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A prostitute named Bunny went out one night. She managed to get quite a few tricks, before being arrested by Officer Hunter. The next day she made bail, purchased an expensive dress and went to an upscale club. Officer Hunter was at the same club too. Due in part to Hunter's presence, Bunny didn't get many tricks. At the end of the evening, Officer Hunter hugged Bunny and she went home quite wealthy. How did she do it?
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Card playing relevant?
Bunny: H/A/F (Human/Adult/Female)?
Officer Hunter: H/A/M (Human/Adult/Male)?
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All Bunny's and she's the same person?
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Card playing relevant? Yes
Bunny: H/A/F (Human/Adult/Female)? Yes
Officer Hunter: H/A/M (Human/Adult/Male)? Yes
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All Bunny's and she's the same person? I don't understand that.
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re: the previous question, every time "she" is mentioned in the original post, is it referring to Bunny?

(sometime people sneak in pronouns that don't refer to who we assume they might)
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re: the previous question, every time "she" is mentioned in the original post, is it referring to Bunny? Yes
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Was Bunny an undercover cop? Did Hunter recognize Bunny the second night? Did he hire her the second night?
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Was Bunny an undercover cop? No Did Hunter recognize Bunny the second night? Yes Did he hire her the second night? No
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Did she go home wealthy because of her prostitution? Because she stole Hunter's wallet when he hugged her? Did he hug her in friendship? As a romantic gesture? In an attempt to tackle her/otherwise prevent her from moving?
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When you said 'At the end of the evening, Officer Hunter hugged Bunny and she went home quite wealthy', was she wealthy monetary wise? Was she wealthy before she arrived? Got wealthy during the evening? After she hugged Hunter? Did she place a bet?
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Did she go home wealthy because of her prostitution? No Because she stole Hunter's wallet when he hugged her? No Did he hug her in friendship? No not exactly As a romantic gesture? No In an attempt to tackle her/otherwise prevent her from moving? No
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When you said 'At the end of the evening, Officer Hunter hugged Bunny and she went home quite wealthy', was she wealthy monetary wise? Yes Was she wealthy before she arrived? No Got wealthy during the evening? Yes After she hugged Hunter? No Did she place a bet? No
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Did she get wealthy before Hunter hugged her? Is her dress relevant? Did she sell the dress?
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Did she sell the dress to Hunter?
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Did she get wealthy before Hunter hugged her? Yes Is her dress relevant? Yope, indirectly Did she sell the dress? No
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Did she sell the dress to Hunter? No
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Is anything about the club relevant? The patrons? Activities at the club?
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Is anything about the club relevant? Yes The patrons? Yope Activities at the club? Yes
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Was there drinking at the club? Dancing? Did Bunny get wealthy through illegal means? Through theft?
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Was there drinking at the club? Irr Dancing? Irr Did Bunny get wealthy through illegal means? No Through theft? No
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(why aren't we asking more about card playing being relevant)

tricks=sexual activities? i play spades, and when you win a hand, you won a 'trick' -- this closer to the trick in the puzzle?

club=a place? or like a suit of cards, the clubs?

is the type of card game relevant? poker? did this story really happen? could this story really happen?
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(why aren't we asking more about card playing being relevant) Good Question

tricks=sexual activities? Yes

i play spades, and when you win a hand, you won a 'trick' -- this closer to the trick in the puzzle? Also Yes

club=a place? Yes or like a suit of cards, the clubs? No, not in this case

is the type of card game relevant? Yes! poker? No did this story really happen? No could this story really happen? Yes
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was it spades? uno? bridge? keep going?

so does each trick mean the same thing in the original puzzle?

you said yes that trick meant sexual activity and yes that trick meant a hand of cards. are you saying it's both?

had a guy once show me a magic trick by saying stuff like 'then the guy went down to the 425 club (showed a 4, 2, and 5 of clubs) and asked the bartender if he had change for a 10 (showed a 10) and bartender said sure, here's two fives (showed 2 5's) etc… is this story along these lines?

is gambling relevant? is the name of the club relevant?
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was it spades? No
uno? No
bridge? No
keep going? Yes

so does each trick mean the same thing in the original puzzle? No

you said yes that trick meant sexual activity and yes that trick meant a hand of cards. are you saying it's both? Yes

had a guy once show me a magic trick by saying stuff like 'then the guy went down to the 425 club (showed a 4, 2, and 5 of clubs) and asked the bartender if he had change for a 10 (showed a 10) and bartender said sure, here's two fives (showed 2 5's) etc… is this story along these lines? No, but neat magic trick

is gambling relevant? No
is the name of the club relevant? No
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first trick=sexual? card game related?
second trick=sexual? card game related?

club=strip club?

was bunny playing cards against officer hunter? more than just the 2 of them?

was the hug that hunter and bunny share a hug out of friendship? was hunter signaling to someone something with the hug?

so… bunny went out the first night as a prostitute, did sexual favors? with more than one client? arrested for prostitution?

after making bail, she bought an expensive dress with prostitution money? did she know hunter was going to be there?

Baccarat?

I'm looking at a huge list of card games now and am tempted to paste them here…
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first trick=sexual? Yes card game related? No
second trick=sexual? No card game related? Yes

club=strip club? No

was bunny playing cards against officer hunter? Yes more than just the 2 of them? Yes

was the hug that hunter and bunny share a hug out of friendship? No, not really was hunter signaling to someone something with the hug? No

so… bunny went out the first night as a prostitute, did sexual favors? Yes with more than one client? Yes, Irr arrested for prostitution? Yes

after making bail, she bought an expensive dress with prostitution money? Yes did she know hunter was going to be there? No, Irr

Baccarat? No

I'm looking at a huge list of card games now and am tempted to paste them here… Yikes, According to Hoyle, it should be on the short list.
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alright, lets start here:
5 Card Draw
500 Rummy
Blackjack
Bridge
Canasta
Crazy Eights
Cribbage
Euchre
Gin Rummy
Go Fish
Hearts
Memory Match
Mille Bornes
Old Maid
Omaha Hold’em
Pinochle
Pitch
Poker
Skat
Solitaire
Spades
Spite & Malice
Texas Hold’em
Tarot
War

let me rephrase one question i asked previously: did she know hunter was going to be at the card game? since gambling is not involved, was this a friendly game (no money exchanging hands)?

If she didn't get arrested the night before, would she have played cards the following day?

is it likely that bunny was smiling while hugging hunter? …likely hunter was smiling while hugging bunny?

did she go home with hunter post-hug?
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alright, lets start here:
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Hearts This One
...

let me rephrase one question i asked previously: did she know hunter was going to be at the card game? No, but Irr since gambling is not involved, was this a friendly game (no money exchanging hands)? Not exactly, but very legal

If she didn't get arrested the night before, would she have played cards the following day? Irr, the events are not related in that way.

is it likely that bunny was smiling while hugging hunter? Yes, she was! …likely hunter was smiling while hugging bunny? Yes, he was.

did she go home with hunter post-hug? No
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so we're talking about an upscale club where a person can go in and play hearts? more than 1 game going at a time?

did she go home wealthy at the end of the story because she won at hearts?

are the game mechanics of Hearts relevant to why she shared a hug with hunter?

would this story have ended the same way she hadn't been arrested the night before?

does someone mention a play on words about the tricks she performed the night before and the tricks involved in the game?
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so we're talking about an upscale club where a person can go in and play hearts? more than 1 game going at a time? Yes, at first

did she go home wealthy at the end of the story because she won at hearts? Yes

are the game mechanics of Hearts relevant to why she shared a hug with hunter? No

would this story have ended the same way she hadn't been arrested the night before? Yes, most likely

does someone mention a play on words about the tricks she performed the night before and the tricks involved in the game? No
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would this story have ended the same way she hadn't been arrested the night before?

The arrest is simply to establish that Hunter knows that Bunny is a prostitute and that he will enforce the law.
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didnt answer this part: so we're talking about an upscale club where a person can go in and play hearts?

they playing in a hearts tournament?

if the story would have ended the same way if she hadn't been arrested, does the solution involve a connection between the previous night's arrest and the 'win' at the hearts game?

(struggling with the fact that the story would have ended the
same if she hadn't been arrested the night before, seems like the first half of the story is irrelevant)


does hunter know something about bunny from the previous night's arrest that helps him 'win' at the hearts game? a tell?

were hunter and bunny partners in the hearts game?

the fact that bunny didn't get any tricks lead to her winning? (going nil in hearts?)
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(i didn't see your post about 'the arrest is simply…' before i posted my questions)
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didnt answer this part: so we're talking about an upscale club where a person can go in and play hearts? Yes, sorry I ran the two questions together.

they playing in a hearts tournament? Yes

if the story would have ended the same way if she hadn't been arrested, does the solution involve a connection between the previous night's arrest and the 'win' at the hearts game? No, See above post.

(struggling with the fact that the story would have ended the
same if she hadn't been arrested the night before, seems like the first half of the story is irrelevant) I realize that the two could have been more tightly joined. It's a Rookie mistake. However, see above post.

does hunter know something about bunny from the previous night's arrest that helps him 'win' at the hearts game? a tell? No, he didn't win

were hunter and bunny partners in the hearts game? No

the fact that bunny didn't get any tricks lead to her winning? (going nil in hearts?) No, the word is MANY not ANY, but close.
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Yeah I added that post when I saw how the two halves of the story were loosely joined and too misleading. This is a learning experience for me. I appreciate the feedback.

I will post an alternative writing of the story with the spoiler that would have worked better. But for now it is too late. However, I still believe the puzzle is solvable.
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In hearts if you don't take many tricks, that's good, because that means you don't take many points, and the goal is to have the fewest points at the end of the game. Did Bunny win the tournament? Because she took the fewest number of points?

Did Hunter lose the tournament? Come in second place?
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So it is established that Bunny went home quite wealthy because she won at the hearts tournament, which was very legal. What remains to be solved? Why Hunter hugged her? How did she manage to win (other than sheer luck, I suppose)? Anything else?
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Did she shoot the moon?
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In hearts if you don't take many tricks, that's good, because that means you don't take many points, and the goal is to have the fewest points at the end of the game. Did Bunny win the tournament? Yes Because she took the fewest number of points? Yes

Did Hunter lose the tournament? Yes Come in second place? Yes
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So it is established that Bunny went home quite wealthy because she won at the hearts tournament, which was very legal. What remains to be solved? Why Hunter hugged her? How did she manage to win (other than sheer luck, I suppose)? Anything else?

We need to know why Hunter hugged Bunny, but I think we have that now.
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Did she shoot the moon? No
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************* SPOILER **************

Bunny was "turning tricks" to get enough money to enter a Hearts tournament with a large entry fee and a large prize. She also needed a proper dress to be admitted. By coincidence Officer Hunter was playing in the tournament as well. He was so surprised by the transformation of Bunny and her playing ability that he was "off his game" and came in second. Hunter hugged Bunny as a form of congratulations, for winning the tournament and the prize money.


If I were "rewriting" the puzzle today I would have made it like this.

A prostitute named Bunny went out one night. She managed to get quite a few tricks, before being arrested and booked by Officer Hunter, an almost weekly occurrence. The next day she made bail, purchased an expensive dress and went to an upscale club. Officer Hunter was at the same club too, and surprised to see bunny. Due in part to Hunter's presence, Bunny didn't get many tricks. At the end of the evening, Officer Hunter hugged Bunny and she went home quite wealthy. Explain?

Officer Hunter had become friends with Bunny. In fact he had been teaching Bunny how to play Hearts. He told her that evening about a charity Hearts tournament, with a large cash prize, which he was going to attend. She purchased a proper dress and entered the tournament. Hunter was so surprised by the transformation of the prostitute and her playing ability that he was "off his game" and came in second. When she won, Officer Hunter hugged Bunny because he was happy that she won and that she could get out of prostitution.
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Great puzzle!

I was on the wrong track for a good chunk of the time...never caught on to the double meaning of "tricks".

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