| Author | Message | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 144 Registered: 9-2009 |
If he would have been more cooperative, I wouldn't end up being the icon of the city | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3825 Registered: 4-2010 |
I = you? Someone else? HAM? HAF? True story? FYOI? FSEI? He = HAM? HCM? Icon: a good thing? Bad? Embarrassing? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 150 Registered: 9-2009 |
I = you? This Someone else? HAM? AFAIK :=) HAF? True story? Yes FYOI? FSEI? He = HAM? Yes HCM? Icon: a good thing? Bad? Embarrassing?Nope to the latter, hopefully no but anyway irrel to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3831 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you know him? Is he your friend? Relative? Acquaintance? Co-worker? Complete stranger? Someone you see daily? Is anyone else relevant? If so, HAM? HAF? More than one person? If so, [LTPF list of integers]? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 151 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do you know him? Is he your friend? Relative? Acquaintance? Co-worker? Complete stranger? This Someone you see daily? Is anyone else relevant? Yes If so, HAM? HAF? Mixed More than one person? Yes If so, [LTPF list of integers]? I don't know the number exactly, I assume more than 40 to less that 100. In this range.. number not really relevant | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3834 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are these HA-Mixed people coworkers? Classmates? People you know? Or have heard of? People who live in the city? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 153 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are these HA-Mixed people coworkers? Classmates? People you know? Or have heard of? People who live in the city? No to all with a NO to the latter | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3839 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you live in the city? Do you live in the same place as all the people? Do they all live in the same place? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 155 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do you live in the city? FA Do you live in the same place as all the people? Involved in puzzle? No! Do they all live in the same place? I don't think so, but irrel | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3843 Registered: 4-2010 |
The city in the puzzle statement - is it a literal city? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 157 Registered: 9-2009 |
The city in the puzzle statement - is it a literal city? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3848 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does anyone live in the city? Do you? Does the unknown "he"? Do any of the people? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 158 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does anyone live in the city? Yes Do you? No Does the unknown "he"? Yes Do any of the people? No - good q. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3882 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you want to be the "icon of the city"? Does being "the icon of the city" involve an image of you? Rumors about you? A story about you? Something you did? Are the "other people" involved in your becoming the "icon"? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 159 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you want to be the "icon of the city"? No Does being "the icon of the city" involve an image of you? Yes, possibly more than one Rumors about you? A story about you? Something you did? This was one of the reasons I have become the "icon of the city" Are the "other people" involved in your becoming the "icon"? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3886 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the something you did newsworthy? Astounding? Heroic? Amazing? Incredibly dumb? Ordinary? Did you do the something in the city? Were any of the people around when you did this thing? Was the unknown "he"? Image of you - a photograph? Poster? Drawing? Engraving? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 160 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the something you did newsworthy? Astounding? Heroic? Amazing? Incredibly dumb? Ordinary? It was unusual in some way, but none of the above Did you do the something in the city? Yes Were any of the people around when you did this thing? Yes, at some point Was the unknown "he"? Yes Image of you - a photograph? This. Probably more than onePoster? Drawing? Engraving? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3901 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a monument involve? Did you do something ordinary in an unusual location? Is the specific location relevant? Did you request not to be the "icon"? Is that how "he" (can we give him a name - how about "Barney"?) was uncooperative? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 161 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is a monument involve? Noish Did you do something ordinary in an unusual location? No Is the specific location relevant? No, just that it was happening in a city Did you request not to be the "icon"? No Is that how "he" (can we give him a name - how about "Barney"?) was uncooperative? Is his lack of cooperation that made me do that unusual thing and thus ended up in me becoming an icon of the city. Hint: Another person -- other than Barney and the 40-100 people is relevant, though I don't know if discovering who this person is or has done will lead us to the solution quicker. Your call! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3902 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were the 40-100 people in the same place? At the same time? Did you do the thing alone? With Barney? With the other person? Other person - HAM? HAF? HCM? HCF? HTM? HTF? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 162 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the 40-100 people in the same place? Yes At the same time? Assume yes Did you do the thing alone? With Barney? This With the other person? So, no Other person - HAM? HAF? This HCM? HCF? HTM? HTF? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3903 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the other person related to you? To Barney? Can we call her Cassandra? Is the "same place" a private residence? A public place? A building? Park? Stadium? Auditorium? Shop or store? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 163 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the other person related to you? Yes To Barney? No Can we call her Cassandra? Sure Is the "same place" a private residence? A public place? This. No to the rest A building? Park? Stadium? Auditorium? Shop or store? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3923 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the other person your wife? Daughter? Sister? Mother? Aunt? Cousin? Grandmother? Granddaughter? Niece? Is the public place outdoors? A street? A place used for athletics? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 164 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the other person your wife? This. To not lead you astray too much, I should add here that she is involved only in the larger story and knowing what she did is not directly necessary for the puzzle to be solved. Enquiring more about Barney and "the people" might be more rewardingDaughter? Sister? Mother? Aunt? Cousin? Grandmother? Granddaughter? Niece? Is the public place outdoors? Yes A street? This A place used for athletics? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3938 Registered: 4-2010 |
When you did the thing, were you being watched? By Barney? By the people? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 167 Registered: 9-2009 |
When you did the thing, were you being watched? By Barney? Yesish, but irr By the people? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3941 Registered: 4-2010 |
So you were on the street, correct? And the people also were? Were you performing? Is music relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 177 Registered: 9-2009 |
So you were on the street, correct? CorrectAnd the people also were? Yes Were you performing? No, it is simpler than that Is music relevant? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3961 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were you just walking? Did you do a good deed? Be a "Good Samaritan"? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 179 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you just walking? No, I was sitting Did you do a good deed? Be a "Good Samaritan"? None of these, but good deeds are a hint, while not performed by me or towards me. Maybe it will help to find more about Barney along these lines | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3965 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you see something relevant? Were you reading something? Watching something? Listening to something? Did you see Barney do something? Hear him do something? Read something about him? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 181 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you see something relevant? Yes ...ish Were you reading something? Watching something? Listening to something? Yes, and talking, too Did you see Barney do something? Yes Hear him do something? Read something about him? No to rest. Getting closer... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3970 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were you talking with Barney? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 182 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you talking with Barney? Eventually, yes -- good progress. How did I end up talking with a perfect stranger and how come did I manage to become the 'icon' of the city? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3973 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Barney start the conversation with you? Did you start the conversation? Did he mistake you for someone else? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 183 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Barney start the conversation with you? Did you start the conversation? This one. No to rest Did he mistake you for someone else? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3975 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you mistake him for someone else? Did you notice something unusual about Barney? Something he was wearing? Carrying? Doing? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 184 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you mistake him for someone else? Did you notice something unusual about Barney? This, for svv of "unusual" Something he was wearing? Mainly this Carrying? Doing? This was not unusual, but he was looking interesting to me, from a certain point of view | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3987 Registered: 4-2010 |
Point of view - as in, side view? From behind? Front view? Was the something worn on the torso? Legs? Feet? Arms? Hands? Head? Neck? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 185 Registered: 9-2009 |
Point of view - as in, side view? From behind? Front view? FA. I saw him on the street, but I didn't mean a physical point of view Was the something worn on the torso? Legs? Feet? Arms? Hands? Head? This, but beware FA. This is one of the minor reasons that I approached him. Not to mislead you, his whole appeareance looked interesting from a certain point of view, but I was subjective Neck? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3993 Registered: 4-2010 |
Point of view - from a distance? From close up? Did he look female? Excessively short? Tall? Excessively slim? Fat? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3994 Registered: 4-2010 |
Point of view - from a distance? From close up? Did he look female? Excessively short? Tall? Excessively slim? Fat? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 186 Registered: 9-2009 |
Point of view - from a distance? From close up? Did he look female? Excessively short? Tall? Excessively slim? Fat? FA to all. His appearence as a whole made me think he was appropriate for something I wanted to do. He was uncooperative, though, at least in the beginning | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4044 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he look strong? Smart? Did you want to do something right at that time? A short time later? A long time later? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 187 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he look strong? No and irr Smart? No and irr Did you want to do something right at that time? Something, not necessarily right, nor wrong A short time later? A long time later? No to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4055 Registered: 4-2010 |
Something right at that time...I meant, did you want to do something at that very instant? (My bad on the choice of words) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 188 Registered: 9-2009 |
Something right at that time...I meant, did you want to do something at that very instant? Ah, I see what you mean now. Then the answer is yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4065 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the something you wanted to do a physical task? Mental? Did it involve paying for something? Selling something? Did it require more than one person? Did you need to move something? Lift something? Is transportation relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 189 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the something you wanted to do a physical task? This Mental? Did it involve paying for something? Selling something? Did it require more than one person? No ...ish, maybe FA Did you need to move something? Lift something? Is transportation relevant? No to the rest | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 190 Registered: 9-2009 |
Since we have reached post #50, let me post a short recap: I was in a city -- where I do not live -- and at some point I wanted to do something -- that being the reason for which I approached a complete stranger who -- I thought -- was in some way fit for what I wanted to do. This stranger -- known to us as Barney, was at first uncooperative and his lack of cooperation eventually led me to become 'the icon of the city' for some 40-100 people. The only other person slightly involved is Cassandra, but to let her out of this puzzle suffices to say that she is only relevant because she determined me to try to do what I did. Hope that helps | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4111 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you want to play a game? Do something completely random? Did you think Barney was fit for this action because of his stature? What he was wearing? Was he wearing a uniform of some sort? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 191 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you want to play a game? No Do something completely random? No Did you think Barney was fit for this action because of his stature? No What he was wearing? Yope Was he wearing a uniform of some sort? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4123 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Barney carrying something relevant? Holding something? Was he "uncooperative" in that he refused to help you with the task? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 192 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Barney carrying something relevant? Holding something? Was he "uncooperative" in that he refused to help you with the task? Yes, but beware FA. No to the rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4229 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Barney doing something relevant? Did you ask him to help you with the task? Did he refuse? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 194 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Barney doing something relevant? Noish to Nope Did you ask him to help you with the task? Yes, but again beware FA Did he refuse? Yes, initially | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4239 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Barney later agree to help you with the task? Does the task require any other object? More than one? Is it related to exercise? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 196 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Barney later agree to help you with the task? Yes Does the task require any other object? Yes More than one? No Is it related to exercise? Not at all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4242 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the object a vehicle? Is it electronic? Larger than a bookcase? Toaster oven? Is it by chance either of those objects? Is shopping relevant? Travel? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 197 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the object a vehicle? No Is it electronic? Yes in my case. Could be non-electronic as well Larger than a bookcase? Toaster oven? Is it by chance either of those objects? Is shopping relevant? Travel? Yesish. No to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4255 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is communication relevant? Is the object typically handheld? Is it an electric toothbrush? Is hygiene relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 199 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is communication relevant? Is the object typically handheld? Yes. No to rest Is it an electric toothbrush? Is hygiene relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4266 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the object used to contain something? Is it a book? A suitcase? Keys? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 200 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the object used to contain something? Is it a book? A suitcase? Keys? None of those, I'm afraid | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4297 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the object food-related? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 201 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the object food-related? Not at all. It is an object that most people take while in vacations :=) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4322 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the object an article of clothing? Is it beach-related? A suitcase? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 203 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the object an article of clothing? Is it beach-related? A suitcase? No to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4343 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a passport? Another form of ID? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 208 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a passport? Another form of ID? No to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4357 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it an umbrella? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 211 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it an umbrella? No. Remember is was electronic -- though non-electronic versions exist | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4365 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a PDA? Do you write on it? Is it a tool? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 212 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a PDA? No Do you write on it? No Is it a tool? DOYD of 'tool'. Some consider it like this | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4367 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it used for cutting something? Writing? Is it a pen? Pencil? Is it a toothbrush? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 213 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it used for cutting something? Writing? Is it a pen? Pencil? Is it a toothbrush? No to all, I'm afraid | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4401 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a book? An eBook? Could you please recap what we know about the object? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 216 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a book? An eBook? No to bothCould you please recap what we know about the object? Sure. We are talking about a handheld device that can be either electronic -- or have electronic components, for that matter -- or purely mechanical, though mine was electronic -- irrelevant anyway. It is an object that most people take while in vacation. I own about three of them and I am sure you own at least one. That object I used to accomplish a specific task that I needed Barney for. He was at first uncooperative, then he cooperated but incidentally in the process also made me 'the icon of the city' | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4406 Registered: 4-2010 |
A razor? Is it used to tell time? A watch? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2353 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is it a GPS device? Something like a TomTom/Garmin? Were you trying to navigate within the city? Outside of the city? On your way to the city? On your way from the city? Were you asking Barney for help finding a specific point in "the city"? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 217 Registered: 9-2009 |
A razor? Is it used to tell time? A watch? No to all Is it a GPS device? Something like a TomTom/Garmin? Were you trying to navigate within the city? Outside of the city? On your way to the city? On your way from the city? Were you asking Barney for help finding a specific point in "the city"? Nothing of these. I know the city pretty well. But I am sure we almost touched everything except ''it'' | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4426 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does it include a map? Is it a map? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4427 Registered: 4-2010 |
A camera? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 219 Registered: 9-2009 |
A camera? YES. Now we have practically all the pieces -- just put them together | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4432 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you want Barney to take a picture of you? At a certain monument? Or other location of note? Did he take the picture? Did he keep the picture? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 220 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you want Barney to take a picture of you? No, actually was the other way around At a certain monument? Or other location of note? Did he take the picture? Did he keep the picture? No to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4484 Registered: 4-2010 |
So you wanted to take a picture of Barney? Did you take the picture? Did he pose for the picture? Did he have a silly pose? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 221 Registered: 9-2009 |
So you wanted to take a picture of Barney? YesDid you take the picture? Eventually, yes Did he pose for the picture? Yesish Did he have a silly pose? Not really I think we have enough for me to declare a ***** SPOILER ***** Some years ago I made a business trip to Rome. I do not like taking pictures, but my wife (Cassandra in our puzzle), who is an avid photographer, "ordered" me to take a camera and make pictures in the city, but not to monuments or such, but to 'real people'. Having a day off, I wandered through the city hoping to find anything interesting to photograph. At last I found a beggar (our Barney) who looked interesting to me, sitting on a street in the touristic center. I asked him for permission to take a picture of him, not being used to people making photos without asking for permission. He at first refused -- so I started arguing about it. We gradually become acquainted, sitting next to one another, telling stories, drinking from his nice bottle of "Castelli" wine. After about an hour, looking around, I realised that we were photographed by a bunch of 40 to 100 tourists, freshly unloaded from two buses. They probably considered very "authentic" what we were doing there and we probably looked funny too - Barney in ragged clothes, wearing a scarf with the Italian flag, I with my business suit not properly arranged. I excused myself and left, not until having taken one photo of Barney, which he finally agreed to, probably being grateful for me spending an hour with him and telling stories. The wine was also over. Thanks to all for participating and especially Balin for sticking with it to the end. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4493 Registered: 4-2010 |
Great puzzle, and great story! |
