| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5723 Registered: 8-2001 |
Meridel was a faithful and traditional Catholic, but her parish priest thought that she was sexually promiscuous. How come? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2953 Registered: 4-2010 |
Confession relevant? Is her priest HAM? Did the priest develop this belief over the course of: a few seconds? A few minutes? A few hours? A few days? Longer? Is Meridel's choice of clothing relevant? Did the priest mishear something? Misinterpret? Did the priest develop this belief through talking with Meridel? Seeing her? Overhearing something? A conversation? Phone call? Something in church? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2733 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does Meridel have children? relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5724 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2953 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 3:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Confession relevant? no Is her priest HAM? yesDid the priest develop this belief over the course of: a few seconds? A few minutes? A few hours? A few days? Longer? a few seconds Is Meridel's choice of clothing relevant? no Did the priest mishear something? no Misinterpret? yes Did the priest develop this belief through talking with Meridel? yesSeeing her? irrel whether the relevant conversation was face-to-face or on the phoneOverhearing something? no A conversation? The priest had a conversation with Meridel Phone call? possibly Something in church? yope Peter365 (Peter365) New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2733 Registered: 1-2007 Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 11:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does Meridel have children? yesrelevant? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2966 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Meridel say something about her children? That she had children? Is Meridel married? Relevant? Has she been previously married? Are her children biologically hers? Has she adopted any? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1053 Registered: 7-2001 |
by 'sexually promiscuous' did he think that her children had different fathers? that she had had a lot of sexual partners? one at a time? that she had more than one sexual partner at the same time? that she was adulterous? that she slept with men very soon after meeting them? that she slept with men without knowing much about them? that she slept with men without thinking of the consequences? that she flirted with men? did he think she was flirting with him? with someone else relevant? could this circumstance have arisen if she didn't have children? did he hear her refer to her children? to their father? did he hear her refer to children and thought they were hers? when actually they were not? does she look after other people's children? relevant? is her job relevant? her age? her health? her hobbies? her education? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5729 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2966 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 7:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Meridel say something about her children? yes That she had children? more specific Is Meridel married? yes Relevant? yes Has she been previously married? no Are her children biologically hers? irrelHas she adopted any? irrel Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1053 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 8:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) by 'sexually promiscuous' did he think that her children had different fathers? no that she had had a lot of sexual partners? yes one at a time? no that she had more than one sexual partner at the same time? yes (in the sense that this is possible)that she was adulterous? possibly that she slept with men very soon after meeting them? yesthat she slept with men without knowing much about them? yes that she slept with men without thinking of the consequences? possiblythat she flirted with men? irrel did he think she was flirting with him? nowith someone else relevant? no could this circumstance have arisen if she didn't have children? no did he hear her refer to her children? yes to their father? yopedid he hear her refer to children and thought they were hers? yes when actually they were not? no does she look after other people's children? irrel relevant? no is her job relevant? no her age? no her health? no her hobbies? no her education? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2971 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant how many children she had? Whether they were male or female? Did Meridel have a lot of children? And the priest assumed they were from different fathers? And thus that Meridel had a lot of sexual partners? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1055 Registered: 7-2001 |
did he think she said she did not know who the father of her child(ren) was? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5732 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2971 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 9:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Relevant how many children she had?no Whether they were male or female? no Did Meridel have a lot of children? irrel And the priest assumed they were from different fathers? noAnd thus that Meridel had a lot of sexual partners? no Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1055 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 10:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did he think she said she did not know who the father of her child(ren) was? no, but you're ORT | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2983 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she mention the father in the conversation? Her children? Was it a specific sentence that gave the priest this belief? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2746 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the children's sex relevant? Did she call her sons something like "the men in her life"? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5734 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2983 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 3:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she mention the father in the conversation? noish Her children? no Was it a specific sentence that gave the priest this belief? yes Peter365 (Peter365) New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2746 Registered: 1-2007 Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the children's sex relevant? no Did she call her sons something like "the men in her life"? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2992 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she mention her husband? Did she use the word "partner"? Maybe to mean business partner? But the priest thought she meant sexual partner? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5736 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2992 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 6:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she mention her husband? noish Did she use the word "partner"? no Maybe to mean business partner? no But the priest thought she meant sexual partner? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1058 Registered: 7-2001 |
are her children's surnames relevant? do they have different surnames? or did the priest think they did? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5740 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1058 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 10:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) are her children's surnames relevant? no do they have different surnames? irrel or did the priest think they did? ditto | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3010 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she mention any person by name? By relationship? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2753 Registered: 1-2007 |
Would you describe the reason for the Priest's mistake as a scrund? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5741 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3010 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin probably but not necessarily By relationship? yes Peter365 (Peter365) New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2753 Registered: 1-2007 Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 10:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would you describe the reason for the Priest's mistake as a scrund? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3062 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she mention someone related to her? Her husband? Her children? Did the priest misunderstand the relationship? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5744 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3062 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 11:48 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did she mention someone related to her? yes Her husband? noish Her children? yesDid the priest misunderstand the relationship? yes or yesish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3074 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she mention that they were her children? Her husband's? Did the priest think that the children were not the husband's? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5746 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3074 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 8:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she mention that they were her children? yesHer husband's?no Did the priest think that the children were not the husband's? yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3004 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did she use the word "father"? "Fathers"? Relevant that priests are referred to as "father"? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2763 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is her husband still alive? relevant? I was thinking that if her husband died when her children were young then she might have said something like "my children never knew their father" which could be misunderstood. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5748 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3004 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 9:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she use the word "father"?No, but you're ORT"Fathers"? ditto Relevant that priests are referred to as "father"? yes. GOOOOOOD QUESTION!! Peter365 (Peter365) New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2763 Registered: 1-2007 Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 10:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is her husband still alive? irrelrelevant? noI was thinking that if her husband died when her children were young then she might have said something like "my children never knew their father" which could be misunderstood. No, but you're ORT | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5754 Registered: 8-2001 |
RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle description: Meridel was talking to the priest about one of her children, and ambiguity of the word 'father,' which can mean either 'male parent' or 'priest,' is relevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3405 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she call the priest "Father"? Did she use another word meaning "father"? As in the priest sense? As in the parental sense? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5760 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3405 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, August 20, 2010 - 5:09 pm: Did she call the priest "Father"? noish Did she use another word meaning "father"? no As in the priest sense? noAs in the parental sense? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3451 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she address the priest with a title? Relevant? Relevant which title? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5764 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3451 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 - 1:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she address the priest with a title? noish, but you're ORTRelevant? yesRelevant which title? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3481 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she address the priest by name? By occupation? As "priest"? Is her child present? Has she told the child to address the priest as "Father"? Someone else as "Father"? And the priest thinks this is because her husband is not the child's father? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5767 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3481 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 - 8:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she address the priest by name? no By occupation? yope As "priest"? noIs her child present? irrel Has she told the child to address the priest as "Father"? no Someone else as "Father"? no And the priest thinks this is because her husband is not the child's father? no, but you're ORT | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3114 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was she making a joke? Play on words? Referring to the priest (or a priest) as a parent? Using another word for "father"? Such as "dad"? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5778 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3114 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 4:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was she making a joke? no Play on words? yope Referring to the priest (or a priest) as a parent? noUsing another word for "father"? noSuch as "dad"? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3155 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the priest use the word "father"? Did he misunderstand something she said? Did she misunderstand something he said? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5784 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3155 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, August 27, 2010 - 11:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the priest use the word "father yes Did he misunderstand something she said? yes Did she misunderstand something he said? yes. GOOOOOOOOOOD QUESTIONS!! | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1066 Registered: 7-2001 |
did he ask her something? who the father was? something about her children's father? some question using the word father but actually referring to hinslef? or another priest? did she reply? and misunderstood his question? and replied in a way that made it seem she was promiscuous? did she say something that made him think her husband was not her childrens' father? that someone else was? that she didn't know who was? that a number of men might be? did he think she was addressing him by title? did he think something she said related to her child when actually it related to him? or think that something she said related to someone else but actually related to him? or did he think she referred to him but actually she was referring to someone else? was another priest mentioned? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5792 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1066 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 5:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did he ask her something? yes who the father was? yes something about her children's father? no some question using the word father but actually referring to hinslef? no or another priest? yes did she reply? yesand misunderstood his question? yes and replied in a way that made it seem she was promiscuous? yes did she say something that made him think her husband was not her childrens' father? yesthat someone else was? yes that she didn't know who was? yes that a number of men might be? yes did he think she was addressing him by title? no did he think something she said related to her child when actually it related to him? noor think that something she said related to someone else but actually related to him? noor did he think she referred to him but actually she was referring to someone else? nowas another priest mentioned yes This is close enough for me to declare a ********** SPOILER *************** When Meridel, who was new to her parish, telephoned the parish priest to arrange for her daughter's first communion, he asked, "Where has she been christened?" "What is the father's name?"Thinking that when the priest said 'the father,' he was referring to the priest who christened the child, Merdiel replied that she wasn't sure, but it could have been one of several people. But the priest was asking for the name of the child's father! So you can imagine what he concluded about Meridel! This is based on a true story. Thanks for sticking with it, everyone, and for solving it, Hannah, and you know where to find my replacement puzzle. |
