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Posted on Friday, July 23, 2010 - 9:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Katrinka has two siblings, but she claims to have three, although there is no particular person whom she is claiming to have as a sibling, nor does she expect better treatment from someone who favors large families. How come?
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are there particular circumstances when she claims to have three? to a particular person? or people? in a particular place? at a particular time?

is she a child? adult?

would this puzzle work as well is she actually had 1? 4?

relevant what sex the siblings are? male? female?

might she for the same reason claim to have four? is it relevant that she claims to have a larger number? or is the number three the relevant bit?

does she seek to gain a benefit? avoid losing a benefit?

is she acting altruisticly? greedily? fearfully? sneakily? boastfully? modestly? kindly? generously?

is her motive morally good? bad? neutral? is she acting in a criminal way?
is she cheating? is she trying to help someone? is she trying to stop something bad happening to someone else? make something good happen to someone else?

are any of these relevent: her politics? her race? her nationality? her age? her physical appearance? her family? her romantic relationships? her hobbies? her education? her place of residence? her job? her pets? her financial status? her health?
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are there particular circumstances when she claims to have three? yes to a particular person? yes or people? yes in a particular place? yes at a particular time? yope

is she a child? no adult? yes

would this puzzle work as well is she actually had 1? yes 4? yes

relevant what sex the siblings are? no male? female?

might she for the same reason claim to have four? yesis it relevant that she claims to have a larger number? noor is the number three the relevant bit? no

does she seek to gain a benefit? yes avoid losing a benefit? the former is a more natural way to describe the situation

is she acting altruisticly? nogreedily? yesfearfully? possib;y sneakily? yes boastfully? nomodestly? no kindly? nogenerously? no

is her motive morally good? no bad? yes neutral? no is she acting in a criminal way? I'm not sure
is she cheating? yopeis she trying to help someone? no is she trying to stop something bad happening to someone else? no make something good happen to someone else? no

are any of these relevent: her politics?{no} her race? noher nationality?possibly--I'm not sure her age? yes her physical appearance? no her family? her romantic relationships? no her hobbies? noher education? noher place of residence? noher job? no her pets? no her financial status? no her health? yope
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so - what is she actually claiming then...
that she has another sibling? unknown to the person she is speaking to?

is this said in a healthcare setting? to a doctor?

are transplants relevant? any kind of tissue donation? blood grouping? genetic typing?

does she hope to gain financially? by donating blood? or something else? is she selling something? being paid for a service?

does she plan to imitate this extra sibling? claim something on their behalf?

is inheritance relavant?

does she say this in a court? in public? in private? to a stranger? a friend?

does she want sympathy? does she want to get a charitable donation?

is there some particular relevant feature of the extra sibling? a health problem? does she state, 'I have a sibling who is X'? or just 'I have another sibling'?

forgot to ask - relevant if the extra sibling is male or female? if so male?
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so - what is she actually claiming then...
that she has another sibling? yes unknown to the person she is speaking to? yes

is this said in a healthcare setting? yes to a doctor? probably

are transplants relevant? no any kind of tissue donation? noblood grouping? no genetic typing? no

does she hope to gain financially? possib noly by donating blood? no or something else? nois she selling something? nobeing paid for a service? no

does she plan to imitate this extra sibling? noclaim something on their behalf? no

is inheritance relavant? possibly

does she say this in a court? no in public? see above--she says it in a healthcare setting, probably to a doctorin private? see previous answerto a stranger? yesa friend? no

does she want sympathy? no does she want to get a charitable donation? no

is there some particular relevant feature of the extra sibling? no a health problem? does she state, 'I have a sibling who is X'? no or just 'I have another sibling'Not that, but it's closer

forgot to ask - no relevant if the extra sibling is male or female? if so male?
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Does she say that in a hospital? Doctor's office? Either? During an operation? Filling out a form?
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does she have a relevant medical condition? or thinks she does?
is she trying to get treatment? get out of having treatment? get out of paying for treatment? same questions for diagnostic tests..


you said age is relevant - is it just necessary that she is an adult? is any particular adult age more likely? elderly? middle aged? young adult?

is health insuurance relevant?

does the extra sibling have a relevant feature other than just being her sibling? is the supposed health of the sibling relevant?

does she hope to qualify for something by having this sibling?

is there some familial health trait relevant here?

does she live in the US? would this work elsewhere? in the UK?
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does she have a relevant medical condition? no or thinks she does? no
is she trying to get treatment no get out of having treatment? no get out of paying for treatment? nosame questions for diagnostic tests.. same answers


you said age is relevant - is it just necessary that she is an adult? see next answersis any particular adult age more likely? yes elderly? middle aged? young adult? She's most likely to be between about 30 & 60-65. She oould be less than 35 but is almost certainly not over about 70-75.

is health insuurance relevant? no

does the extra sibling have a relevant feature other than just being her sibling? no is the supposed health of the sibling relevant? no

does she hope to qualify for something by having this sibling? no

is there some familial health trait relevant here? yes

does she she live in the US?It would work in the US would this work elsewhere? yes in the UK? I'm just about certain that it would
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Is she claiming to be a quadruplet? Is she a twin? Triplet?
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the familial health trait - long life? obesity? cancer? some other medical condition? allergies? reaction to particular medicine? good health generally? poor health generally?

when she says it does she think the doctor will be surprised? impressed? worried? skeptical?

does she hope it will change the way she is treated? affect the amount of money she has to spend?

is she pretending that her extra sibling has been treated by this healthcare facility? or will be?
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Is she claiming to be a quadruplet? Is she a twin? Triplet?
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the familial health trait - long life? possibly obesity? no cancer? no some other medical condition? yes allergies? no reaction to particular medicine? no good health generally? nopoor health generally? no

when she says it does she think the doctor will be surprised? no impressed? noworried? yesish skeptical? no

does she hope it will change the way she is treated? noaffect the amount of money she has to spend? possibly

is she pretending that her extra sibling has been treated by this healthcare facility? noor will be? no
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You forgot to answer my questions...

Is the medical condition bad? Good? Is it genetic? Does it cause defects?
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Does she say that in a hospital?possibly Doctor's office? dittoEither? yes During an operation? no Filling out a form? no
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That was the wrong set of questions...
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You forgot to answer my questions... Sorry! See below!

Is the medical condition bad? yes Good? no Is it genetic? irrel Does it cause defects? yes
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You missed them again Felicia Nimue...

Balin's questions at 7.45 were:

Is she claiming to be a quadruplet? Is she a twin? Triplet?

(And I'd like to know the answer too - wish I'd thought of them!)
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You missed them again Felicia Nimue... I duid answer those, but I must have inadvertently deleted the answers. Sorry! Anyway, here goes.

Balin's questions at 7.45 were:

Is she claiming to be a quadruplet? no Is she a twin? no Triplet? no

(And I'd like to know the answer too - wish I'd thought of them!)
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Does the condition cause defects at birth? Internal? External? Heart defect? Does it cause early death?
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Does the condition cause defects at birth? no Internal? yes, but not at birth External? noHeart defect? noDoes it cause early death? possibly
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Is the defect with a particular organ? With the bones? Muscles? Nerves?
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Is the defect with a particular organ?yes With the bones? no Muscles? no Nerves?yope
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Is it a brain defect? Does it cause memory loss?
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Is it a brain defect? yes Does it cause memory loss? yes
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Is it Alzheimer's?
So is she claiming to have the wrong number of children so people/a doctor think(s) she has this condition? Does she receive some benefit in the form of the treatment of her condition?
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Does she have a particular disease/symptom that she's trying to claim is inherited when actually she got it some other way? Relevant what's actually wrong with her? Is there something actually wrong with her?
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Is it Alzheimer's? It;s some form of dementia, whicxh could be Alzheimer's
So is she claiming to have the wrong number of children so people/a doctor think(s) she has this condition? noDoes she receive some benefit in the form of the treatment of her condition? no
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Does she have a particular disease/symptom that she's trying to claim is inherited when actually she got it some other way? noRelevant what's actually wrong with her? yesIs there something actually wrong with her?yope
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Interesting... apologies if I happen to repeat questions:

She tells the doctor she has 3 siblings when she in fact has 2, and this would probably lead the doctor to be worried. Correct? Worried about her physical health? Her mental health? Someone else's? Is she trying to prove that one of her other (real) siblings is mentally unfit?

Is Katrinka's mother relevant? Her father? Any other relative?

Is adoption relevant? Claiming additional dependents?

Is the relative age of the fictional sibling relevant? Is Katrinka the oldest, middle or youngest sibling?
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Does the doctor know she's lying? Does she herself know she's lying? Is she trying to fake a condition?
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Interesting... apologies if I happen to repeat questions:

She tells the doctor she has 3 siblings when she in fact has 2, and this would probably lead the doctor to be worried. Correct? yes Worried about her physical health? no Her mental health? no Someone else's? yes Is she trying to prove that one of her other (real) siblings is mentally unfit? no

Is Katrinka's mother relevant? yesHer father? no Any other relative? no

Is adoption relevant? no Claiming additional dependents no

Is the relative age of the fictional sibling relevant? no Is Katrinka the oldest, middle or youngest sibling? irrel
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Does the doctor know she's lying? no Does she herself know she's lying? yes Is she trying to fake a condition? yes
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Does she actually have dementia? Or is that what she's faking? Is her dementia in a lower stage, and she's pretending to have a more advanced stage?

Is she trying to fake a condition for herself? For someone else? Is she claiming to be Katrinka? To be a nonexistent sibling?
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Does she actually have dementia? noOr is that what she's faking? yes, but see below Is her dementia in a lower stage, and she's pretending to have a more advanced stage? no

Is she trying to fake a condition for herself? For someone else? yes Is she claiming to be Katrinka? yesTo be a nonexistent sibling? no
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is she trying to get her mother declared mentally unfit? by making it seem that her mother has forgotten she has another child? so that she can take over her mother's financial affairs? or otherwise benefit financially from her mother being declared mentally unfit to govern her own affairs?
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is she trying to get her mother declared mentally unfit? yesby making it seem that her mother has forgotten she has another child? yesso that she can take over her mother's financial affairs? yes or otherwise benefit financially from her mother being declared mentally unfit to govern her own affairs? yes

********** SPOILER ************
Whewn Katrinka's old mother fainted, Katrinka took her to an emergency room. After the mother was revived, the doctor, wanting to determine whether the old woman was demented, asked her "How many children do you have?" When she said "two," the doctor asked Katrinka, "How many children does she have?" Recognizing the chance to get her mother declared incompetent & gain control of her mother's assets, Katrinka said, "three."This puzzle is based on an actual case of a woman who realized that she could have ruined her mother's life this way.She didn't do it, but she wrote an article about how doctors should be more careful & less trusting of family members when evaluating an old person for dementia. This is my third puzzle about someone who tries to make a relative look demented! Please check out my new puzzle, with is about something different.

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