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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 1:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man is lying dead in the sand, apparently trampled. What happened?

Probably a quickie
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 1:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the sand: a beach? A desert? A pile of sand? Something else? Was he trampled? Or does it only look that way? Are there tracks in the sand? Of human(s)? Animal(s)? Vehicle(s)?
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Is the sand: a beach? A desert? A pile of sand? Something else? This Was he trampled? No Or does it only look that way? Yes Are there tracks in the sand? Yope Of human(s)? Animal(s)? Yope Vehicle(s)?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 1:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a golf bunker(with apologies to Dustin Johnson fans)?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 2:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a golf bunker(with apologies to Dustin Johnson fans)? No, but OTRT
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 2:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he killed? Died by accident? Downfall from great height? Illness? Asphyxia? Hypothermia?
Relevant when this happens? Relevant where?
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Was he killed? Yes Died by accident? Downfall from great height? Illness? Asphyxia? Hypothermia? No to rest
Relevant when this happens? No; this is FMOI Relevant where? Yes, DOYD of "where"
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 2:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he shot? Hit by some object (stone, etc.)? Crushed by something? An object? A vehicle? An animal?
Location: relevant the continent? Country? Town? Or relevant the physical location (ex. countryside, wood, desert, etc.)?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 2:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he shot? Hit by some object (stone, etc.)? This, but not a stone Crushed by something? An object? A vehicle? An animal?
Location: relevant the continent? Country? Town? Or relevant the physical location Yesish (ex. countryside, wood, desert, etc.)? No to rest
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 2:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there animal-looking tracks which are actyually from something else? Did a heavy object roll over him? Or fall on him? Is the man HAM?
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Are there animal-looking tracks which are actyually from something else? Yes! Did a heavy object roll over him? No Or fall on him? No Is the man HAM? Yes
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Size of the object which hit him: larger than a tennis ball? a basket ball? TV? An armchair?
Was the object directly thrown towards him by someone? With his own hands or with the aid of some mechanical device? Catapult? Any other lever-system?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 3:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is "the sand" in a contained area, as in a sandbox?
Or is it moreso an expanse of sand, like a seashore or a portion of a desert?
Is the sand on the ground? Or is it somehow at an elevation?
Is the man lying on level ground? On a slope?
Is the body found lying at the same place at which the man's death occurred? Or does it appear that he was trampled elsewhere, then "dumped" at this sandy place?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Size of the object which hit him: larger than a tennis ball? This a basket ball? TV? An armchair?
Was the object directly thrown towards him by someone? With his own hands or with the aid of some mechanical device? Catapult? Any other lever-system? All questions based on an FA

Is "the sand" in a contained area, Yes... as in a sandbox? ...but not this.
Or is it moreso an expanse of sand, like a seashore or a portion of a desert? Ergo no
Is the sand on the ground? This Or is it somehow at an elevation?
Is the man lying on level ground? This On a slope?
Is the body found lying at the same place at which the man's death occurred? This Or does it appear that he was trampled elsewhere, then "dumped" at this sandy place?
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Just prior to the man's death, was he standing upright? Squatting? Kneeling? Lying down? Sitting? In some other position?
Was the man murdered?
Was any other person within 100 yards of the man when he died?
Did any other person witness the mans' death?
Is the sand in a playground? Some kind of recreational area? In an area that is bordered by something?
Did the man see any animal(s) prior to his death?
Were any animals within 100 yards of the man when he died? After he died?
Did the man die as a result of something striking him? Multiple things striking him?
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Just prior to the man's death, was he standing upright? This Squatting? Kneeling? Lying down? Sitting? In some other position?
Was the man murdered? Yes
Was any other person within 100 yards of the man when he died? Yes, the killer
Did any other person witness the mans' death? Yes, the killer
Is the sand in a playground? No Some kind of recreational area? Yes In an area that is bordered by something? Yesish
Did the man see any animal(s) prior to his death? No
Were any animals within 100 yards of the man when he died? No After he died? No
Did the man die as a result of something striking him? Yes Multiple things striking him? No
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 5:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the thing striking him also make the tracks? Did it strike him multiple times? Was it deliberately made out to look like a trampling? Was the object a rock? Is the motive for the murder relevant? Is the profession of the victim relevant? Or of the murderer? Relevant why the victim was in the sandy area? Is it a sand quarry? Is the object present? Was it damaged?
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Did the thing striking him also make the tracks? Yes (tiny ish) Did it strike him multiple times? Yes Was it deliberately made out to look like a trampling? Yope Was the object a rock? No Is the motive for the murder relevant? Yes Is the profession of the victim relevant? No... Or of the murderer? No... Relevant why the victim was in the sandy area? Yes Is it a sand quarry? No Is the object present? Not anymore Was it damaged? Yes
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the object manmade? Did it consist of sand? Or contain it? Was it destroyed? Was it on a rope? Or bungee? Did it swing? Bounce? Were the "tracks" made times when the object missed the man? Was the man awake? Did he try to get away? Any more people relevant than the victim and the murderer?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 6:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the object manmade? Yes Did it consist of sand? No Or contain it? No Was it destroyed? No Was it on a rope? No Or bungee? No Did it swing? No Bounce? No Were the "tracks" made times when the object missed the man? No Was the man awake? Yes Did he try to get away? No... Any more people relevant than the victim and the murderer? No

There's an underlying FA in all these questions.
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the murderer strike the victim? With his body? Or a body part? Was a weapon involved? Did the man die from blunt force trauma? Did they both try to kill each other? Was the murder premeditated? Was it accidental?
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Did the murderer strike the victim? Yes With his body? No Or a body part? No Was a weapon involved? Yes Did the man die from blunt force trauma? Yes Did they both try to kill each other? No, but... Was the murder premeditated? No Was it accidental? No
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Did the victim defend himself? Did he injure the murderer? Was the weapon handheld?
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Did the victim defend himself? No Did he injure the murderer? No Was the weapon handheld? Yes
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Was the weapon a pair of nunchucks? A bat? Was it made from: metal? Wood? Rubber? Fabric? Explosives? Bone? Was it improvised? Was it designed to kill? Did the victim die from one hit? Was he ambushed? Is the sand outside? Is the sandy area manmade?
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Was the weapon a pair of nunchucks? No A bat? No Was it made from: metal? This Wood? Rubber? Fabric? Explosives? Bone? Was it improvised? Yes Was it designed to kill? No Did the victim die from one hit? No Was he ambushed? No Is the sand outside? Yes Is the sandy area manmade? Yes
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Was the weapon a tool? A kitchen utensil? A machine? Did the murderer bring it? Or did the victim? Or was it found at the sandy place? Did the victim see the murderer? Did they communicate? Was the murder made to look like a trampling after the fact? Or did the murder method make it look that way?
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Was the weapon a tool? No A kitchen utensil? No A machine? No Did the murderer bring it? No Or did the victim? No Or was it found at the sandy place? This Did the victim see the murderer? Yes Did they communicate? Yes Was the murder made to look like a trampling after the fact? No (tiny ish) Or did the murder method make it look that way? This (tiny ish)
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Was the weapon designed to be used for something else? Or was it a byproduct? A waste product? Some scrap metal? Is this sort of object usually found in this sort of sandy place? Did it strike the sand? Did it leave the hand of the murderer during the murder? Did he use both hands? Is the object mechanical? Is it one piece of metal? Does it have moving parts? Is it a toy? Is the sand meant to be: played on? Sat on? Walked on? Sculpted? Were they making sand castles, and one killed the other when he ruined a sand castle?
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Was the weapon designed to be used for something else? This Or was it a byproduct? A waste product? Some scrap metal? So no to these Is this sort of object usually found in this sort of sandy place? Yes Did it strike the sand? Not at the time of the murder, but earlier, it did Did it leave the hand of the murderer during the murder? No Did he use both hands? No Is the object mechanical? No Is it one piece of metal? Yes Does it have moving parts? No Is it a toy? Yes, DOYD of "toy" Is the sand meant to be: played on? Yes, DOYD of "played on" Sat on? No Walked on? No (tiny ish) Sculpted? No Were they making sand castles, and one killed the other when he ruined a sand castle? No
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Played on: by children? Adults? Athletes? Is the weapon a sports implement? A ball used for shot put? Is the murderer an athlete? Is the victim?
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Played on: by children? Adults? Athletes? Yes to all three Is the weapon a sports implement? Yes A ball used for shot put? But not this Is the murderer an athlete? Is the victim? Yes to both
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Is it a ball? Is it meant to be thrown? Is it heavy? Does it have sharp edges? Was the murder committed in anger? Were they professional rivals? Romantic rivals?
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Is it a ball? No Is it meant to be thrown? Yes Is it heavy? Yope (DOYD of "heavy") Does it have sharp edges? No Was the murder committed in anger? Yes Were they professional rivals? No, but... Romantic rivals? No
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Were they competing? Training? Rivals of some other sort? Did the event that lead to the anger happen then and there? Or earlier? Relevant? Is the object a: javelin? Discus? Throwing hammer? Is it an Olympic sport? Team sport?
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Were they competing? Yes, but just for recreation Training? Rivals of some other sort? No to rest Did the event that lead to the anger happen then and there? This Or earlier? Relevant? Yes Is the object a: javelin? Discus? Throwing hammer? None of these Is it an Olympic sport? Team sport? Neither
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Did one sabotage for the other one? Or hurt him? Or steal from him? Was it intentional? Does the sport require: strength? Accuracy? Stamina? Intelligence? Is the sport well known worldwide?
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Did one sabotage for the other one? Or hurt him? Or steal from him? No to all, with a slight "ish" on "sabotage" Was it intentional? Was what intentional? Does the sport require: strength? Partially this Accuracy? Mainly this Stamina? Intelligence? Is the sport well known worldwide? Yes
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Archery? Pole vaulting? Gymnastics? Lawn darts? Horseshoes? A track and field type of event?
Is the color of the sand relevant?
Did this take place on a golf course? Is golf equipment relevant?
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Archery? Pole vaulting? Gymnastics? Lawn darts? Horseshoes? This! A track and field type of event?
Is the color of the sand relevant?
Did this take place on a golf course? Is golf equipment relevant?

I think all the pieces are on the table; now someone just needs to put everything together.
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I knew it!
Two men were playing horseshoes, and an argument ensued (possibly about which was closest to the pole). The argument ended when one of the men struck the other with a horseshoe, killing him. This took place in the sandy area where the poles are located, so to an observer it would appear that the deceased was trampled by horses based on horseshoe marks left in the sand - how's that?
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I knew it!
Two men were playing horseshoes, and an argument ensued (possibly about which was closest to the pole). The argument ended when one of the men struck the other with a horseshoe, killing him. This took place in the sandy area where the poles are located, so to an observer it would appear that the deceased was trampled by horses based on horseshoe marks left in the sand - how's that? That is perfect, and therefore a

**********SPOILER**********

All I need to add is that the killer removed the horseshoes and stakes from the playing area before fleeing the scene, and that the multiple horseshoe blows would reinforce the apparent image of a death by trampling.

Excellent job, everyone, especially Galfisk for a majority of the groundwork, and Ixoye for the solve.
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I'm amazed that my mind went into gear that quickly - good puzzle!

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