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I like it better because I know what it really is. I'm sure most people who like it don't know what it really is, but there's probably at least one other who knows, and likes it.
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Is it food? Drink? Electronic? A substance? Would other people like it less if they knew what it really was? Or more? Is the other person the one who invented it? Is it an invention? Is it disgusting? Is it Slurm? Is it an animal product? Is it tasty? Comfortable? Funny? Expensive? Dangerous?
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Is it food? No Drink? No Electronic? No (tiny ish) A substance? No Would other people like it less if they knew what it really was? Or more? I'd say this Is the other person the one who invented it? No, but he knows what it really is too. And FA. Is it an invention? No Is it disgusting? No Is it Slurm? No (what is Slurm, by the way?) Is it an animal product? No Is it tasty? Comfortable? Funny? Yope Expensive? Dangerous? No to rest
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Is it electric? Electrostatic? Is it an object? A phenomenon? Is it flammable? Amusing? Cool? Do most people like it?
Slurm is a tasty and addictive drink in the TV series Futurama. Turns out it's excreted by a disgusting queen slug-creature.
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Is it electric? No Electrostatic? No Is it an object? Yope A phenomenon? No Is it flammable? No Amusing? More so if you know what it really is, so Yope. Cool? Yesish Do most people like it? Yope
Slurm is a tasty and addictive drink in the TV series Futurama. Turns out it's excreted by a disgusting queen slug-creature. Ah, that's interesting; I've never seen the show, so that's something new for me.
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You should, it's a very funny animated sci-fi comedy show by the creator of The Simpsons. It has lots of very nerdy/clever humor, as most of the writers have Ph.D.s in various scientific fields.
Is it an act? A joke? Is it something done with an object? with multiple objects? Is fire involved? Danger? Improvisation?
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Is it an act? Noish A joke? Yope Is it something done with an object? Yope with multiple objects? Yope Is fire involved? Danger? Improvisation? None of these
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Is it something done with an imaginary object? Something done with a non-object? A force? A gas? Liquid? A substance? Is a person involved in "it"? More than one?
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Is it something done with an imaginary object? No, FA Something done with a non-object? No, FA A force? No A gas? No Liquid? No A substance? No Is a person involved in "it"? Yes More than one? Yes
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Is it a game? Is it acrobatic? Language involved? Problem solving? Riddles? LTPF? Singing? Dancing? Are the yopish objects people?
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Is it a game? Is it acrobatic? Language involved? Problem solving? Riddles? LTPF? Singing? Only this Dancing? Are the yopish objects people? No, FA
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Is it a style of song? A specific song? Is it sung by several people? Two people? Instruments involved?
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Is it a style of song? Yope, but... A specific song? Yes! Is it sung by several people? Two people? This, but beware FA Instruments involved? Yope, possible FA
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Is it sung by two real live people? Is the first H? A? M? How about the second? Computers involved? Is it sung by a ventriloquist pretending to be two people? Is someone imitating instrument sounds?
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Is it sung by two real live people? Yes Is the first H? A? M? Yes How about the second? HAF Computers involved? No Is it sung by a ventriloquist pretending to be two people? No Is someone imitating instrument sounds? No

BLOOPER: "Instruments involved?" should be Yes, but possible FA
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Is it performed a cappella?
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Is it performed a cappella? No
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Is it sung into an instrument? Is electronics involved? Is it performed live?
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Is it sung into an instrument? No Is electronics involved? Yes, but OTWT Is it performed live? Only when the band who sings the song performs it live.

I fear my answers may have been misleading, so here's a HINT: Ignore the technical aspects of the song, and try to figure out which song it is.
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Is the band from [LTPF of continents]? Are the two people the only members? Is the song famous? Well known? Is the band any of the above? Did they write and compose the song?
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Is the band from [LTPF of continents]? North America Are the two people the only members? No, FA Is the song famous? Yes Well known? Yes Is the band any of the above? Both Did they write and compose the song? Yes
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Are the two people both band members? At the same time? Or is only one of them? Or none of them?
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Are the two people both band members? Noish At the same time? No Or is only one of them? This, and I'll just say it; the other provided back-up vocals for this one song. Or none of them? See prev
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Did he sing backup? Or she? Is the non-bandmember relvant to "what it really is"? Is the nonmember famous? For the song? For something else? Something not related to singing?
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Did he sing backup? No Or she? Yes Is the non-bandmember relvant to "what it really is"? No Is the nonmember famous? Yes For the song? No For something else? Yes Something not related to singing? No
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Is she from another band? Is she a famous singer? Is the song older than: 10 years? 20? 30? 50? 100? Are the lyrics relevant? Their meaning? double/hidden meanings?
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Is she from another band? Yes Is she a famous singer? Yes. However, she is pretty much irrelevant to the puzzle. Is the song older than: 10 years? This... 20? ...and almost this, but not quite. 30? 50? 100? Are the lyrics relevant? Yesish Their meaning? Yesish double/hidden meanings? Yope
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Is the writer or composer of the song relevant? Conditions under which it was made? Inspiration for the song? Was it written and composed by the same person?
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Is the writer or composer of the song relevant? Yope Conditions under which it was made? Yope, with svv of "conditions" Inspiration for the song? Yes Was it written and composed by the same person? Yes, although I believe it was more than one person. I could be mistaken though.
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was the inspiration a: person? Object? Event? Natural phenomenon? Disaster? War relevant? Epidemics? Terrorism? Bad weather? Pollution? Politics? Something else unpleasant? Something pleasant?
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was the inspiration a: person? Object? Yope... Event? ...and this. Natural phenomenon? Disaster? War relevant? Epidemics? Terrorism? Yope Bad weather? Pollution? Politics? This is also involved... Something else unpleasant? ...as it this, very much... Something pleasant? ...and finally this-ish, but only laterally.
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An assassination? A well known one? such as MLK? Or Kennedy? A murder? A fight? Organized crime involved? Do most people who like it not know about the source of inspiration? Is the Cold War relevant?
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An assassination? No A well known one? such as MLK? Or Kennedy? Hence no to all these A murder? Noish A fight? Noish Organized crime involved? Noish Do most people who like it not know about the source of inspiration? Yes Is the Cold War relevant? No
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Did someone die? Get sick? Injured? Tortured? Kidnapped? Chased? Was it a scandal? Watergate?
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Did someone die? Yes Get sick? No Injured? Yes Tortured? I think so Kidnapped? Yope Chased? Yope Was it a scandal? Noish Watergate? No
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Criminals invovled? The military? Police? Did someone get arrested? Executed? Punished? Did the event happen in the US? Relevant how many people were involved? Conspiracies relevant? Secrets? Shootings? Riots? Racism involved?
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Criminals invovled? Noish The military? Yes Police? Yes Did someone get arrested? Yes Executed? Yes Punished? DOYD of "punished" Did the event happen in the US? No Relevant how many people were involved? Just that there were a lot Conspiracies relevant? Secrets? Shootings? Riots? Mainly this Racism involved?
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Were the riots in [LTPF list of continents]? Was there a revolution? A massacre? Did it happen almost 20 years ago?
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Were the riots in [LTPF list of continents]? Asia Was there a revolution? No (tiny ish) A massacre? Yes Did it happen almost 20 years ago? Yes - a little over 20 years ago
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The Tiananmen Square massacre?
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The Tiananmen Square massacre? Yes, and the protests.

Now what's the song, and what is it really?
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REM involved in this one?
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REM involved in this one? Yep =)
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Hmmm REM... 20 years ago... a female backing vocals... Shiny Happy People? :-)
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Hmmm REM... 20 years ago... a female backing vocals... Shiny Happy People? :-) Yes!

Now what is it really, and the bonus: who is that other person?
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Google or Wiki would be too easy, so let's not use them :-)

So if I understand it right, you like Shiny Happy People more than "the average music listener" because you know what it really is, correct?

Is there some specific feature about the song which is unknown to "the average music listener"? Some hidden words? Reverse words? Hidden meaning in the text?

The reason why you like it more, is it related to the Tiananmen protests?
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Google or Wiki would be too easy, so let's not use them :-)

So if I understand it right, you like Shiny Happy People Yes more than "the average music listener" Possibly, but assume no because you know what it really is, correct? Yes

Is there some specific feature about the song which is unknown to "the average music listener"? Yes Some hidden words? No Reverse words? No Hidden meaning in the text? Yope

The reason why you like it more, is it related to the Tiananmen protests? Yes, but this could lead down a stray path
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Is your reason for liking it more related to the musical part? If so, melody? Arrangement? Used instruments? Voices?
Or is it related to lyrics? If so, general topic? Title? Some specific verse? Specific line? Specific word?
Can we solve the puzzle without knowing the song lyrics or do we have to have a look at them?
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Is your reason for liking it more related to the musical part? Yope If so, melody? Arrangement? Used instruments? Voices? Hmmm...tone, I'd say. Also see next answers
Or is it related to lyrics? Partially If so, general topic? This Title? Some specific verse? Specific line? Specific word?
Can we solve the puzzle without knowing the song lyrics or do we have to have a look at them? Maybe. Feel free to take a look.
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Would you like it the same if:
The male voice sang the whole song?
The female voice sang the whole song?
Male and female voices sang each one the other's part (Female main, male backing) ?
Another male voice (different than Micheal Stipe) sang the main part?
Another female voice sang the backing part?
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Would you like it the same if:
The male voice sang the whole song?
The female voice sang the whole song?
Male and female voices sang each one the other's part (Female main, male backing) ?
Another male voice (different than Micheal Stipe) sang the main part?
Another female voice sang the backing part? Irrel to all
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The connection between the reason why you like it more and the Tiananmen protest, is it something objective, that everyone could find? Or is it something that you only found? That you only could find? Something related to your own experience/knowledge of the protests?

Did R.E.M ever acknowledge this connection? Relevant?

Talking about "tone", what do you really mean by that: voice tone? Treble/bass? Guitar tone? Other instruments? General tone of the song? Equalization relevant?
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The connection between the reason why you like it more and the Tiananmen protest, is it something objective, that everyone could find? Yes Or is it something that you only found? That you only could find? Something related to your own experience/knowledge of the protests? No to all

Did R.E.M ever acknowledge this connection? I think so, but not sure Relevant? Yope

Talking about "tone", what do you really mean by that: voice tone? Treble/bass? Guitar tone? Other instruments? General tone of the song? This Equalization relevant? No
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Sorry to insist on the same point :-) but I fear I don't understand the exact meaning of "tone"...

So for instance could the "tone" be: Low or high? Could it be a note (ex. C#, F, Eb)? Could it be nice or ugly? Kind or aggressive?

Hope this is relevant... :-P
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Sorry to insist on the same point :-) but I fear I don't understand the exact meaning of "tone"... It's OK, I've been kinda vague. Sorry.

So for instance could the "tone" be: Low or high? Could it be a note (ex. C#, F, Eb)? Could it be nice or ugly? This-ish Kind or aggressive?

Hope this is relevant... :-P
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Let me concentrate on "what it is really"...
Is it a protest? a joke? a hidden message? a description? a poem? a pun? a novel? a story?

Do you know the other person who knows "what it is really"? Is he famous? Relevant his age? Location? Profession?
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Let me concentrate on "what it is really"...
Is it a protest? a joke? Yope a hidden message? a description? a poem? a pun? a novel? a story?

Do you know the other person who knows "what it is really"? Yope, and recall; I'm not 100% sure that he knows what it is really, but it is highly likely that he does. Is he famous? No Relevant his age? Yope Location? Yope Profession? No, but...
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HINT: Genre is relevant.
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What do you mean by genre? Genre of the song? Of the band? Of the music the band plays? Of the joke? Is it a more criptic hint?
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What do you mean by genre? Genre of the song? This... Of the band? Of the music the band plays? Of the joke? ...but also this... Is it a more criptic hint? ...and a little of this. For not everything is as it seems.
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Hmmm things get darker and darker... let's try to explore...

Any of these words relevant: pop, rock, indie, alternative, new wave, jangle, ballad?

Genre of the joke: satire? irony? sarcasm? word play? punchline?
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Hmmm things get darker and darker... let's try to explore...

Any of these words relevant: pop This , rock, indie, alternative, new wave, jangle, ballad?

Genre of the joke: satire? This irony? sarcasm? word play? punchline?
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So let me try a short recap... most people like Shiny Happy People as pop song, but they don't know that it actually is a satire about Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. You know that, and you like it more for this reason. Correct till now?

Now, I guess I'm totally missing the lateral part of it... Is it only connected to the other person who probably knows and likes it, or is there still something to find about the song?
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So let me try a short recap... most people like Shiny Happy People as pop song, Yes but they don't know that it actually is a satire about Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. Yes You know that, and you like it more for this reason. Yes Correct till now? Yep

Now, I guess I'm totally missing the lateral part of it... No, you've pretty much got everything. Is it only connected to the other person who probably knows and likes it, or is there still something to find about the song? I'd say we have more than enough for a

**********SPOILER**********

"The communist Chinese government issued a propaganda leaflet during the 1989 pro-democracy Tiananmen Square protests, claiming that protestors were alone in their dissent and that the rest of China was 'shiny happy people holding hands.' Michael Stipe...wrote a song based on that leaflet - the sappiest, most brainless pop song he could imagine. It was supposed to be a satirical joke mocking people who ignore tragedy and world events. It didn't work. Most people thought 'Shiny Happy People' was a catchy pop song, not a parody of a catchy pop song. It reached the Billboard Top 10, one of only four REM songs to do so. It was such a contrast to REM's usual straightforward, socially conscious music that Stipe issued a public apology for the song. The band never played 'Shiny Happy People' live after 1991 and, despite it being one of their few actual hits, they refused to include it on their 2003 greatest hits album." [Source: Uncle John's Bathroom Reader Plunges into Music, "I Hate My Song," p. 123.]

And for curious eyes: The person who I think probably knows the real reason behind the song, and if so, probably likes it, is our own Peter365, who, as a big REM buff, probably knows more about the song than I do. But that's only my speculation.

And as for the title, this is my third REM puzzle, and "Shiny Happy People" was REM's fourth (and final) single to reach the Billboard Top 10...hence, "Number 3, Number 4."

Kudos of the day go to Galfisk for the early groundwork and Mattiel for the solve.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 9:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice! I am indeed part of those who liked that song just as a catchy pop song, and from now on i'll be the third one in the forum to like it better because of what it really is ;-)

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