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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 2:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Their jumping technique cost many lives.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 3:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jumping = skydiving? Are "they" in the military?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 5:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jumping = skydiving? Yesish. Are "they" in the military? Yes.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 5:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this jumping involve using a rope to hit the ground? Or a parachute? Jumping from a helicopter mostly? Or a plane?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 5:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this jumping involve using a rope to hit the ground? Or a parachute? This. Jumping from a helicopter mostly? Or a plane? This.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 5:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the problem with the technique in the jump itself? Form of chute deployment? Was more than one person jumping at a time? Was it a group jumping?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 7:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did their jumping technique cost many of their lives? Someone elses? Did they die: in the plane? When exiting? When deploying? When flying the chute? When landing? After landing? Did they jump round parachutes? Was the deployment mechanism a static line? Ripcord? Automatic deployment after a set time or altitude? Are they jumping from very: high? Low? When a death occurred, was it usually one person that died? Two? More? Was the death from: heat? Cold? Suffocation? Strangulation? Impact/G-forces? Drowning? Did the jumping technique lead to them landing in unsuitable areas?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 11:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the problem with the technique in the jump itself? Yope. Form of chute deployment? No. Was more than one person jumping at a time? Yes. Was it a group jumping? Yes.

Did their jumping technique cost many of their lives? This. Someone elses? Did they die: in the plane? When exiting? When deploying? When flying the chute? When landing? After landing? This. Did they jump round parachutes? Yes. Was the deployment mechanism a static line? This. Ripcord? Automatic deployment after a set time or altitude? Are they jumping from very: high? Low? This. When a death occurred, was it usually one person that died? Two? More? This. Was the death from: heat? Cold? Suffocation? Strangulation? Impact/G-forces? Drowning? None of these. Did the jumping technique lead to them landing in unsuitable areas? No.
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Did they die from exposure? Internal bleeding? Blood loss? Organ damage? Poisoning? Did they die immediately? Or were they injured first and died eventually? Were they jumping into a war zone? Were the ones that survived unhurt?
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Did they die from exposure? No. Internal bleeding? Blood loss? Organ damage? All three likely. Poisoning? No. Did they die immediately? No. Or were they injured first and died eventually? In some cases. Were they jumping into a war zone? Yes. Were the ones that survived unhurt? Some of them.
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Were they killed by the enemy? Did they land off target? All over the place? Was this during world war II? Allied invasion of Europe?
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Were they killed by the enemy? Yes. Did they land off target? No. All over the place? No. Was this during world war II? Yes. Allied invasion of Europe? No.
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Were they killed because they were: seen? Heard? Otherwise detected? Before they jumped? During the jump? After they landed? Flying technique relevant? Was the jump location predictable? Which meant enemy forces could get to them quickly? Were they allied forces? Axis?
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Were they killed because they were: seen? No. Heard? No. Otherwise detected? They were detected, but it doesn't matter how and it's only relevant in the sense they had to be detected by the enemy before being killed. Before they jumped? During the jump? After they landed? All this occurs after the landing. Flying technique relevant? No. Was the jump location predictable? No. Which meant enemy forces could get to them quickly? No. Were they allied forces? Axis? This.
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Is the method for choosing drop zones relevant? Were the chosen drop zones bad? Too close to enemy forces? Too much out in the open? Is the number of soldiers dropped at a time relevant? Their equipment? Was all/part of their equipment dropped separately? And they had to first get to it in order to be able to defend themselves properly?
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Is the method for choosing drop zones relevant? No. Were the chosen drop zones bad? Too close to enemy forces? Too much out in the open? Is the number of soldiers dropped at a time relevant? None of these. Their equipment? Yes. Was all/part of their equipment dropped separately? Yes. And they had to first get to it in order to be able to defend themselves properly? Yes. (Dang, you got that quick. What does their jumping method have to do with this?}
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Posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 3:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the equipment dropped before the jumpers? After? Did it land behind enemy lines?
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Was the equipment dropped before the jumpers? After? At about the same time. Did it land behind enemy lines? Irr.
Balin (Balin)
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Was the equipment dropped with a chute? If not, did it drop much faster than the jumpers? So they drifted away from the falling equipment? And landed far enough away that they were unable to retrieve it before being spotted?
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Was the equipment dropped with a chute? Yes. If not, did it drop much faster than the jumpers? No. So they drifted away from the falling equipment? Yes.And landed far enough away that they were unable to retrieve it before being spotted? Yes.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 4:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the equipment thrown out of the plane with the chute already deployed? Was it attached to the static line as well? Did one of the jumpers deploy it manually after the jump?
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Was the equipment thrown out of the plane with the chute already deployed? Was it attached to the static line as well? Did one of the jumpers deploy it manually after the jump? None of these.

I suspect only Galfisk can get the last part, but their rig is relevant.
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Did they have no way to steer their parachutes? Could they see where the equipment landed: from the plane? From the air? Did the equipment drop slower than the jumpers? Relevant how the equipment parachute(s) were deployed? Did this separation always happen? Weight of a soldier with rig relevant? Did the soldiers jump without main weapons? Without sidearms? Were the rigs not made for wartime jumping?
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Did they have no way to steer their parachutes? Correct. Could they see where the equipment landed: from the plane? Yes. From the air? Yes. Did the equipment drop slower than the jumpers? Irr. Relevant how the equipment parachute(s) were deployed? Somewhat. Did this separation always happen? No. Weight of a soldier with rig relevant? No. Did the soldiers jump without main weapons? Yes. Without sidearms? No. Were the rigs not made for wartime jumping? No.
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Is the reason why they jumped without main weapons important? Or just the fact that they did? Were the equipment chutes released: automatically? Manually? By the pilot? Vas equipment dumped from the plane manually? Automatically? Relevant?
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Is the reason why they jumped without main weapons important? Yes. Or just the fact that they did? Were the equipment chutes released: automatically? Manually? By the pilot? This, I think. Vas equipment dumped from the plane manually? Automatically? Relevant? Not really.
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Did they think they would be able to land near their equipment every time? Was it dangerous for them to jump with the equipment? was it too heavy for the parachutes? Or the harness? Or incompatible in some other way?
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Did they think they would be able to land near their equipment every time? No. Was it dangerous for them to jump with the equipment? Yes. was it too heavy for the parachutes? No. Or the harness? Possibly. Or incompatible in some other way? Close enough.

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During WWII, the German paratroops, or Fallschirmjagers, used a different parachute harness than the Allies. Instead of being attached to the shoulders (allowing a measure of control during the drop), it was attached to the back. Germans literally threw themselves out of a plane headfirst, and landed on their knees and elbows rather than their feet. This was more dangerous in itself. But what cost lives was that Fallschirmjagers could not jump safely with their weapons. Their rifles and submachine guns were dropped separately in supply canisters, and they touched down armed with nothing but pistols and knives. This made them terribly vulnerable to Allied infantry armed with rifles. In the Battle of Crete, many men were killed in the landing zones simply trying to retrieve their weapons, essentially without being able to fight back. Although they won the battle, the Fallschirmjagers were never airdropped again.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 5:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow, that sounds dangerous and unpleasant in the best of conditions! I enjoyed the puzzle:-)

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