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Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 11:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We saw one, and thought that alone was a disaster. But they were unconcerned, and even told us there was another one just like it.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One: an object? A person? A tangible object? We = HAM? HAF? HA-Mixed? Are you part of "we"? "They" = HAM? HAF? HA-Mixed? Are "they" older than "we"? Younger? About the same? Mixed?
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One: an object? Thisish. A person? A tangible object? Yope. We = HAM? HAF? HA-Mixed? This. Are you part of "we"? Yes. "They" = HAM? HAF? HA-Mixed? HA-irr. Are "they" older than "we"? Younger? About the same? Mixed? Irr.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 3:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If you're part of "we"...skydiving relevant?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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If you're part of "we"...skydiving relevant? Indeed it is.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Object: a parachute? A plane? A jump (i.e. someone jumping, not a ski jump)?
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Object: a parachute? A plane? A jump (i.e. someone jumping, not a ski jump)? No to all, but a plane is relevant.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A take-off? A landing?
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A take-off? A landing? Not relevant.
Balin (Balin)
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Is the plane in the air? Performing a stunt? Carrying passengers? Carrying skydivers?
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Is the plane in the air? Performing a stunt? Carrying passengers? Carrying skydivers? No to all.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Should we be focusing on a specific part of the plane? If so, propeller? Fuselage? Fuel source? Wings? Tail? Or is this about the plane as a whole?
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Should we be focusing on a specific part of the plane? Yes. If so, propeller? Fuselage? Fuel source? Wings? Tail? Neither. Or is this about the plane as a whole? No.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How about...the engine? Door? Windows? Cockpit?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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How about...the engine? This is the one. Door? Windows? Cockpit?
Balin (Balin)
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Is the appearance of the engine relevant? Did it look damaged? Inoperable? But it really wasn't?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Is the appearance of the engine relevant? Yes. Did it look damaged? Inoperable? Yes to both. But it really wasn't? Correct.
Balin (Balin)
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So...

"We saw one," (the engine)
"and thought that alone was a disaster." (it looked crappy/damaged)
"But they were unconcerned, and even told us there was another one just like it." (the engine was supposed to look this way, and they had another engine that was the same)

This right?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"We saw one," (the engine) No. We looked at the engine, and saw one.
"and thought that alone was a disaster." (it looked crappy/damaged) It looked damaged.
"But they were unconcerned, and even told us there was another one just like it." (the engine was supposed to look this way Yes., and they had another engine that was the same Incorrect.)
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 9:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it one part of the engine? Or was there actually more than one engine, but it looked like one?
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it one part of the engine? Yes, for svv of "part". Or was there actually more than one engine, but it looked like one? No.
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Was there something you saw on the engine, something that can vaguely be described as part of it, that made you believe the engine was damaged?
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Was there something you saw on the engine, something that can vaguely be described as part of it, that made you believe the engine was damaged? Yes - we looked at a part of the engine, saw "something", and thought it was damaged. But we were told it wasn't a problem, and that there was another "something" as well.
Balin (Balin)
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Was the other "something" another part of the engine? That looked damaged? But wasn't?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 8:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the other "something" another part of the engine? That looked damaged? But wasn't? The other "something" was on the same part of the engine.
Balin (Balin)
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Did the other "something" appear damaged? Was the other "something" actually damaged? Or did it prove that there was no damage?
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Did the other "something" appear damaged? The other part appeared damaged. The "something" is the damage itself, which is youpishly a tangible object. Was the other "something" actually damaged? No. Or did it prove that there was no damage? Sort of, if we'd seen both the somethings, we probably would've concluded that everything was okay.
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Type of engine relevant? Is this the engine to your jump plane?
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Type of engine relevant? Is this the engine to your jump plane? Yes to both.
Balin (Balin)
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So is it a turboprop engine? Other type of turbo engine?

(My knowledge of airplane engines is minimal at best, nonexistent at worst.)
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So is it a turboprop engine? This. Other type of turbo engine?
Seeing the "something" in an unexpected place would cause concern for any engine. we were looking at the inside of the compressor stages of the turbine.
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Was some debris caught in the engine? Or did it just look that way?
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Was some debris caught in the engine? No. Or did it just look that way? No.
Balin (Balin)
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Did it appear that the turbine was bent? That something was bent? Or broken off?
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Did it appear that the turbine was bent? That something was bent? Or broken off? Neither, but OTRT.
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Did the turbine appear rusted?
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Did the turbine appear rusted? No. "Bent" was closer.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Twisted? Immobile?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Twisted? Immobile? No.
Balin (Balin)
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Bent...how about "folded"? "Doubled over"?
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Bent...how about "folded"? "Doubled over"? No, "bent" wasn't that close.
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Twisted?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Twisted? No. Not exactly deformed, just...
Balin (Balin)
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Broken? Cracked?
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Broken? Cracked? This.
***SPOILER***
One of our less experienced pilots heard a strange sound on takeoff, and thought something was wrong with the plane. while looking around the engine, he noticed a millimeter-wide crack in the housing for the compressor stage (the intake part of the turbine). Now, a cracked turbine would be a disaster, and he worriedly called the manufacturer to tell them about it.
The manufacturer however was unconcerned, and wondered if he didn't see the other crack as well - turns out this part of the engine is made from two half tubes clamped together, with a crack in between. The other crack was indeed visible, but only from an awkward angle.

Another time, another pilot experienced the same noise on takeoff - and to make it stop he hit one of the cabin air vents with his fist. Turns out it comes loose now and then and starts to rattle, and is no cause for real concern at all.

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