| Author | Message | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2273 Registered: 3-2006 |
One block southeast, one block east. Stay where you are. One block west. I do hope nobody is too offended. :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7628 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are these directions? Lines? Block = distance on city streets? Physical blocks? Blocks as in football (like a blocked punt)? Is this puzzle non-PC? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1094 Registered: 9-2010 |
This isn't a blonde/racist/other sort of non-PC joke, is it? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2274 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are these directions? they are Lines? no Block = distance on city streets? no Physical blocks? no-ish Blocks as in football (like a blocked punt)? not like this: I couldn't set an American Football puzzle if my life depended on it :-) Is this puzzle non-PC? No, it is politically correct and suitable for all the family | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 850 Registered: 9-2009 |
Eastern bloc relevant? Western bloc? Both? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2275 Registered: 3-2006 |
This isn't a blonde/racist/other sort of non-PC joke, is it? nope, not in the slightest | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2276 Registered: 3-2006 |
Eastern bloc relevant? Western bloc? Both? neither, I'm afraid | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 851 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is there a game relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2278 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is there a game relevant? not really | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7640 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are people travelling in these directions? Are these directions actually in a relevant location? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2280 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are people travelling in these directions? no Are these directions actually in a relevant location? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7647 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is this a map of some sort? Instructions? Movements of geese, or pigeons, or some other annoying bird? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2281 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is this a map of some sort? not really, no Instructions? yes, certainly Movements of geese, or pigeons, or some other annoying bird? ingenious, but no. I have spent several thousand pounds on trying to clear up a pigeon infestation in my house. The very mention of the word makes my skin crawl :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7651 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they driving directions? A trail or path of some sort? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2283 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are they driving directions? no A trail or path of some sort? er, for svv, or vvvvv, of 'trail' or 'path' | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7652 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is this a massive game of Simon Says or Follow the Leader? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2285 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is this a massive game of Simon Says or Follow the Leader? heheh, no, not really | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7656 Registered: 4-2010 |
Block: something shaped like a block? Or a square? Something tangible? Physical? An object? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2287 Registered: 3-2006 |
Block: something shaped like a block? Or a square? Something tangible? Physical? An object? yes to all of those, actually ... good QQ | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7658 Registered: 4-2010 |
Scrabble tiles? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2288 Registered: 3-2006 |
Scrabble tiles? You know me too well! But no. Not this time :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7661 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they actual blocks? Bricks? Are they made of wood? Cardboard? Those children's bricks? Is this a combination of some sort? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2292 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are they actual blocks? not really: they have another name Bricks? nopey Are they made of wood? no Cardboard? no Those children's bricks? no Is this a combination of some sort? not wanting to mislead, but yesish ... that's one way of looking at it | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3105 Registered: 1-2001 |
Plastic blocks? Legos? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2293 Registered: 3-2006 |
Plastic blocks? yes but ... Legos? ... not this | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7668 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they dice? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2294 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are they dice? not dice, no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7669 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the blocks used to build things? Used by children? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2295 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the blocks used to build things? Used by children? no to both of those | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7671 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the blocks together? Separate? Do they link together? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2296 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the blocks together? Separate? Do they link together? all of these are hard to answer. They are close, and related to each other, but separate ... not conjoined. Hopefully, when you solve the puzzle (in about 15 minutes) you'll think that's a fair answer ;-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7672 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they numbered? Lettered? Alphabetical? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2297 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are they numbered? no Lettered? yes Alphabetical? in that they have letters on them, yes ... now we're motoring | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7674 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they have words on them? Just letters? Are they cubic in shape? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2298 Registered: 3-2006 |
Do they have words on them? no Just letters? yes Are they cubic in shape? more or less, yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7676 Registered: 4-2010 |
Man, I should be getting this...but I'm missing something obvious, aren't I? Are the blocks about the size of a tissue box? Larger? Smaller? Are they stacked in towers? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2299 Registered: 3-2006 |
Man, I should be getting this...but I'm missing something obvious, aren't I? er ... the LTPF does this to people :-) Are the blocks about the size of a tissue box? hehe, no, a bizarre idea Larger? Smaller? this: considerably smaller Are they stacked in towers? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7677 Registered: 4-2010 |
Boggle cubes? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2300 Registered: 3-2006 |
Boggle cubes? hehe, no. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7680 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the cubes used to spell words? Are they arranged in a large square? Number of cubes relevant? If so, [LTPF list of integers]? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2301 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the cubes used to spell words? yes, I'd say so Are they arranged in a large square? no Number of cubes relevant? to a degree If so, [LTPF list of integers]? four are directly relevant; a further 84 "cubes" (or svv thereof .. some more cubic than others) might provide the context | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7681 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the specific letters on the cubes relevant? If so, are they vowels? Consonants? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2302 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the specific letters on the cubes relevant? on the four cubes? yes, most definitely If so, are they vowels? yope Consonants? yope ... but of course I'm not going to tell you what the letters are :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7682 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the four cubes arranged in a square? Is Tetris relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2303 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the four cubes arranged in a square? Is Tetris relevant? no to both of these | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7690 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are there more than one set of these cubes? Or just one? In a relevant location? Could these be found in most homes? I am going to kick myself for not getting this, aren't I? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2304 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are there more than one set of these cubes? yes, they're everywhere Or just one? In a relevant location? sure: more than one relevant location Could these be found in most homes? yes: they're not usually perfect cubes, but approximately so, and they're made of plastic I am going to kick myself for not getting this, aren't I? I would say so, yes :-) | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2305 Registered: 3-2006 |
Mini-blooper: I said 'no' to Balin's question about children. In fact, children can use these objects. I just meant that they are not toys. Sorry! | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 860 Registered: 9-2009 |
I don't remember seeing a set like the one described, so I will ask some more questions, hoping to hit something Is it relevant that they are 88? Are the four relevant ones different in shape than the other 84? Are the letters from the Latin alphabet? They are not used in a game or as toys, correct? And also, they are commonly found in homes, right? Are they bought together as a set? Are they used in kitchen? For a hobby? As buttons? Are they about the same size of a dice? Do they have magnets attached? When you said 'yes' to 'instructions' above, does that mean that you use them to form instructions, or that the set come with instructions for their use? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2306 Registered: 3-2006 |
I don't remember seeing a set like the one described, so I will ask some more questions, hoping to hit something Is it relevant that they are 88? not really: you'll normally find about 80-90 of these Are the four relevant ones different in shape than the other 84? no Are the letters from the Latin alphabet? yes, sure They are not used in a game or as toys, correct? not as toys, no; they can be used in games, but they are not game pieces as such And also, they are commonly found in homes, right? very much so Are they bought together as a set? indeed Are they used in kitchen? not usually For a hobby? can be: work, play, hobbies, etc etc As buttons? yes, sort of ... though they have a commoner name Are they about the same size of a dice? more or less exactly, yes Do they have magnets attached? not usually When you said 'yes' to 'instructions' above, does that mean that you use them to form instructions, or that the set come with instructions for their use? no: the puzzle statement is a set of instructions for using these, in order to perform a certain task | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3010 Registered: 1-2007 |
When you say they could be used in a game but are not game pieces as such do you just mean that if you lost some monopoly pieces you could use them as a substitute? Do they serve a practical function? Can they be used to send a message? make a point? as a reminder to do something? Any relevant technology? TV relevant at all? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2308 Registered: 3-2006 |
When you say they could be used in a game but are not game pieces as such do you just mean that if you lost some monopoly pieces you could use them as a substitute? nothing like this. But when I was a kid I had a little plastic brown bear that I always used instead of the monopoly dog. Do they serve a practical function? yes Can they be used to send a message? yes make a point? yes as a reminder to do something? yes Any relevant technology? yes TV relevant at all? yope ... a screen, certainly | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3011 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are they the buttons on a computer keyboard? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2309 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are they the buttons on a computer keyboard? YES! The LTPF always amazes me. The puzzle about outstaring snakes was solved in under 20 posts, as though outstaring snakes were the most natural thing in the world. And over 50 posts to get to a computer keyboard ... hehe. Ok, so we have a set of instructions that pertain to a computer keyboard. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3014 Registered: 1-2007 |
LOL . Amazing how we couldn't think of the thing we were using to say we couldn't think of it (If you know what I mean) CTRL ALT DEL relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2310 Registered: 3-2006 |
LOL . Amazing how we couldn't think of the thing we were using to say we couldn't think of it (If you know what I mean) I know, it struck me as funny too CTRL ALT DEL relevant? no: only the single-letter keys are relevant, no shifts, F-keys, numerics or any such fancy stuff | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 861 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do you use four letters to type a specific word? An internet address? Your password on a site? That was really funny, with the computer keyboard... I tried to imagine 88 "dices" stuck around some of the darkest place of my home, and all this while typing | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2311 Registered: 3-2006 |
Do you use four letters to type a specific word? yope/yesish but may mislead ... explore An internet address? not this Your password on a site? and not this That was really funny, with the computer keyboard... I tried to imagine 88 "dices" stuck around some of the darkest place of my home, and all this while typing :-) By the way, I've just checked, and this puzzle works perfectly for Romanian and German keyboards as well. Apologies to any French puzzlers, though. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3015 Registered: 1-2007 |
The stay where you are bit implies there is a double letter in whatever word you're keying in yes? Is the starting position the traditional home keys ASDF & HJKL? Are the directions from the key you're currently at or back to the starting key e.g. is the east east of southeast? or east of the starting point? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2312 Registered: 3-2006 |
The stay where you are bit implies there is a double letter in whatever word you're keying in yes? actually no: you may have a false assumption here, worth exploring further Is the starting position the traditional home keys ASDF & HJKL? it is one of those, certainly, and it's always a good idea to begin in the middle :-) Are the directions from the key you're currently at or back to the starting key e.g. is the east east of southeast? or east of the starting point? aha, it's variable, but the punctuation of the puzzle statement should be a clue. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 862 Registered: 9-2009 |
Probably a silly question, but north is towards the upper side of the keyboard, right? Are we looking for a real word, or just a somehow significant combination of keys (like LTPF, for example)? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3017 Registered: 1-2007 |
Yeah I was thinking that it's an acronym we use on the LTPF. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 863 Registered: 9-2009 |
Yes Peter, and because the main differences between a French and English keyboards are on the group to the left (QAZ), I am trying to "compose" something there. But the Woodworm recipe is tricky so far. :-) | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3020 Registered: 1-2007 |
Indeed it's very very tricky. There was a racehorse a few years back who won a the Champion Chase at Cheltenham called Azertyuiop. He was bred in France and I suppose had he been bred in the UK or Ireland he would have been called Qwertyuiop. I remember him very fondly because I had a few quid on him. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2313 Registered: 3-2006 |
Probably a silly question, but north is towards the upper side of the keyboard, right? yes Are we looking for a real word yes, but not just this, or just a somehow significant combination of keys (like LTPF, for example)? this too, but L, P, T and F do not feature Yeah I was thinking that it's an acronym we use on the LTPF. this is also relevant ... I remember that horse too! Had he been German (or Romanian) he would have been called Qwertzuiop ... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7705 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the key combination a word that is also an acronym? Has the key combination been typed in one of these posts? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2316 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the key combination a word that is also an acronym? yes-ish, it depends what you mean by 'the key combination' ... certainly a word doubling as an acronym comes into play, but the instructions don't just involve typing a word out Has the key combination been typed in one of these posts? not in this thread, as far as I'm aware | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 868 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the "blocks" referenced in the puzzle statement actually keys? Can the statement be translated as: 1. "Start on [undetermined key]". Is this key one with a letter on it, or something else? 2. "Press the key below and slightly to the right of the key determined at #1" 3. "Press the key at the right of the one at #2". 4. --- Stay where you are --- repeat pressing key from point 3? from point 2? go back to key where you started and press that one? 5. Press the key to the left of original (starting key)? key at #2? key at #3? key#4? Are there any letter that is doubled in the resulting word / acronym? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2317 Registered: 3-2006 |
ah, a nice systematic approach here...Are the "blocks" referenced in the puzzle statement actually keys? yes, they are Can the statement be translated as: 1. "Start on [undetermined key]". yes Is this key one with a letter on it, or something else? it is one with a letter on, towards the middle of the keyboard 2. "Press the key below and slightly to the right of the key determined at #1" no, but ... 3. "Press the key at the right of the one at #2". yes 4. --- Stay where you are --- repeat pressing key from point 3? no from point 2? no go back to key where you started and press that one? no; again, the punctuation of the statement may help, as might Balin's acronym idea 5. Press the key to the left of original (starting key)? key at #2? key at #3? key#4? nope Are there any letter that is doubled in the resulting word / acronym? still a lurking false assumption here. I suppose a 'yope' is the fairest answer. Once the (possible) false assumption is cleared up it should be plain sailing | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2318 Registered: 3-2006 |
Blooper! I'm confusing myself here. In fact, my answer to Q5 should probably have been 'yes' to pressing the key to the left of key #3. But that probably won't help until you interpret the meaning of the instructions. Aaargh ... this is so difficult to answer, yet the solution is so simple when you know it! | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 869 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the resulting acronym made of four letters? In the sense, is it of the form: ABCD? Or has actually more signs but some are repeating, as in: ABCDAB? Does the result include anything else than letters? Do you press the letter you are starting with? (from point #1 above?) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 870 Registered: 9-2009 |
One another idea: From the start to the end of the 'procedure' do you press any special key? (space, backspace, tab or arrows)? I start to regret the trombone | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2319 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the resulting acronym still a lurking assumption here perhaps ... made of four letters? actually, there are no relevant four-letter words (except perhaps the ones you might be muttering under your breath) ... this might narrow it down a bit In the sense, is it of the form: ABCD? no Or has actually more signs but some are repeating, as in: ABCDAB? not quite this either: you need a more lateral interpretation of the puzzle statement Does the result include anything else than letters? no: another good q Do you press the letter you are starting with? (from point #1 above?)no: excellent question! | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2320 Registered: 3-2006 |
One another idea: From the start to the end of the 'procedure' do you press any special key? (space, backspace, tab or arrows)? no, you only press letter keys ... no other keys are relevant in any way I start to regret the trombone Come back Martin Luther, all is forgiven :-) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 871 Registered: 9-2009 |
OK, to clear the FA: is the final answer to the puzzle: a word? an acronym? the completion of an operation? the result thereof? something else? Does 'stay where you are' imply something else than pressing a key? Like 'STOP'! 'HALT'!? And this intermediate result is used for going further? Is the title relevant? To use the only acronyms I can think of now: is this FYOI? FSOI? Can a HAM perform this operation? A HAF? Or it should be LAEFTR? Any of these acronyms is the one to whom Balin was referring to? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2321 Registered: 3-2006 |
OK, to clear the FA: is the final answer to the puzzle: a word? an acronym? the completion of an operation? the result thereof? yes: we're looking for a process involving all of the above something else? and, eventually, something of relevance to my title and little apology Does 'stay where you are' imply something else than pressing a key? Like 'STOP'! 'HALT'!? And this intermediate result is used for going further? no: it means what it suggests: stay on the same key Is the title relevant? sure: I'm not a big fan of irrelevant titles! (actually I'm still recovering from the puzzle with no solution and the rulebreaker with no rule) To use the only acronyms I can think of now: is this FYOI? is the puzzle of my own devising? yes FSOI? no, not this Can a HAM perform this operation? he could indeed A HAF? she could, yes Or it should be LAEFTR? yikes! never heard of that one but I feel that you may be closing in on the main idea Any of these acronyms is the one to whom Balin was referring to? Yes! And to save you listing them all, the relevant one is HAM. Now then ... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7715 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant that the H and M are typed with a different hand than the A? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 872 Registered: 9-2009 |
laeftr I saw used in some of woubit's puzzles. Being puzzled myself, I discovered it means 'Left as (an) exercise for the reader' So you start from 'H', correct? But this letter is not actually pressed, right? And then you should go one block southeast? Related to the 'H'? And you press that one? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2323 Registered: 3-2006 |
Relevant that the H and M are typed with a different hand than the A? no laeftr I saw used in some of woubit's puzzles. Being puzzled myself, I discovered it means 'Left as (an) exercise for the reader' aaah, I remember now. So you start from 'H', correct? correct But this letter is not actually pressed, right? right And then you should go one block southeast? yes Related to the 'H'? yes And you press that one? no ... consider the punctuation of the instructions. Very close now! | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 873 Registered: 9-2009 |
Start at 'H' ... go a block southeast (do not press it) and then east -- press! Then go a block west... Press that too? It gives 'M' or 'MN' till now... I am pretty sure this is not the answer... Relevant that in French keyboards 'M' is not next to 'N'? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2324 Registered: 3-2006 |
Start at 'H' ... go a block southeast (do not press it) and then east -- press! Yes! Then go a block west... Press that too? no It gives 'M' or 'MN' till now... I am pretty sure this is not the answer... close but no cigar Relevant that in French keyboards 'M' is not next to 'N'? no, no ... it's much simpler than this! | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 875 Registered: 9-2009 |
At least 'M' is the correct one pressed? Stay on that... MMMMMMMMMMMMM? Then go east but not press it? Is it some indecision here? Something you think about? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1133 Registered: 9-2010 |
Woodworm: (actually I'm still recovering from the puzzle with no solution and the rulebreaker with no rule) Er...sorry? I can't remember if both of these were my fault, but I know that the second one was... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7719 Registered: 4-2010 |
So an attempt at proper directions... Press H 1 key SE and 1 key E to M - press Press M again? Then go 1 west to N? And press? Is this OK? Or are there errors? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1134 Registered: 9-2010 |
*frowns* HMMN doesn't look like a LTPF acronym that I know, though, Balin...*ponders* | ||
| Visconti (Visconti)
New member Username: Visconti Post Number: 327 Registered: 2-2005 |
MG? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2325 Registered: 3-2006 |
At least 'M' is the correct one pressed? yes Stay on that... MMMMMMMMMMMMM? Then go east but not press it? none of this Is it some indecision here? Something you think about? not this So an attempt at proper directions... Press H 1 key SE and 1 key E to M - press yes: hint: H maps to M, then ... Press M again? but no to the rest. Then go 1 west to N? And press? Is this OK? Or are there errors? yes, there are: see above *frowns* HMMN doesn't look like a LTPF acronym that I know, though, Balin...*ponders* you're right! MG? no | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 884 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do you mean going west of M? Of H? Do you go a block of keys more than one key? (Press M than go to Z for example?) Do you press anything else after M? Through some unidentified mechanism, do you press 'Y' or 'E', which will reveal that you are protesting against something and hope nobody will be offended by this? The snake himself started blinking after looking at the puzzle and at the keyboard for several hours now | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2327 Registered: 3-2006 |
Do you mean going west of M? The third sentence of the instructions does mean this, yes Of H? no: you have done with the H Do you go a block of keys more than one key? (Press M than go to Z for example?) no: it's far simpler than this ... Do you press anything else after M? yes, two more keys Through some unidentified mechanism, do you press 'Y' or 'E', which will reveal that you are protesting against something and hope nobody will be offended by this? no The snake himself started blinking after looking at the puzzle and at the keyboard for several hours now Hahahah, priceless. I would have said this was a much easier puzzle than that one, but puzzle hosts never know how it's going to go. The sticking-point seems to be with how to parse the information in the puzzle statement. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 885 Registered: 9-2009 |
Well Howard, your statements about complexity are far more relaxing than your statements about simplicity.... I do hope nobody is too offended by this -- couldn't help saying this. One more set of questions for this evening: Do you press anything before the M? After pressing the M, are we in the 'stay there. move west' part of the procedure? Are the two keys pressed both west of M? Are both consonants? (Since there's no vowel on the last row and we don't have any indication that we should go back north?) If there are only consonants, is there some acronym involved? Some specialized slang? When you stay there, are you staying on M? On some other letter? Do you stay there by pressing the key, or just pondering where to go next? You should enroll this puzzle also to the category 'Lateral Adventures' | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2330 Registered: 3-2006 |
Do you press anything before the M? no After pressing the M, are we in the 'stay there. move west' part of the procedure? I suppose so, yes Are the two keys pressed both west of M? yep Are both consonants? no (Since there's no vowel on the last row and we don't have any indication that we should go back north?) If there are only consonants, is there some acronym involved? no: you've found the acronym HAM, and no more acronyms are involved Some specialized slang? nope When you stay there, are you staying on M? no On some other letter? yes Do you stay there by pressing the key, yes or just pondering where to go next? no | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 889 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the fact that you are using both hands relevant? Is it west of M but not on the same row? Are you pressing the letters in sequence or simultaneously? Some shortcuts relevant? Is the sequence MAN or MEN? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2332 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the fact that you are using both hands relevant? Is it west of M but not on the same row? Are you pressing the letters in sequence or simultaneously? Some shortcuts relevant? Is the sequence MAN or MEN? Yes: MAN is the sequence. Though I'm not sure how you got there! It's a mapping: To convert HAM to MAN: move the H one block southeast and one block east [M] the A stays where it is [A] the M goes one block west [N]. So ... would you like to explain my little protest and solve the puzzle? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1148 Registered: 9-2010 |
...You can change H/A/M to MAN, but not H/A/F to WOMAN? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2333 Registered: 3-2006 |
...You can change H/A/M to MAN, but not H/A/F to WOMAN? Haha, well you could, but it would take more steps, and I guess HAF is at least a more economical thing to type than 'woman'. But would you like to be referred to as a Haf? ;-) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1149 Registered: 9-2010 |
Not anywhere but on the LTPF, Woodworm. :-P | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2334 Registered: 3-2006 |
Not anywhere but on the LTPF, Woodworm. :-P LOL. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I'd like people to refer to me as a parasitic beetle larva in real life, either :-) So, are you going to polish this off? Because I'd love to put this puzzle to bed before bed ... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7749 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the "protest" related to political correctness? Is it "why are you calling me a ham - not every man is a ham"? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2335 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the "protest" related to political correctness? no, not really: it's more of a linguistic conservatism on my part, for want of a better term Is it "why are you calling me a ham - not every man is a ham"? well, some men are not HAMs: chess men, for instance. Perhaps this is how HAM originated ... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7752 Registered: 4-2010 |
"Ham" as in "William Shatner", that is (i.e. HAMs are not all hams)? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 892 Registered: 9-2009 |
Since it is too late to be thinking, I'll let you guys - and HAFs :-P - finish this off. Just to explain how I arrived at the MAN part -- after hours of trying myriads of combinations, I thought that a three letter being that can still have the power to protest should be only a MAN or an UFO... But since the first letter was the M, the answer was simple. Litteral, as opposed to latteral thinking :-) | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2336 Registered: 3-2006 |
"Ham" as in "William Shatner", that is (i.e. HAMs are not all hams)? Aaah ... inspired. To boldly split one's infinitive where no HAM has split his peas ... Actually I needed to Google this, as our equivalent is Brian Blessed. As ever ... much cleverer than the actual solution. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2337 Registered: 3-2006 |
Since it is too late to be thinking, I'll let you guys - and HAFs :-P - finish this off. Just to explain how I arrived at the MAN part -- after hours of trying myriads of combinations, I thought that a three letter being that can still have the power to protest should be only a MAN or an UFO... But since the first letter was the M, the answer was simple. Litteral, as opposed to latteral thinking :-) Well, as so often with crossword clues, you got the solution from the other side. Which is as good as any. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7754 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is your protest related to the acronym HAM? The derived word MAN? The directions themselves? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7757 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it that men always need directions to get to where they need to be? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2338 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is your protest related to the acronym HAM? yes, and to acronyms in general The derived word MAN? no The directions themselves? no Is it that men always need directions to get to where they need to be? no, but so true: I am always lost without a map but enough already! *** SPOILER *** This may be a Canute-like defiance against the forces of progress, but ... This puzzle is my little moan about acronyms, arcane abbreviations and in-house shorthands. It started innocently enough, with the occasional OH, yope, FA, and svv. Then came HAM and HAF. Now we've got HTM, HTF, DOYD, FSEI, FYOI and WLAZ (okay, I made that one up). And I'm as guilty as anyone. It spreads so fast! Any interested newcomer comes along and thinks we're all a bunch of hax0rs speaking in 1337. WWIEE? HAM is surely the silliest of all, as English already has a three-letter word for an adult human male. Hence my instructions for converting HAM back to MAN. Ok, rant over. TFIM*. *Thanks for indulging me. And, boy, was it hard to get by without "FA". It seemed very strange to type 'false assumption' every time. :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7763 Registered: 4-2010 |
BSMPUA - INETSUTSS. AGP! Translation: But so many people use acronyms - it's not easy to stop using them so suddenly. Anyway, great puzzle! Oh, and you can blame me for HTM and HTF....now if only I could find that Dilbert comic with the massive acronym joke.... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7764 Registered: 4-2010 |
...although you did use svv once. And QQ. But still a 99% - definitely A+. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2339 Registered: 3-2006 |
Haha, so I did. And vvvvvv, but I think this was ironic. ;-) That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 895 Registered: 9-2009 |
Another great puzzle Woodworm, thanks! I'll add this to my personal gallery of favourite Woodworm puzzles, together with the trombone and the snake. We have been working with a false assumption from the beginning to the end. And I agree with you that instead of HAM we should be using the proper three-way question H? A? M? But out of lazyness... And, IMHO, a MAN is a HAM for svv of 'ham' :-) | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3027 Registered: 1-2007 |
Super puzzle . I've always wondered if you were running a puzzle about a dead pig and someone asked is it a HAM? what would your answer be. TTFN |
