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It should have been impossible. But we did it.
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We=H?A?M? Are you (Balin) a member of "we"? Was "it": dangerous? Difficult? Improbable? Laws of physics relevant? It1=it2?
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We=H?A?M? Yes, Teenage, Yes Are you (Balin) a member of "we"? Yes Was "it": dangerous? No Difficult? Yope Improbable? Very! Laws of physics relevant? No It1=it2? Yes
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Gambling relevant? did you succeed mainly by: luck? Skill? Intelligence? Good planning? Outside help? Were you trying to achieve it? Knowing you'd probably fail? Relevant how many you were? Other people relevant? Location relevant? could you have almost done it? Or was the only other option complete failure? Relevant how long it took to do?
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Gambling relevant? No did you succeed mainly by: luck? This, but only a little... Skill? This was also involved... Intelligence? Good planning? Outside help? But mostly this, with svv of "help". No to rest. Were you trying to achieve it? No Knowing you'd probably fail? We didn't even think about it until after the fact. Relevant how many you were? Yes Other people relevant? Yes Location relevant? Yes could you have almost done it? Hmmm...I'll have to say Yope to No. Or was the only other option complete failure? Yes Relevant how long it took to do? Yope
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Other people: one? Two? Five? A hundred? More? can the other people be placed in group(s)? Were you more than: 2? 5? 10? 20? 100? Did the other people provide the outside help? was it still improbable with the help you received? Or was receiving this help the improbable part? Location: public place? Urban? Suburban? Rural? Outside? In a private building? Public building? Structure? Climate relevant? Season? Weather? Were you competing against someone? Or something? Or among each other? Playing a game?
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Other people: one? Two? Five? 8 A hundred? More? can the other people be placed in group(s)? Yes, one group Were you more than: 2? 5? 10? 20? 100? 9 or 12, depending if you count certain people. Did the other people provide the outside help? Yes, with svv of "help" was it still improbable with the help you received? Yes - in fact, without the outside help, it would have been impossible. With it, it was still highly unlikely. Or was receiving this help the improbable part? No Location: public place? Yes Urban? Suburban? This Rural? Outside? Yes In a private building? Public building? Structure? No to these three Climate relevant? Yes, in that it sets the scene Season? Yes, same way Weather? Yes, same way Were you competing against someone? Yes, the other group Or something? Or among each other? Playing a game? Yes, it was a sport
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Did you win? Was that the unlikely part? Did they help by sabotaging themselves? Or was the unlikely part being able to play the sport in the first place? Or even being at the location? Relevant what the sport was? Did you do something that's considered extremely unlikely to happen in that sport? Or when playing against that sort of players? Or when being who you were? Are you on a grassy field? Is it warm and sunny? Cold and rainy? Snow?
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Did you win? Yes, but irr to the puzzle Was that the unlikely part? No Did they help by sabotaging themselves? Yopish Or was the unlikely part being able to play the sport in the first place? No Or even being at the location? No Relevant what the sport was? Yes Did you do something that's considered extremely unlikely to happen in that sport? Yes Or when playing against that sort of players? No Or when being who you were? No Are you on a grassy field? Yes Is it warm and sunny? This Cold and rainy? Snow?
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Are you using a ball? If so: throwing it? Kicking it? Did you do something unlikely with the ball? Did you make an "impossible" shot? Did the ball hit them? Was what happened a total fluke?
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Are you using a ball? Yes If so: throwing it? Yes Kicking it? No Did you do something unlikely with the ball? No Did you make an "impossible" shot? No Did the ball hit them? No Was what happened a total fluke? No
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Are you playing dodgeball? volleyball? Basketball? Baseball? Do you hit the ball with something?
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Are you playing dodgeball? volleyball? Basketball? Baseball? This! Do you hit the ball with something? Over the course of the game, yes. During the "impossible" thing, no.
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Does the "impossible" thing happen when your team is hitting? fielding? at the mid-inning changeover? between innings? during a timeout? before the game? after the game? during extra innings?
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Did you score when you did the impossible? Pass? Dribble? Did you all participate actively in doing it? Did they? Did it take more than: a split second? A few seconds? A minute? Several minutes? Half an hour? Was it done as part of the game?
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Does the "impossible" thing happen when your team is hitting? fielding? This at the mid-inning changeover? between innings? during a timeout? before the game? after the game? during extra innings? No to rest

Did you score when you did the impossible? No Pass? Dribble? Baseball, remember? Did you all participate actively in doing it? No Did they? No Did it take more than: a split second? A few seconds? A minute? About 2-3 minutes Several minutes? Half an hour? Was it done as part of the game? Yes
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Oops, I read basketball. Does one have to know the rules of baseball for this puzzle? (I don't) The intricacies?
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Did the impossible thing involve getting someone out? More than one person? If so, by making a catch? Pegging someone? Throwing someone out on a forced run? Preventing someone from stealing? Striking them out?

Did the whole team participate? Or just certain positions? Pitcher? Catcher? 1st base? 2nd base? 3rd base? infielders? outfielders?
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Oops, I read basketball. Don't worry about it. Does one have to know the rules of baseball for this puzzle? (I don't) All you need to know is that there are three outs before the teams switch sides. The intricacies? No

Did the impossible thing involve getting someone out? Yesish More than one person? Yes If so, by making a catch? Pegging someone? Throwing someone out on a forced run? Preventing someone from stealing? Striking them out? Irrel to all

Did the whole team participate? No Or just certain positions? Yes Pitcher? Mostly this... Catcher? ...but also this. 1st base? 2nd base? 3rd base? infielders? outfielders? I can't remember the other positions involved, but I think it was right field, first base, and third base.
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Oh, and No to striking out.
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Is the impossible thing one play? Or the entire (half) inning? Did you get four outs in an inning? Double play(s)? Triple play? Quadruple play (which might be impossible, I'm not sure)? Three up and three down? If it was just one play, how many people were on base? 1? 2? 3?
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Is the impossible thing one play? No Or the entire (half) inning? YesDid you get four outs in an inning? No - that one is possible. Double play(s)? No Triple play? No Quadruple play (which might be impossible, I'm not sure)? No, but that one might actually be possible. Three up and three down? Yesish, and OTRT. If it was just one play, how many people were on base? 1? 2? 3?
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Two up and three down? As in, you got two outs for one batter?
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Two up and three down? Yes! But there's a little bit more to this... As in, you got two outs for one batter? But no.
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Hm. So there were three outs after only two batters, correct? But there weren't two outs for one batter. So one out just came out of nowhere? We're really stretching my knowledge of the rules of baseball here. Did either of the batters get a hit? Get on base without getting a hit? Was the "help" you received from the ump? From the other team? From some kind of house rule?
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Hm. So there were three outs after only two batters, correct? Correct But there weren't two outs for one batter. Also correct So one out just came out of nowhere? Yope We're really stretching my knowledge of the rules of baseball here. Under normal rules, it would have been impossible. Did either of the batters get a hit? No Get on base without getting a hit? No Was the "help" you received from the ump? A bit of this... From the other team? ...but also a bit of this... From some kind of house rule? ...to create this. There were circumstances that required us to make a special rule, just for this game.
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Were the circumstances that required the special rule related to where you were playing? The weather? Some inequality between the teams? A time constraint? A special need of some players? Your ages? A pebble?
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Were the circumstances that required the special rule related to where you were playing? No The weather? No Some inequality between the teams? Yes A time constraint? No A special need of some players? No Your ages? No A pebble? Heehee, not this time.
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Is this a school team? Travel team? Recreational team? Community team? Pick-up game?

Is the inequality just that the members of one team (your team? theirs?) are more skilled/experienced? Or does one team have more people? Injuries relevant? Would the special rule be referred to as a "handicap"? "slaughter rule"? Did you just decide that to even things up, you would have the standard three outs to an inning and the other team's innings would be over after two outs?
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Is this a school team? Travel team? Recreational team? Community team? I guess this, but irr. Pick-up game?

Is the inequality just that the members of one team (your team? theirs?) are more skilled/experienced? No Or does one team have more people? Yes, but perhaps not in the way that you're thinking. Injuries relevant? Noish Would the special rule be referred to as a "handicap"? "slaughter rule"? Closest to "handicap," but not really. Did you just decide that to even things up, you would have the standard three outs to an inning and the other team's innings would be over after two outs? No
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Does your team have less players? The other team? Less players=less subs? One or more less people on the field? Is there a specific position that is missing?
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Does your team have less players? The other team? This one! Less players=less subs? No... One or more less people on the field? Yes... Is there a specific position that is missing? No, and just to avoid any FAs, one of our players filled in in right field whenever the other team took the field.
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So was your special rule in the form of "When x happens, it counts as an out"? "When x happens, no matter how many outs there are, the inning is over"? "The team with less players is allowed to x"? "The team with more players isn't allowed to x"? "All players must x"? "Players can't x"?
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So was your special rule in the form of "When x happens, it counts as an out"? This one "When x happens, no matter how many outs there are, the inning is over"? "The team with less players is allowed to x"? "The team with more players isn't allowed to x"? "All players must x"? "Players can't x"?
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Is x something that wouldn't happen to your team if the other team had enough players? Something that wouldn't happen to the other team if they had enough players? Something that would give them an unfair advantage if it didn't count as an out?
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Is x something that wouldn't happen to your team if the other team had enough players? No Something that wouldn't happen to the other team if they had enough players? No Something that would give them an unfair advantage if it didn't count as an out? Yope
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Oops, CORRECTION: The rule would Yope-ishly give the other team the advantage. The x is something that happens a few times over the course of a game.
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...And a CORRECTION to that correction: Without the rule, the other team would Yope-ishly have the advantage.
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HINT: Remember how many players the other team had, and that my team was in the field when this occurred.
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Alright, so your team had at least nine players? 10 (with a designated hitter)? Their team had 8? 9? Does it matter what inning it was? Was there a particular player missing? Who had occupied a particular place in the lineup?
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Alright, so your team had at least nine players? Yes 10 (with a designated hitter)? No, no DH in this league Their team had 8? This 9? Does it matter what inning it was? No Was there a particular player missing? Yesish Who had occupied a particular place in the lineup? Yes, their ninth batter was missing
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After the 8th person in the lineup batted, did they just start over at the top of the lineup as expected? Did one of your players bat for them? Did they bring in someone from outside the teams? Was it just an automatic out for the missing person? Was the missing person a particularly skilled batter? Particularly unskilled?
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After the 8th person in the lineup batted, did they just start over at the top of the lineup as expected? Yope Did one of your players bat for them? No Did they bring in someone from outside the teams? No Was it just an automatic out for the missing person? Yes! Was the missing person a particularly skilled batter? Irrel Particularly unskilled? Irrel

You're really close now....
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Okay, so there were two batters in the inning, either 7 and 8, 8 and 1, or 1 and 2. You got both of them out, and when you got to the 9th spot in the lineup it was an automatic out. That the basic scenario? Is it relevant why you made this rule? Just so that they wouldn't get to have the batters at the top of their lineup at bat more often? Something to do with keeping stats?
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Okay, so there were two batters in the inning, Correct either 7 and 8, 8 and 1, This or 1 and 2. You got both of them out, Correct and when you got to the 9th spot in the lineup it was an automatic out. Correct That the basic scenario? Yes Is it relevant why you made this rule? No Just so that they wouldn't get to have the batters at the top of their lineup at bat more often? Something to do with keeping stats?

Almost there....
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Forgive me, I've never really played baseball outside of gym class... do you normally start each inning at the top of the lineup? And there's a reason why you didn't? Because otherwise, I'm not sure what else there is to solve.
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Forgive me, I've never really played baseball outside of gym class... do you normally start each inning at the top of the lineup? No And there's a reason why you didn't? Because otherwise, I'm not sure what else there is to solve. Here's a hint: Neither of the two batters struck out. If either of them had, the feat could not have been accomplished.
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Oh, I thought the feat was that you finished the inning after only two batters. Was it specifically that you finished the inning after only two pitches?
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Oh, I thought the feat was that you finished the inning after only two batters. Was it specifically that you finished the inning after only two pitches? That's exactly what it was!!!

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Indeed, the feat which should have been impossible was accomplished. Because the other team only had 8 players for the game, they should have had to forfeit, but both teams wanted to play, so we agreed that when their 9th spot in the order came up, it would be an automatic out.

In the fourth inning (I think), the other team had its 8-9-1 batters up. The 8 batter grounded to short (or third, I can't remember which) on the first pitch, the 9th spot was an automatic out, and the leadoff man flied to right, also on the first pitch. A two-pitch inning - no longer impossible.

The special rule also contributed to the game's end. In the last inning, my team was up 13-12, the other team had runners on second and third, and there were two outs. A Cinderella moment...except the 9th spot was due up. Automatic out; game over.

Kudos go to Ohlala for the solve, and almost all of the groundwork.

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