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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Time to reconnect (groan) with another one of these....

The one with black sails, a notable cherry cutter, and a gunman's shrub.
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Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The ship with black sails was the Black Pearl.

And the only famous cherry cutter that comes to mind was George Washington.

I will think some more about the gunman's shrub: I doubt if it is Gunnera but I will ask anyway.

Any of these otrt?
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Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010 - 6:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, another idea for the gunman's shrub could be a Ruby?
Balin (Balin)
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The ship with black sails was the Black Pearl. Wrong ship with black sails

And the only famous cherry cutter that comes to mind was George Washington. Yes, but what about the cutter?

I will think some more about the gunman's shrub: I doubt if it is Gunnera but I will ask anyway. It is not.

Any of these otrt? See above
Balin (Balin)
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Oh, another idea for the gunman's shrub could be a Ruby? Nope
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Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010 - 7:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Aaah, yes, very neat. Too good to $poil, so I'll sit this one out.
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Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010 - 7:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Aaah, yes, very neat. Too good to $poil, so I'll sit this one out. You got it already!?! Well, I'm sure you have, but please e-mail to confirm anyway.
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Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010 - 7:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

mailed
Balin (Balin)
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Nailed it, and suggestion taken. Nice job!
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Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010 - 11:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I might have most of this, so to confirm or deny my suspicions: would the composer with the middle name Ilyich also count? (If you Google Ilyich, he's the second result.)
Balin (Balin)
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I might have most of this, so to confirm or deny my suspicions: would the composer with the middle name Ilyich also count? (If you Google Ilyich, he's the second result.) No, but I could be wrong...please e-mail possible answer.
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Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 3:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whirligig's emailed guess was incorrect, but combining his guess for the second connection with Woodworm's, we have determined that "a notable cherry cutter" is "George Washington's axe."
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Is the shrub a particular species? genus? one specific organism? one specific group of organisms? a subspecies? a group within a species sharing traits (e. g. Great Danes)? a family? order? class? phylum? kingdom? domain?

Is the shrub even a shrub? Is it a metaphor? Or a slang term for someone else?
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Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the shrub a particular species? genus? one specific organism? one specific group of organisms? This a subspecies? a group within a species sharing traits (e. g. Great Danes)? a family? Subfamily order? class? phylum? kingdom? domain?

Is the shrub even a shrub? Yesish to Yope Is it a metaphor? Yope Or a slang term for someone else? No
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 2:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

RECAP:

"The one with black sails, a notable cherry cutter, and a gunman's shrub."

Part 1 has been determined to be a ship with black sails, but not the Black Pearl.

Part 2 has been deduced: "George Washington's axe."

For Part 3, we have determined that the "shrub" refers to a subfamily of shrubs.

HINT: What other famous ship had black sails?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the boat fictional? The Jolly Roger?
Balin (Balin)
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Is the boat fictional? Yes The Jolly Roger? No
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Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 10:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Working on a theory here so pardon if this seems a strange question.

Could the Irish rock band Thin Lizzy be another clue in this puzzle?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 1:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Working on a theory here so pardon if this seems a strange question.

Could the Irish rock band Thin Lizzy be another clue in this puzzle? Not a strange question at all...it could indeed.

I think you've got it - feel free to $poyle.
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Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 1:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok then the connection is Theseus' Paradox. Although I have to admit that I'm struggling with the gunman's shrub and don't want to look it up.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 1:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok then the connection is Theseus' Paradox. Yep - spoiler below. Although I have to admit that I'm struggling with the gunman's shrub and don't want to look it up. Worry not - I will explain in the

**********SPOILER**********

The clues translate to "Ship of Theseus," "George Washington's axe," and "Trigger's broom," which are all names for the same paradox (hence the title "You've Lost Me," which someone might tell you while you try to explain the paradox to them).

The "Ship of Theseus" example, as stated by Plutarch, states that as the ship of Theseus aged, the old planks were removed and gradually replaced with new ones. The question then becomes, when all the planks have been replaced with new ones, is it still the same ship? (Thomas Hobbes later elaborated on the paradox, wondering that if the old planks were used to re-build the ship, which - if either - ship would be the original Ship of Theseus?)

The same goes for George Washington's axe ("which has three times had its handle replaced and twice had its head replaced") and Trigger's broom (from the show Only Fools and Horses, which is on my "need-to-watch" list - is it the same broom even if it's had 17 new heads and 14 new handles).

Hope I didn't confuse any of you too much there. As for the connections...

-"the one with black sails" -> a ship with black sails -> Ship of Theseus
-"a notable cherry cutter" -> George Washington -> the "cutter" was his axe -> George Washington's axe
-"a gunman's shrub" -> gunman = "trigger" -> there is a type of shrub called a "broom" -> Trigger's broom

As Peter pointed out, the band Thin Lizzy also works as a clue - once all the original band members have been replaced with new ones, the question is raised as to whether it is the same band or not.

Nice job Peter, nice job Woodworm, nice job all.
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Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

@ Peter: can you connect this little lot to the dirty washing of one of the greatest singers Ireland has ever produced (Phil Lynott notwithstanding)? :-)

@ Balin: this is a classic puzzle of the RBQ type. A very British institution, like the cryptic crossword.

I've no idea if this is available in America, but the online radio broadcasts are here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007qxpr

And on similar lines:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/onlyconnect/quiz/
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Listening to RBQ - enjoying it quite a lot. Not ashamed to admit that I sang along to the three songs on the fourth question ("The Elements," "Don't Stand So Close to Me," "Rock Around the Clock").

Will check out the second link as soon as RBQ is done.

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