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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 7:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because of a pebble, they lost thousands of dollars.
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They = a government? A country? A smaller number of individuals?

Did the pebble contaminate something? Did it block something? Such as a pipeline?

Is this anything to do with torpedoes?
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They = a government? A country? A smaller number of individuals? This

Did the pebble contaminate something? No Did it block something? No Such as a pipeline? No

Is this anything to do with torpedoes? Not at all ;-)
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Did the pebble damage something? Prevent something from happening? From working? Is a bet relevant? Gambling? Pebble = small rock? Is the appearance of the pebble relevant? Or composition? Or can we assume granite? Was the pebble destroyed? Mistaken for something else?
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Did the pebble damage something? No Prevent something from happening? Yope From working? Noish Is a bet relevant? No Gambling? No Pebble = small rock? Yes Is the appearance of the pebble relevant? Only that it was small. Or composition? No Or can we assume granite? If you want; the exact type of rock is irr Was the pebble destroyed? No Mistaken for something else? No
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did the pebble make something happen? Something else than intended? Did they lose the money to someone else? Did they create something? Did the pebble move? Injure or kill someone? was there a lawsuit? Rockets involved? Jet engines? Did the pebble cause a spark? Was it mistaken for something else? Did it appear in a "guaranteed pebble-free" environment? In food?
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did the pebble make something happen? Yes Something else than intended? No Did they lose the money to someone else? Yesish Did they create something? No Did the pebble move? Yes, but potential FA Injure or kill someone? No was there a lawsuit? No Rockets involved? No Jet engines? No Did the pebble cause a spark? No Was it mistaken for something else? No Did it appear in a "guaranteed pebble-free" environment? Noish In food? No
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Did the pebble move with something else? Was it aboard a vehicle? Did it make something happen prematurely? Was something pebble-like supposed to make the thing happen eventually? Did it make a noise? Touch something relevant? Block something relevant? Was it stepped on? Seen? Heard? Felt?
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Did the pebble move with something else? Yope, with the same FA Was it aboard a vehicle? No Did it make something happen prematurely? No Was something pebble-like supposed to make the thing happen eventually? No Did it make a noise? No Touch something relevant? Yes, but with the possible FA Block something relevant? No Was it stepped on? Seen? Heard? Felt? None of these
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Was the pebble run over? Was it stuck on/in something? Was it underwater? Underground?
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Was the pebble run over? Was it stuck on/in something? Was it underwater? Underground? No to all
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Was there only one pebble? Was there supposed to be no pebbles? Is the pebble among other objects of similar size? Would the pebble not have caused the problem, had it been: lighter? Smaller? Bigger? softer?
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Was there only one pebble? Yes Was there supposed to be no pebbles? Yope Is the pebble among other objects of similar size? No Would the pebble not have caused the problem, had it been: lighter? Smaller? Bigger? softer? Possibly to smaller, lighter, and softer, but No to bigger.
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Did the pebble prevent something from moving? Stop something that was moving? Or slow it down? Or change its course?
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Did the pebble prevent something from moving? Stop something that was moving? Or slow it down? Or change its course? This one!
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The "something" whose course was changed: a vehicle? a machine? is it electronic? does it have wheels?
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The "something" whose course was changed: a vehicle? No a machine? </b>No</b> is it electronic? No does it have wheels? No
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Is the something solid? Liquid? Gas? Energy? Alive?
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Does the "something" move? Or was its course the course of events? Its course through time? The course of a story? Could/did this happen IRL? Is it a person? Animal? Plant? Other living thing? Force? Weather? Natural disaster?
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Is the something solid? This Liquid? Gas? Energy? No Alive? No

Does the "something" move? Yes, but I think same FA Or was its course the course of events? No Its course through time? No The course of a story? No Could/did this happen IRL? Yes, true story Is it a person? Animal? Plant? Other living thing? Force? Weather? Natural disaster? No to all
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Is the something a machine? Something manmade? Something comparable in size to the pebble? Does it move on its own? Or from gravity? Or some other outside force? Does it cover a distance? Or oscillate? Or move randomly? Is there an earthquake?
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Is the something a machine? No Something manmade? Yes Something comparable in size to the pebble? Please reword Does it move on its own? No! Good question. Or from gravity? No Or some other outside force? Yes Does it cover a distance? Yes, but not a set distance Or oscillate? No Or move randomly? No Is there an earthquake? No
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Does the pebble change the course of an aimed object? Such a golf ball? Or is the pebble tossed in a body of water and the ripple effect cause something else to happen?
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Does the pebble change the course of an aimed object? Yes, with svv of "aimed" Such a golf ball? No, but very OTRT Or is the pebble tossed in a body of water and the ripple effect cause something else to happen? No
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A ball for some other sport? Ping pong? Tennis?
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Is the object used in golf? Was some sort of competition lost because of the pebble?
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A ball for some other sport? Yes Ping pong? Tennis? But neither of these

Is the object used in golf? No Was some sort of competition lost because of the pebble? Yes!
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Is the ball larger than a billard ball? Is it a billard ball? Is the ball rolled? kicked? batted? Were the people who lost money part of a team?
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Is the ball larger than a billard ball? Yes Is it a billard ball? No Is the ball rolled? No kicked? No batted? Yes Were the people who lost money part of a team? They were a team.
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Is the game [Wikipedia's list of bat-and-ball games]? Did the ball change course unexpectedly? Or take a wrong course from the outset? Did it bounce on the pebble? Was the pebble on the ground? On one of the players? On clothing? On the bat? On some other sports equipment?
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Is the game [Wikipedia's list of bat-and-ball games]? Baseball Did the ball change course unexpectedly? Yes Or take a wrong course from the outset? No Did it bounce on the pebble? Yes! Was the pebble on the ground? This On one of the players? On clothing? On the bat? On some other sports equipment? No to rest.
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Did "they" lose thousands of dollars because they bet on the outcome of the game? Because the ball was worth thousands of dollars? Because they lost and otherwise would have won? And it was a championship? Or ended the season?

Were "they" at bat? Did the unexpected bounce cause a foul? An error? A hit? A run? A homerun? The ball to be lost? Was this a pro game? minor league? school? pick-up game?
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Did "they" lose thousands of dollars because they bet on the outcome of the game? No Because the ball was worth thousands of dollars? No Because they lost and otherwise would have won? Yes And it was a championship? Yes! Or ended the season?

Were "they" at bat? No Did the unexpected bounce cause a foul? An error? A hit? This... A run? ...and this. A homerun? The ball to be lost? No Was this a pro game? This minor league? school? pick-up game?
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Okay, so the other team hit the ball, it bounced on a pebble, and so they got a run. I feel like there are several non-lateral explanations at this point... did it just bounce away from a fielder so he couldn't throw someone out? Relevant why there was a pebble on a major league field? I think they're usually pretty careful to keep them clear for exactly this reason.
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Okay, so the other team hit the ball, it bounced on a pebble, and so they got a run. Correct. I feel like there are several non-lateral explanations at this point... did it just bounce away from a fielder so he couldn't throw someone out? Yes, and it would have ended the inning. Relevant why there was a pebble on a major league field? No I think they're usually pretty careful to keep them clear for exactly this reason.

You're almost there. Just explain the thousands of dollars lost, and why this one run was so significant, and you're all set.
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Okay, so was this (supposed to be) the last out of the last inning? And the score was either tied or "they" were winning? So because of this one run, the game either went into extra innings or the other team won, with the result that "they" lost the championship. Does it matter which championship? The world series? The all-star game? The pennant? And the money they lost wasn't just the standard bonus/advertising dollars that championship winning players usually receive? Did they lose thousands of dollars apiece? Or collectively?
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Okay, so was this (supposed to be) the last out of the last inning? Yes, it was extra innings And the score was either tied or "they" were winning? Tied So because of this one run, the game either went into extra innings or the other team won, This one with the result that "they" lost the championship. Correct Does it matter which championship? The world series? This one! The all-star game? The pennant? And the money they lost wasn't just the standard bonus/advertising dollars that championship winning players usually receive? It was the winner's share. Did they lose thousands of dollars apiece? Or collectively? Both

I believe, in baseball terms, that's a home run, but in LTPF terms, it's a

**********SPOILER**********

During Game 7 of the 1924 World Series, the New York Giants and Washington Senators were tied at 3. The Senators had Muddy Ruel on second and Walter Johnson on first with one out, when Earl McNeely hit a hard ground ball towards Giants third baseman Fred Lindstrom. It would have likely resulted in an inning-ending double play, extending the game, but the ball struck a pebble and bounced over Lindstrom's head, and Ruel scored the game- and Series-winning run.

Interestingly, the Senators had tied the game in the eighth when a Bucky Harris grounder also hit a pebble - possibly the same pebble - and bounced over Lindstrom's head into left field for a two-run single.

Each winning player's share was approximately $2000 more than those for each losing player. So thousands of dollars were lost...all because of a single pebble.

As always, nice work to everyone involved, especially Ohlala for the final swing.

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