original composition is thought to be his own.

The story goes that he played the fiddle on the gallows, then offered it freely to anyone who would play on it for him as he died. Afraid of official repression, no one stepped forward. So cursing them all for cowards, he destroyed the fiddle (Its reputed remains are now in the Clan MacPherson museum).

Two of the verses:

"'There's some come here to see me hung,
And some to buy my fiddle,
But before that I do part with her,
I'll break her through the middle.'

He took his fiddle in both of his hands,
And broke it over a stone,
Cried, 'There's no other hand shall play on thee,
When I am dead and gone.'"

It's a very good example of a "defiance from the gallows" song:

"Oh, what is death, but parting breath?
On many's the bloody plain,
I've dared his face, and in this place,
I'll scorn him yet again."
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Excellent folk song puzzle!

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