| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5507 Registered: 8-2001 |
A law designed to prevent a certain evil may actually be encouraging it. How come? | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 101 Registered: 2-2009 |
Does this have anything to do with children? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3301 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it a moral evil? A disease? Is it objectively evil, like murder? Did the legislators make a mistake, or if they were aware of something would they have voted against the law? | ||
| Danielm2168 (Danielm2168)
New member Username: Danielm2168 Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is the punishment not strong enough? Is there a punishment at all? Is somehow the punishment a reward? | ||
| Vadron (Vadron)
New member Username: Vadron Post Number: 94 Registered: 5-2010 |
The prohibition isn't relevant, is it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5508 Registered: 8-2001 |
Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker) New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 101 Registered: 2-2009 Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 7:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does this have anything to do with children?yes Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3301 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 11:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it a moral evil? yesA disease? no Is it objectively evil, like murder? yesDid the legislators make a mistake that depends on your point of view, or if they were aware of something would they have voted against the law?possibly Danielm2168 (Danielm2168) New member Username: Danielm2168 Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2010 Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 3:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the punishment not strong enough? no Is there a punishment at all? yes Is somehow the punishment a reward? no Vadron (Vadron) New member Username: Vadron Post Number: 94 Registered: 5-2010 Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 7:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The prohibition isn't relevant, is it? No, assuming that you mean America's prohibition against booze | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3304 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the law negative (something is forbidden) or positive (something is required)? Is the wording of the law significant? Is the location relevant? Are adults directly affected by the law? Indirectly? Are children directly affected by the law? Indirectly? Does the law apply to everyone? Is everyone affected by the law? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5509 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3304 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 12:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the law negative (something is forbidden) or positive (something is required)? the former Is the wording of the law significant? noIs the location relevant?Well, not every country has the law Are adults directly affected by the law? Some are, some are notIndirectly? ditto Are children directly affected by the law? Ditto Indirectly? Ditto Does the law apply to everyone? yes Is everyone affected by the law? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2052 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the evil a crime against children? Child abuse? Sexually assaulting a minor? Possession of child pornography? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5515 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2052 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 8:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the evil a crime against children? yesChild abuse? see next answerSexually assaulting a minor? yesPossession of child pornography?no | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3321 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the law make it easier for the criminal to commit the crime? Does it make it harder to prosecute? When read literally, is the law targeted at children? Their guardians? Possible criminals? Does it regard punishment? Does it apply to certain times or places? Is it a public law promulgated by a legislature, or an internal regulation that only regards a particular organization? Is the abuse scandal in the Catholic church relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5516 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3321 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 9:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the law make it easier for the criminal to commit the crime? no Does it make it harder to prosecute? no When read literally, is the law targeted at children? Their guardians? Possible criminals? Aren't all criminal laws targeted at possible criminals? The law is targeted at everyone Does it regard punishment? yes Does it apply to certain times or places? no Is it a public law promulgated by a legislature, or an internal regulation that only regards a particular organization? the former Is the abuse scandal in the Catholic church relevant? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2059 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the punishment for sexually abusing a minor lighter than other forms of sexual abuse? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5519 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2059 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 9:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the punishment for sexually abusing a minor lighter than other forms of sexual abuse? No, but you're ORT (on the right track). | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2069 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the length of sentence relevant? Type of prison that offenders are sent to? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5520 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2069 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 11:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the length of sentence relevant? noishType of prison that offenders are sent to? ditto | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 830 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the possibility of probation relevant? The conditions of probation? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5522 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 830 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 6:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the possibility of probation relevant? no The conditions of probation? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2104 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the specific trial relevant? Fines? Sex offender registration? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5524 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2104 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 8:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the specific trial relevant? no Fines no Sex offender registration? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2112 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the law "encourage" sexually abusing children by "discouraging" from non-sexual child abuse? From sexually abusing those above 18? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5528 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2112 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 10:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the law "encourage" sexually abusing children by "discouraging" from non-sexual child abuse? no but you're ORTFrom sexually abusing those above 18? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 992 Registered: 7-2001 |
does the law relate to the circumstances under which a child can be left with an adult? does it relate to background checks on adults interacting with children? does it relate to what activities a non-family adult can do with a child? does the law lead to reduced supervision of children? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5530 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 992 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 10:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does the law relate to the circumstances under which a child can be left with an adult? no does it relate to background checks on adults interacting with children? no does it relate to what activities a non-family adult can do with a child?no or noish does the law lead to reduced supervision of children? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2118 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the punishment for non-sexual child abuse relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5533 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2118 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 12:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the punishment for non-sexual child abuse relevant? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5543 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Child pornography IS relevant, but in an unexpected way. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2140 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is possession of child pornography relevant? Distribution? Possession by a minor? An adult sharing it with a minor? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5546 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2140 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 7:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is possession of child pornography relevant? yesDistribution? yesish Possession by a minor? no more than possessing it in general An adult sharing it with a minor? no more than possessing it in general | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2144 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the penalty for possessing child porn relevant? Is said penalty lighter than that for sexually abusing a minor? A lot lighter? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5548 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2144 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 7:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the penalty for possessing child porn relevant? yes Is said penalty lighter than that for sexually abusing a minor? noA lot lighter? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2148 Registered: 4-2010 |
So the penalty for possession of child porn is worse than the penalty for sexually abusing a minor? So potential criminals would "be better off" abusing children rather than fantasizing about them? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5553 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2148 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 8:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So the penalty for possession of child porn is worse than the penalty for sexually abusing a minor? not quite but you're very ORT. There's one more factor involved that you need to figure out. So potential criminals would "be better off" abusing children rather than fantasizing about them? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2149 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the law make one of those crimes stricter? Lessen the restrictions? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5555 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2149 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 9:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the law make one of those crimes stricter? no Lessen the restrictions? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2151 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the law about child porn? Child abuse? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5556 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2151 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 9:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the law about child porn? yesChild abuse? The counter=productive law in the puzzle is specifically about child porn | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 996 Registered: 7-2001 |
does the law relate to what photographs can be taken? does it state that one cannot take photographs of other people's children? does the law relate to written material? visual images? drawn images? photographic images? does it relate to the internet? to websites? to file sharing? does the law relate to adult porn as well? to buying porn? selling it? creating it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5561 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 996 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 9:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does the law relate to what photographs can be taken? yes does it state that one cannot take photographs of other people's children? no does the law relate to written material? yes visual images? yes drawn images?yes photographic images? yes does it relate to the internet? yes to websites? yesto file sharing? yes does the law relate to adult porn as well? no to buying porn? yesselling it? that's not the relevant aspect here creating it? ditto | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1000 Registered: 7-2001 |
does the law make it easier to buy child porn? make it cheaper? make it easier to stay anonymous? make it easier to find? make a greater amount available? make it easier to hide it once acquired? easier to dispose of? easier to disguise? does the law relate to use of credit cards? the buyer's identity? does the law give the same penalty for having/buying one piece of child porn as having more? so thus encouraging people to acquire more once they have acquired some? (ie hung for a sheep as a lamb?) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5565 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1000 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 10:16 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does the law make it easier to buy child porn? no make it cheaper? no make it easier to stay anonymous? no make it easier to find? no make a greater amount available? nomake it easier to hide it once acquired? no easier to dispose of? no easier to disguise? no does the law relate to use of credit cards? no the buyer's identity? no does the law give the same penalty for having/buying one piece of child porn as having more? irrel so thus encouraging people to acquire more once they have acquired some? (ie hung for a sheep as a lamb?) ditto | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2157 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the production of child porn relevant? The purchase? The possession? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2158 Registered: 4-2010 |
And happy 1000th post, Kdoc! | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5567 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2157 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 11:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the production of child porn relevant?no The purchase? yes The possession? yes Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2158 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 11:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) And happy 1000th post, Kdoc! Yes--and many happy returns!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2164 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the law give a penalty for purchasing child porn? Increase a penalty? Decrease? Does the law give a penalty for possessing child porn? Increase? Decrease? Does the law give a penalty for distributing child porn? Increase? Decrease? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5574 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2164 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 11:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the law give a penalty for purchasing child porn? yesIncrease a penalty? yes Decrease? no Does the law give a penalty for possessing child porn? yes Increase? no Decrease? no Does the law give a penalty for distributing child porn? irrel Increase? irrel Decrease? irrel | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2170 Registered: 4-2010 |
So the law increases the penalty for purchase and creates one for possession, right? So potential child porn, um, "users" would be more likely to instead abuse kids? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5575 Registered: 8-2001 |
BBLOOOOOOOPERRRRRRALERTTTTTTTTT!!Does the law give a penalty for possessing child porn? yes Increase? no Decrease? noThe answer to "increase?" should be yesBalin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2170 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 12:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So the law increases the penalty for purchase and creates one for possession, right? No. See above BLOOOPEWRRRRALERTTTT!!.For both purchase & possessing of child porn, the law creates very severe penalties So potential child porn, um, "users" would be more likely to instead abuse kids? Yes, but you still haven't gotten the reason why, since the punishment for abusing kids is also severe. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2171 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the punishments close in severity? So instead of just purchasing/possessing child porn, criminals would realize that "taking the next step" wouldn't increase their punishment by a whole lot? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5579 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2171 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 2:52 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are the punishments close in severity? yes So instead of just purchasing/possessing child porn, criminals would realize that "taking the next step" wouldn't increase their punishment by a whole lot? No--they had a positive reason, related to punishment, for actually molesting children rather than just using or buying child porn | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2178 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would they be placed in a different prison? Required to take sex offender programs? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5584 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2178 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 8:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would they be placed in a different prison? no Required to take sex offender programs? irrel | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2185 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is length of sentence relevant? Solitary confinement? Security of prison? Conjugal visits? Sex offender registration? Bail? Fines? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5587 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2185 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 9:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is length of sentence relevant? Solitary confinement? Security of prison? Conjugal visits? Sex offender registration? Bail? Fines? All are irrel!! | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1005 Registered: 7-2001 |
does it relate to whether the perpetrator's name is made public? which type of court they are judged in? what type of publicity they get? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5590 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1005 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 11:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does it relate to whether the perpetrator's name is made public? nowhich type of court they are judged in? no what type of publicity they get? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2194 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is prison relevant? The trial? Anything that happens after the sentence is complete? Before the sentence takes effect? During the course of the sentence? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5593 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2194 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 12:22 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is prison relevant? yes The trial? yesAnything that happens after the sentence is complete? noBefore the sentence takes effect? yes During the course of the sentence? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2198 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is plea bargaining relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3339 Registered: 5-2003 |
Lawyers relevant? The cost of a trial relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5596 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2198 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 2:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is plea bargaining relevant? noish Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3339 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 5:24 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Lawyers relevant? yopeThe cost of a trial relevant? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1017 Registered: 7-2001 |
is this to do with whether the perpetrator gets the lawyer paid for him by the government or not? perhaps he does for more serious offences but not for less serious offences? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5600 Registered: 8-2001 |
oc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1017 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Friday, July 23, 2010 - 7:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is this to do with whether the perpetrator gets the lawyer paid for him by the government or not? no perhaps he does for more serious offences but not for less serious offences? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2223 Registered: 4-2010 |
Court-appointed lawyers relevant? Will more lawyers take a case for sexual abusing a child rather than child porn possession? The other way round? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5610 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2223 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 5:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Court-appointed lawyers relevant? noWill more lawyers take a case for sexual abusing a child rather than child porn possession?I have no idea, but it's not the solutionThe other way round?ditto | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2272 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would they be less severely punished if they abused children, rather than buying child porn? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5624 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2272 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 8:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would they be less severely punished if they abused children, rather than buying child porn?noish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2302 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is there jail time involved for both crimes? A long sentence? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5627 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2302 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 8:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is there jail time involved for both crimes? yes A long sentence? yes HINT: Something really obvious is getting overlooked here!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2308 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are more men likely to be abusers than women? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5628 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2308 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 9:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are more men likely to be abusers than women? I think so, but it's irrel | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2330 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hmmm...could you please recap? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5633 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2330 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 11:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Hmmm...could you please recap? Add the following to the puzzle description: Laws mandating extreme sentences for possession of child pornography may actually be promoting the molesting of actual children, even though the punishment for the latter would be at least as harsh. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2336 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the punishment only a little worse? So people figure "why not" and molest the kids? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5635 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2336 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 11:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the punishment only a little worse? possiblySo people figure "why not" and molest the kids? No---there's a definite advantage in terms of the criminal justice system for child molesters as compared with possessors of child pornography | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2342 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is anything after the sentence is complete relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5637 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2342 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, July 26, 2010 - 12:13 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is anything after the sentence is complete relevant? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2627 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is their identity protected? Are they otherwise protected? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5640 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2627 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Monday, July 26, 2010 - 9:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is their identity protected? no Are they otherwise protected? no | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 349 Registered: 3-2009 |
In effect, an individual who would have "settled" for child porn would be inclined to go and actually molest a child because of the ramifications of the law, correct? So though the sentences of both crimes are similar, something about the judicial process gives molesters an "advantage" over child porn possessors. Is the actual sentencing, i.e. the punishment in the verdict, significantly different in some way, though it is not more "severe"? Or is this an indirect consequence of being labeled a molester rather than a porn viewer? The way fellow prisoners perceive the criminal? The prison authorities? The public? Parole relevant? Is it relevant that it is arguable easier to convict a porn viewer than a molester, in terms of evidence? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5650 Registered: 8-2001 |
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 349 Registered: 3-2009 Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 8:25 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) In effect, an individual who would have "settled" for child porn would be inclined to go and actually molest a child because of the ramifications of the law, correct? yes So though the sentences of both crimes are similar, something about the judicial process gives molesters an "advantage" over child porn possessors. yes Is the actual sentencing, i.e. the punishment in the verdict, significantly different in some way, though it is not more "severe"? Or is this an indirect consequence of being labeled a molester rather than a porn viewer? The way fellow prisoners perceive the criminal? The prison authorities? The public? no to all Parole relevant? no Is it relevant that it is arguable easier to convict a porn viewer than a molester, in terms of evidence? yes ******* SPOILER ************** According to a sociology book I read recently, very harsh sentences for possession of child pornography may actually increase child molestation, because the latter is so much harder to prove than the former that peodphiles might pick the latter instead. This puzzle is another example of how lousy I am at predicting puzzle difficulty--I thought it would be a snap. Will be next one be? Check it out at the bottom of the page. |
