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If Rillette had been either more religious or less religious, she would have bought a new winter coat. How come?
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Would she have worn the winter coat to any religious services? Relevant? (I'm asking about both cases in which she would have bought the coat. So these are really 2 questions each)

Is it relevant what the coat would have looked like? how warm it was? Would she have worn the winter coat, in fact, during winter? or some other time of year?
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Is Rillette a nominal believer? Of a particular faith? Christianity? Judaism? Islam? Hinduism? Buddhism?
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Would she have worn the winter coat to any religious services? noRelevant?yesish(I'm asking about both cases in which she would have bought the coat. So these are really 2 questions each) same answers for both cases
Is it relevant what the coat would have looked like? no how warm it was? no Would she have worn the winter coat, in fact, during winter? yesor some other time of year? only if it got cold enough
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Is Rillette a nominal believer?possibly Of a particular faith? yes Christianity? Judaism? Islam? Hinduism? Buddhism? Judaism
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Is Rillette ethnically Jewish? Does she attend services? Regularly?

Would she have worn the coat? To any relevant location? For appearances' sake?
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Is the relevance of the coat that it covers something up? and the reason it would be worn only when it is cold is because it would otherwise look weird?
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Is Rillette you, Nimue?
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Fur coats relevant? Made from unkosher animals?
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Does it have anything to do with a real or professed level of faith? Or with where she is or where she might be if she had more or less faith (i.e., Jerusalem vs London?)
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Is Rillette ethnically Jewish?yes Does she attend services?yope Regularly? yope

Would she have worn the coat? yes To any relevant location? no For appearances' sake? presumably for both appearance & warmth
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Is the relevance of the coat that it covers something up? noand the reason it would be worn only when it is cold is because it would otherwise look weird? no
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Is Rillette you, Nimue? no. I am totally nonreligious & hence could not be "less religious."I also have no ethnicity.I even like to think I have no race. . . .
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Fur coats relevant? noMade from unkosher animals? irrel
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Does it have anything to do with a real or professed level of faith? yesish Or with where she is This puzzle works in the US & I don't know whether it would work in other countries or where she might be if she had more or less faith no (i.e., Jerusalem vs London?)
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Is there a reason you copy the whole entire post instead of just what the person/people you're replying to said? It's rather distracting...I hope no offense is taken, I just can't think of anyone else, offhand, who does it.
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Poor old Rillette seems to have been named after a sort of potted meat ...

Does Rillette have a coat already? If so, is there anything relevant about it? Has this anything to do with any law in the Torah? Is Hannukkah relevant? Has she taken a vow of poverty? Does she fear that someone will judge her if she buys a new coat?
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so she has a coat? an old coat? a coat suitable for her circumstances?
and if she was more religious she would buy a new one? and if she were less religious she would buy a new one? and we need to discover the reason(s)? is the reason for 'more religious' the same as the reason for 'less religious'?

The reason (if different for MR and LR please answer for both, MR first)- altrusistic? economic? vanity? for more warmth? to gain a benefit? to avoid losing a benefit? to send out a 'message' of some sort? to fool somebody? to help others in some way? to avoid hurting others? colour relevant? material of coat? price of coat?

are her hobbies relevant? her family? her romantic relationships? her pets? her education? her health?

could this work with a new winter hat? gloves? a new summer coat? a dress? shoes? a handbag? jewelry?

could this work with anything other than an item of clothing?

is the reason that she would buy a new coat that she would somehow lose her old one? or wear it out? that her old one would become unsuitable?

is the reason (for MR or LR) that she would be spending more time outside? less time?

would she buy the same new coat for MR and LR? if not would the difference relate to cost? thickness? style? colour? length? buttons?
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Is there a reason you copy the whole entire post instead of just what the person/people you're replying to said? It's rather distracting...I hope no offense is taken, I just can't think of anyone else, offhand, who does it. I don't do it on purpose! My computer hates me & often gives me unpleasant surprises. But I'll try to prevent this in the future.
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Poor old Rillette seems to have been named after a sort of potted meat ...Oooooh, I never heard of that!

Does Rillette have a coat already? probably If so, is there anything relevant about it? no Has this anything to do with any law in the Torah? noIs Hannukkah relevant? noHas she taken a vow of poverty? no Does she fear that someone will judge her if she buys a new coat? no
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so she has a coat? probably an old coat? a coat suitable for her circumstances? ditto
and if she was more religious she would buy a new one? yes and if she were less religious she would buy a new one? yes and we need to discover the reason(s)? yes is the reason for 'more religious' the same as the reason for 'less religious'? yes. GOOOOD question!!

The reason (if different for MR and LR please answer for both, MR first)- altrusistic? noeconomic? yes vanity? nofor more warmth? noto gain a benefit? yes to avoid losing a benefit? noto send out a 'message' of some sort? no to fool somebody? noto help others in some way? noto avoid hurting others? no colour relevant? nomaterial of coat? noprice of coat? yes

are her hobbies relevant? her family? her romantic relationships? her pets? her education? her health? no to all

could this work with a new winter hat? yes gloves? yes a new summer coat? maybe less well a dress? yes shoes? yes a handbag? yes jewelry? yes

could this work with anything other than an item of clothing? yes

is the reason that she would buy a new coat that she would somehow lose her old one? no or wear it out? nothat her old one would become unsuitable? no

is the reason (for MR or LR) that she would be spending more time outside? no less time? no

would she buy the same new coat for MR and LR? yesif not would the difference relate to cost? thickness? style? colour? length? buttons?
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would she buy a more expensive coat? less expensive?

is charitable giving relevant? any kind of sacrifice?
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Are holiday sales relevant? In particular, Christmas sales?
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would she buy a more expensive coat? no less expensive? possibly

is charitable giving relevant? no any kind of sacrifice? noish
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Are holiday sales relevant?no In particular, Christmas sales? no
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Is the coat relevant to social status? Economic status?
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Is the coat rele yes
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Is it reeley rele?
Just being silly, but which one (or both)?

Does the coat make her appear more religious to others? less religious? Is how "worldly" it makes her appear relevant?
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Is it reeley rele? Oops! The coat is relevant to economic status but not social status
Just being silly, but which one (or both)? see above

Does the coat make her appear more religious to others? no less religious? noIs how "worldly" it makes her appear relevant? no
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HINT: Find out when this situation takes place.
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Relevant the season? Spring? Summer? Autumn? Winter?
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Relevant the season? yes. GOOOOOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!!Spring? no Summer? noAutumn? yes Winter? no
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Lowering temperatures relevant? Falling leaves? Winds relevant?
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Lowering temper no to all
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So she would have bought a new winter coat well in advance? Is this the relevant idea? Anything to do with saving up? Any relevant religious precepts about saving? Or borrowing?
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So she would have bought a new winter coat well in advance? Yes. Lots of people buy winterr coats in the fall. There are large selections & pre-season discounts Is this the relevant idea? yes Anything to do with saving up? yes Any relevant religious precepts about saving? no Or borrowing? no
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she would have bought a coat now to save money? is she had been more religious she would have felt it important to save money so that it could be used for a good cause (good 'stewardship)? if she had been less religious she would have wanted to save money to spend on something for herself?

or she would have bought a coat because she could - she had saved up enough? and if she had been more religious she would have saved up because she hadn't used her money for frivolous things and squandered it (poor stewardship)? and if she was less religious she would have saved up because she wouldn't have given much away to others in charity?
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she would have bought a coat now to save money? nois she had been more religious she would have felt it important to save money so that it could be used for a good cause (good 'stewardship)? no if she had been less religious she would have wanted to save money to spend on something for herself? no

or she would have bought a coat because she could - she had saved up enough? yes, if she were either more or less religious,she would have had more money available in the falland if she had been more religious she would have saved up because she hadn't used her money for frivolous things and squandered it (poor stewardship)? no and if she was less religious she would have saved up because she wouldn't have given much away to others in charity? no
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would she have had more money because she had speant less previouslY? in the summer? on holiday?

would she have had more money because she had acquired more prior to the fall? in the fall? earnt it? been given it?
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would she have had more money because she had speant less previouslY?{possibly} in the summer? no on holiday? no

would she have had more money because she had acquired more prior to the fall? no in the fall? no earnt it? no been given it? no
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HINT: Jewish holidays are relevant.
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One specific Jewish holiday relevant? Rosh Hashanah? Yom Kippur? Hanukkah?
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One specific Jewish holiday relevant? two! Rosh Hashanah? yesYom Kippur? yes Hanukkah? no
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Does Rillette celebrate Rosh Hashanah? Yom Kippur? Would she purchase the coat on either of those two days? Before Rosh Hashanah? Between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur? After Yom Kippur?
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Does Rillette celebrate Rosh Hashanah? yesYom Kippur? Yes, although YK is the Day of Atonement,so no one really "celebrates" it Would she purchase the coat on either of those two days? no Before Rosh Hashanah?possibly Between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur? ditto After Yom Kippur? ditto
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Sacrifices relevant? Would the puzzle still work if the coat were not fur?
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Sacrifices relevant?no Would the puzzle still work if the coat were not fur? Yes--I never said the coat was fur
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Would the puzzle still work if it were not a winter coat?
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Would the puzzle still work if it were not a winter coat? yes
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Did she do something she had to atone for? (because she was not religious enough) and then have to spend money atoning for it? (because she was religious enough to want to do so)
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Did she do something she had to atone for? (because she was not religious enough) no and then have to spend money atoning for it? (because she was religious enough to want to do so) no
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Would she have bought the coat as a present to herself? Would the coat have been for her? For someone else?
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so this puzzle boils down to the statement that, If Rillette had been either more religious or less religious, she would have had more money at a particular time of year, the autumn? with the new winter coat being merely a signifier of having more money at that time?

and this is related to the Jewish special days of rosh hashanah and Yom Kippur?

having googled those (I regret my ignorance) - it seems that at Rosh Hashanah people are divided into three groups - the righteous, the wicked and the intermediate - is this relevant? and the intermediate have til Yom Kippur to become righteous? while the already righteous are OK, and the wicked are already judged?
so Rilette is intermediate? so she now has to use her money in such a way as to become righteous by Yom Kippur? but if she were more or less religious she would already have been in one of the other two groups so would have already been judged - ie it wouldn't be worth using her money to gain righteousness?

apologies for the very shallow understanding and analysis of another's reigious festivals!
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Would she have bought the coat as a present to herself?irrel Would the coat have been for her? irrel For someone else? irrel
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so this puzzle boils down to the statement that, If Rillette had been either more religious or less religious, she would have had more money at a particular time of year, the autumn? yes with the new winter coat being merely a signifier of having more money at that time? yes

and this is related to the Jewish special days of rosh hashanah and Yom Kippur? yes

having googled those (I regret my ignorance) - it seems that at Rosh Hashanah people are divided into three groups - the righteous, the wicked and the intermediate - is this relevant? noand the intermediate have til Yom Kippur to become righteous? irrel while the already righteous are OK, and the wicked are already judged? irrel
so Rilette is intermediate? irrel so she now has to use her money in such a way as to become righteous by Yom Kippur? nobut if she were more or less religious she would already have been in one of the other two groups so would have already been judged - ie it wouldn't be worth using her money to gain righteousness? no

apologies for the very shallow understanding and analysis of another's reigious festivals! No need to apologize to me--I stopped being Jewish when I was 12 so they're not my festivals!
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Is giving away money part of either of those two holidays? Spending money? Saving money?
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Is giving away money part of either of those two holidays? noish Spending money? yesish Saving money? no
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Do celebrations for Rosh Hashanah cost a lot? Yom Kippur? So if Rillette were more religious, she would have spent money on a celebration?
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Do celebrations for Rosh Hashanah cost a lot? yesishYom Kippur? yesish So if Rillette were more religious, she would have spent money on a celebration? noish
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Is some aspect of celebrating either holiday relevant? Feasting? Fasting? Is one of the two holidays more relevant than the other?
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Is some aspect of celebrating either holiday relevant? yes Feasting? no Fasting? no Is one of the two holidays more relevant than the other? no
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Celebration - with family? Friends? Going to the synagogue relevant?
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Celebration - with family?irrel Friends? irrel Going to the synagogue relevant?{ yes}
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Means of travelling to the synagogue? Number of people at the synagogue?

According to my philosophy professor here, who is ethnically but not religiously Jewish, on the holy days, the synagogue is crowded like none else. Relevant?
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Means of travelling to the synagogue? noNumber of people at the synagogue? yes

According to my philosophy professor here, who is ethnically but not religiously Jewish, on the holy days, the synagogue is crowded like none else. Relevant? yes
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Do people spend lots of money when travelling to the synagogue? To keep up their appearance in front of everyone else at the synagogue?

Does Rillette travel to the synagogue on the holy days?
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Do people spend lots of money when travelling to the synagogue? no To keep up their appearance in front of everyone else at the synagogue? irrel

Does Rillette travel to the synagogue on the holy days? irrel
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Does Rillette live near a synagogue?
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How about this: If Rillette were more religious, she would miss two or three days of work (1 or 2 days for Rosh Hashanah and 1 for Yom Kippur) - if less religious, then one day of work (Yom Kippur only). So when she skips work she loses money?
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Does Rillette live near a synagogue? irrel
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How about this: If Rillette were more religious, she would miss two or three days of work (1 or 2 days for Rosh Hashanah and 1 for Yom Kippur) - if less religious, then one day of work (Yom Kippur only). So when she skips work she loses money? no
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Does Rillette attend synagogue on the holy days? On one of them?
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Does Rillette attend synagogue on the holy days? yesOn one of them? both
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Does she stay at the synagogue for long? Does she lose money by going? By only going on those days?

Does Rillette go to synagogue on any other days of the year?
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Does she stay at the synagogue for long? irrel Does she lose money by going yes By only going on those days? no but you're ORT

Does Rillette go to synagogue on any other days of the year? probably not
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Relevant how she gets there? Does she drive? Walk? Take public transportation?
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Relevant how she gets there? no Does she drive? irrel Walk? irrelTake public transportation? irrel
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RECAP & HINT: add the following to the puzzle description: The reason Rillette does not get a new winter coat is that she loses money by going to synagogue on the High Holy Days. Find out WHY she loses money--it's a really peculiar reason!!
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Relevant what she does at the synagogue?
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is it to do with having to pay someone to do work she isn't allowed to on a holy day?
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Relevant what she does at the synagogue? no
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is it to do with having to pay someone to do work she isn't allowed to on a holy day? no
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she loses money by going to the synagogue right? is that because she fails to earn it? fails to win it? fails to be given it? has to spend more? has to give it away? has to pay a fine? has to buy something? physically loses the money?
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she loses money by going to the synagogue right? yes is that because she fails to earn it? no fails to win it? nofails to be given it? nohas to spend more? see next answer but one has to give it away?no or noish has to pay a fine? no has to buy something? yesphysically loses the money? see previous answer
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Does she need to buy something to enter the synagogue? To do something at the synagogue? Sacrifices relevant?
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Does she need to buy something to enter the synagogue? yesTo do something at the synagogue? yes Sacrifices relevant? no
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Does she need to buy clothing?

If she were more religious, would she already own one of these somethings for the synagogue? And so would not need to buy it?
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Does she need to buy clothing? no

If she were more religious, would she already own one of these somethings for the synagogue? yes And so would not need to buy it? no
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Is the something used in a certain ritual?
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Is the something used in a certain ritual? no
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Is the object used to show that she is Jewish? To enter the synagogue?
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Is the object used to show that she is Jewish? no To enter the synagogue? yes
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What's the thing you would think is LEAST likely to be necessary to attend religious services?
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HINT: What's the thing you would think is LEAST likely to be necessary to attend religious services?
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...*ponders*...Bringing a friend?
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...*ponders*...Bringing a friend? no
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Clothing? Food? Money? Does she have to pay to get in? Does she have to give an offering?
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Clothing? noFood? noMoney?yesish Does she have to pay to get in? yes--now you need to find out why she would have gotten that new coat if she were more religious Does she have to give an offering? see previouys answer
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Would she have not needed to pay if she'd been going more often?
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Would she have not needed to pay if she'd been going more often?noish
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If she were more religious, would she have been giving the money to the church and not splurging on herself?
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If she were more religious, would she have been giving the money to the church and not splurging on herself? No-remember the puzzle statement: If she were less OR MORE religious, she would have bought a new winter coat
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For the "more religious," is Rillette's job relevant? Does her work involve her religion?
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For the "more religious," is Rillette's job relevant? no Does her work involve her irrelreligion?
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is there some reason that she would have not had to pay if she had been more religious? because she had attended more in the past? was better known there?
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is there some reason that she would have not had to pay if she had been more religious? yope because she had attended more in the past? no was better known there? no
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Is it necessary to have a membership to attend services?
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Is it necessary to have a membership to attend services?No, but you're VERY VERY ORT!!!!!!
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Does she need some form of identification? To go through a class or something like that?
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Does she need some form of identification? no To go through a class or something like that? no
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If Rillette were more religious, would she attend services regularly?
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Relevant that seat reservations on the holy days are required in many synagogues for a fee?
(But I don't see how that fits for Rilette being "more relgious" and still buying a new coat...)
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If Rillette were more religious, would she attend services regularly? yes
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Relevant that seat reservations on the holy days are required in many synagogues for a fee?yesyesyes!!!!!
(But I don't see how that fits for Rilette being "more relgious" and still buying a new coat...) Think about who has to pay the fee at the time|
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Ah...is there a "frequent flyer" program in the Jewish synagogue - eek, sorry; that was little cheeky!

Perhaps the faithful attendees get discounts on the reservations? Or get their tickets for free?
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Ah...is there a "frequent flyer" program in the Jewish synagogue - eek, sorry; that was little cheeky! I stopped being Jewish when I was 12; so I'm hardly likely to be offended!!

Perhaps the faithful attendees get discounts on the reservations? no Or get their tickets for free? no but you're VERY VERY ORT.
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So...if she were less religious, then she wouldn't be in synagogue on the holy days; wouldn't purchase the seat reservation; thereby having the extra money to buy a new coat...right?

If she were more religious...hm-m-m...
She would be taking an active role in the service - like singing in a choir - no seat required?
She would stay home because the less faithful need the seat worse than she does? (Yeah, I know that one's not right!)
She would volunteer to stand during the service?
She would volunteer to help in another way - such as being an usher/greeter or holding the sacrifice? (Sorry - I am afraid all of my knowledge comes from a Christian vantage point.)
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So...if she were less religious, then she wouldn't be in synagogue on the holy days; wouldn't purchase the seat reservation; thereby having the extra money to buy a new coat...right? yes

If she were more religious...hm-m-m...
She would be taking an active role in the service - like singing in a choir - no seat required? no
She would stay home because the less faithful need the seat worse than she does? no(Yeah, I know that one's not right!)
She would volunteer to stand during the service? no
She would volunteer to help in another way - such as being an usher/greeter or holding the sacrifice? no(Sorry - I am afraid all of my knowledge comes from a Christian vantage point.)
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I had to look at a synagogue's website.
If Rilette were more religious then she would already be paying for a regular membership to the synagogue and admission to the holy days services are included in her dues...right?
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Would she not need a reservation if she attended regularly?
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I had to look at a synagogue's website.
If Rilette were more religious then she would already be paying for a regular membership to the synagogue and admission to the holy days services are included in her dues...right? yes. At last!!
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Would she not need a reservation if she attended regularly? see above

********* SPOILER **************
Like many churches, synagogues are packed on major holidays & sparsely attended otherwise. Synagogues have a particularly bad way of handling the situation; you have to buy a ticket (often quite expensive) for high holy day services, unless you're a member, in which case tickets are included in your membership dues. If Rillette were more religious, she would be a member & while she would have paid her dues earlier, she wouldn't be especially short of cash in Sept. If she were less religious, she wouldn't be going to temple at all. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you will find my new puzzle!And thanks for solving this one, Kaygee!

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