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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 5:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While trying to figure out something about him, I wondered if he'd go to the same extreme as that other guy. But would he be willing to pay the price...?

Can you explain my semi-incoherent rambling?

Him = he #1 = he #2 = HTM
That other guy = HAM
And I really should not be up this late...going to bed now.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 5:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is HIM the son of OTHER GUY?

Is the SOMETHING, physical, logical, psychological, metaphysical, pathological, ideological?

Was the EXTREME, illegal, immoral, sinful, dangerous, anti-social, or involve McDonald's "Food"?

Did THE OTHER guy pay a price for going to the EXTREME?

Are you really up that late, or simply up too early for tomorrow?
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Is HIM the son of OTHER GUY? No

Is the SOMETHING, physical, logical, psychological, metaphysical, pathological, ideological? None of these, really - I'm not sure exactly how it would be described.

Was the EXTREME, illegal, immoral, sinful, dangerous, anti-social, or involve McDonald's "Food"? No to all. However, the first and last guesses are laterally relevant.

Did THE OTHER guy pay a price for going to the EXTREME? Yope

Are you really up that late, or simply up too early for tomorrow? Both
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BLOOPER: "Did THE OTHER guy pay a price for going to the EXTREME?" should be "Yes and Yope".
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Can we call HIM Moses and THE OTHER GUY Francis?
"pay a price" = pay money? A lot of it? Face punishment? Injury? Death?
So Moses was trying to figure out something about himself? (yeah, that was bad grammar by you.) Did Francis try to figure out that thing about himself? Or about Moses?
Did Francis "pay a price" for trying to find out the "something" (about whoever it was) but in a different way than Moses?
Is it relevant whether Moses actually was willing to pay the price?
If Moses was willing to pay the price to find out that thing about himself, would he necessarily do so? Could he potentially be forced to against his will?
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Oh, and what's HTM? Human Transvestite male?
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Can we call HIM Moses and THE OTHER GUY Francis? Sure
"pay a price" = pay money? Yes, but don't focus on this part. A lot of it? Face punishment? Yope Injury? Death?
So Moses was trying to figure out something about himself? No - I - as in Balin - was trying to figure out something about Moses. (yeah, that was bad grammar by you.) Did Francis try to figure out that thing about himself? Or about Moses? No to both
Did Francis "pay a price" Yes/Yope for trying to find out the "something" No - he knew the "something" (about whoever it was) but in a different way than Moses? No
Is it relevant whether Moses actually was willing to pay the price? Not really
If Moses was willing to pay the price to find out that thing about himself, See above would he necessarily do so? I doubt it Could he potentially be forced to against his will? Not likely

Oh, and what's HTM? Human Transvestite male? Human, Teen, Male

This whole set of questions has made me laugh, but I can't say why...it would ruin the puzzle.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the extreme actually considered extreme for the other guy?
Was the other guy Jesus?
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Bible relevant? Transsexuals?
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Oops, sorry. Just got some more thoughts.
If Moses were to go to the same extreme as Francis, would he do so for the same reason? Would he pay the same price?
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Was the extreme actually considered extreme for the other guy? Possibly, but outsiders would more than likely consider it extreme.
Was the other guy Jesus? No

Bible relevant? Transsexuals? Neither

Oops, sorry. Just got some more thoughts.
If Moses were to go to the same extreme as Francis, would he do so for the same reason? Yes, if a certain thing was the same. Would he pay the same price? Possibly
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Would knowing why my first set of questions amused you help solve the puzzle? If so, is it because Moses is in fact Jewish? A rabbi? The Pope? An Anti-Semite? Same questions for Francis? Setting relevant? [LTPF list of continents and centuries]?
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Would knowing why my first set of questions amused you help solve the puzzle? Yes If so, is it because Moses is in fact Jewish? A rabbi? The Pope? An Anti-Semite? Not the middle two, very unlikely the fourth, and I don't know the first. Same questions for Francis? All irrel for Francis. Setting relevant? Yes [LTPF list of continents and centuries]? North America (USA), and the part about Francis happened in the 20th century, but my rambling thoughts came to be about two days ago.
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Is any religion relevant?

Is the SOMETHING you were trying to figure out: about: his character, his thinking, his actions, his attractive sister?

Do you want fries with that?
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Is any religion relevant? No

Is the SOMETHING you were trying to figure out: about: his character, his thinking, his actions, his attractive sister? None of these - I don't even know if he has a sister.

Do you want fries with that? Soitenly - preferably Chick-Fil-A waffle fries or any fries from Five Guys, thank you.
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Wait.... So this problem would work if Francis were the Pope? Can we call him Pope Frankie XIV then?
Does anyone relevantly die in this puzzle? Moses? Francis/Pope Frankie XIV? Is Moses a real person? Francis/Pope Frankie XIV?
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Wait.... So this problem would work if Francis were the Pope? Well, actually no. It was a BLOOPER calling that irrelevant - he's neither a rabbi nor the Pope, but the other two are unknown. Can we call him Pope Frankie XIV then? But we can still do this
Does anyone relevantly die in this puzzle? No Moses? Francis/Pope Frankie XIV? Neither Is Moses a real person? Yes *stifles laughter* Francis/Pope Frankie XIV? Yes
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Is Moses you?
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Is Moses you? Not me, but...
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Is Moses someone else on LTPF? Someone you know in real life? A relative of yours?
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Is Moses someone else on LTPF? YES! Someone you know in real life? No A relative of yours? No
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Is Moses someone who has posted to this puzzle thread already?
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Is Moses someone who has posted to this puzzle thread already? Yes...
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Is it gregoryuconn? Both times you laughed were when he asked questions.
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Is it gregoryuconn? Both times you laughed were when he asked questions. Exactly so!
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Does your connecting Moses to Francis have something to do with Moses's (Gregory's) name? First name? Last name? Username? Occupation? School? Age? Location? None of the above?
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Does your connecting Moses to Francis have something to do with Moses's (Gregory's) name? Yes... First name? Last name? ...more specifically, this. No to rest. Username? Occupation? School? Age? Location? None of the above?
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Wait, how do you know my last name?
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The same way I do or anybody can, it's in your profile. :D
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Oh, so is Pope Frankie XIV:
A person with the surname Koch?
Specifically, Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch?
Some person with that surname who got fed up with people vulgarly (and often intentionally) mispronouncing his last name and killed someone who did so? (I haven't heard of this happening, though I have wanted to at times.)
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And for the record Moses (aka me) is in fact Jewish.
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Oh, so is Pope Frankie XIV:
A person with the surname Koch? Yes
Specifically, Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch? No
Some person with that surname who got fed up with people vulgarly (and often intentionally) mispronouncing his last name Neither vulgarly nor intentionally, but Yes and killed someone who did so? No (I haven't heard of this happening, though I have wanted to at times.) Well, you are right in that I was trying to figure out how to pronounce your last name - "Kotch", "Coke", "Cook", or something else entirely.

And for the record Moses (aka me) is in fact Jewish. And you named him - yourself - Moses...unintentional foreshadowing?
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There is in fact a road in my home city called Koch...I think it's Koch Lane...and my mother pronounces it "Coke". I have no idea if that would be right.
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There are a lot of different ways to pronounce it. Mine is "Kotch". But "Coke", "Cook" and the German "Koch" with the "ch" pronounced as in "Bach" which has its own variations. But you can use your imagination for the vulgar pronunciations, most of which are names of similar-sounding genitalia.
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Anyway, now for my questions:
So Pope Frankie XIV has the surname Koch. Is he someone you know personally? A famous person? Was he in the news? And Pope Frankie XIV went to the extreme in North America in the 20th century. Did he do so in [LTPF list of North American Countries]? [LTPF List of Decades in the 1900s]? Is the fact that he had the surname Koch in any way relevant other than that it is also my (Moses's) surname?
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There are a lot of different ways to pronounce it. Mine is "Kotch". In that case, you might go to the same extreme, but you would not "pay the price" he did. And that's a HINT.

Anyway, now for my questions:
So Pope Frankie XIV has the surname Koch. Yes Is he someone you know personally? No A famous person? No Was he in the news? Only the weird news files. And Pope Frankie XIV went to the extreme in North America in the 20th century. Yes Did he do so in [LTPF list of North American Countries]? United States. To save you from invoking the LTPF list of states, it was in Vermont. [LTPF List of Decades in the 1900s]? 1980s Is the fact that he had the surname Koch in any way relevant other than that it is also my (Moses's) surname? The pronunciation of his last name is relevant, so Yes.
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Did he pronounce his last name "Kotch"? "Coke"? "Cook"? "Koch" (with the ch as in "Bach")? Some other way?
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Did he pronounce his last name "Kotch"? "Coke"? This "Cook"? "Koch" (with the ch as in "Bach")? Some other way?
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Is he possibly the Koch that Koch Lane is named for in San Jose? (If he's famous enough, I wouldn't doubt it. I've been trying to figure out who Koch Lane is named for...If it's not him, I'll just decide it's named after gregoryuconn and say it Kotch Lane just to be rebellious. :P)
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Is he possibly the Koch that Koch Lane is named for in San Jose? No
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Did he decide to use Coke (either Coca-Cola or cocaine?) to live up to his name? Coca-cola relevant at all? Cocaine? Did he sue Coca-Cola for name infringement?
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Did he decide to use Coke (either Coca-Cola or cocaine?) to live up to his name? Yope Coca-cola relevant at all? Yes Cocaine? No Did he sue Coca-Cola for name infringement? Other way round...
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Coca-cola sued him for name infringement? Did he try to change the spelling of his last name to "Coke"? "Coca-cola"? Did he claim he was the Coke that Coke was named for?
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Coca-cola sued him for name infringement? Yessiree Did he try to change the spelling of his last name to "Coke"? This, and a little bit more. "Coca-cola"? Did he claim he was the Coke that Coke was named for? No, but this puzzle has now reached the point of

**********SPOILER**********

After receiving a confirmation email about the potential spoiler on one of Gregoryuconn's puzzles ("Beer for two"), I started trying to figure out how to pronounce his last name (Koch) - was it "Kotch", "Coke", "Cook", or something else? That reminded me of...

...the story of one Frederick Koch ("Coke"), who, tired of having his last name mispronounced, legally changed his name to "Frederick Coke-Is-It". Coca-Cola filed an appeal to stop the name change, claiming trademark infringement, but they settled out of court. The details of the settlement are unknown, except that Mr. Koch - er, Mr. Coke-is-it - got to keep his new name.

So the puzzle statement could be reworded as follows:

While trying to figure out something about him, (how to pronounce Gregoryuconn's last name) I wondered if he'd go to the same extreme (changing his name) as that other guy. (Mr. Coke-Is-It) But would he be willing to pay the price (having a lawsuit filed against him) ...?

Nice work, everyone, especially Gregoryuconn - the subject of this puzzle - for working through it and taking it down. And now I know - it's "Kotch".
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Oh, I think I heard that story at some point. Pretty amusing. I once called every Greg(ory) Koch I could find online (including a rock guitarist, a beer brewer, and a relationship advice specialist) who I found on google to complain that they were using my name in vain.
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...but were they all pronounced the same?
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No, guitarist is Kotch, I'm not sure what beer guy is, and relationship advice guy is "Cook".

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