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Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In honor of our fellow co-puzzler, Woodworm

This is not the first trombone
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Is there a physical trombone? Something shaped like a trombone? A paper clip?

Any people relevant? H? A? M?
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Is there a physical trombone? Something shaped like a trombone? A paper clip?

Any people relevant? H? A? M?

No to all. And as a double warning, this is a bit silly a very quick one for a certain line of questioning. Let's see
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"Seventy-six trombones" relevant? Is it the second one? Third? (...) Seventy-sixth? (I didn't want to bother typing all the numbers)
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LTPF relevant?
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"Seventy-six trombones" relevant? No Is it the second one? Yes Third? (...) Seventy-sixth? (I didn't want to bother typing all the numbers)
LTPF relevant? No
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Is it the last trombone (Letzte Posaune)?

Nouvelle Buisine?

You just found my second one, in Level Six?

Okies, I jest. Anything to do with orchestral scorings? Would this puzzle work for a sousaphone? A vuvuzela?
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Re: your title: anything to do with the sidekick of one of my solutions? Not that I would want to break your heart ...
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Is it the last trombone (Letzte Posaune)?

Nouvelle Buisine?

You just found my second one, in Level Six?

Okies, I jest. Anything to do with orchestral scorings? Would this puzzle work for a sousaphone? A vuvuzela?

Re: your title: anything to do with the sidekick of one of my solutions? Not that I would want to break your heart ...

I'm afraid to say, no to all. What's Level Six?
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*** BLOOPER ***
Would this puzzle work for a sousaphone? Yes, I guess so, but I am not sure
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Is the word "trombone" relevant? The shape of a trombone? A drawing or other depiction of a trombone?
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Is it anything like saying, "This is not my first rodeo?"
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Is the word "trombone" relevant? It will be, later in the puzzle. However the thing that it is a musical intrument is relevant The shape of a trombone? A drawing or other depiction of a trombone? No to the rest

Is it anything like saying, "This is not my first rodeo?" No, but nice thinking

HINT: This is a sort of a connection-type puzzle, only much shorter and expressed in a 'classical' format
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Any other musical instruments relevant? If so, brass instruments? Instruments that would be found in your average marching band?
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Any other musical instruments relevant? Yes If so, brass instruments? Instruments that would be found in your average marching band? No to both
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Instruments: woodwind? String? Percussion?
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Instruments: woodwind? String? This one Percussion?
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Guitar? Piano? Violin? Viola? Cello? Bass? Double bass? Banjo? Ukulele?
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Thanks!

Does 'first'/'second' have to do with seats/ranking? As in, someone didn't make 'first trombone'?
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Is "playing second fiddle" relevant?
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Guitar? Piano? Violin? This one Viola? Cello? Bass? Double bass? Banjo? Ukulele?

Does 'first'/'second' have to do with seats/ranking? As in, someone didn't make 'first trombone'No to both

Is "playing second fiddle" relevant? No, but an idiom like the one above is the key to this puzle, though I think that we have to work a little more for it to become apparent
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"Fit as a fiddle"?
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"Fit as a fiddle"? No, no fiddles involved
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Playing the violin relevant? Is a certain type of violin relevant? Stradavarius?
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Playing the violin relevant? Yes, no to the rest Is a certain type of violin relevant? Stradavarius?
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Playing it exceptionally well? Exceptionally poorly? Playing a certain note relevant? A certain piece?
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Second string?
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Playing it exceptionally well? How well is not relevant, but we might assume a good play No to the rest. Exceptionally poorly? Playing a certain note relevant? A certain piece?

Second string? No

We are looking for a violin that it is 'second' something. It has to do with playing it. The answer should be a well known expression
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Second fiddle? "playing second fiddle" is an expression...
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Second-hand? As in, used? Playing a new tune on a used something?

Knowing very little about instruments, I have to couch this question in vocal terms--second clef or a step down from the highest? Like a second soprano?
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Second fiddle? "playing second fiddle" is an expression... It might be, but it is not the answer

Second-hand? As in, used? Playing a new tune on a used something? No to all

Knowing very little about instruments, I have to couch this question in vocal terms--second clef or a step down from the highest? Like a second soprano? No instrument knowledge is required. Violin is the only one that matters, and playing this instrument is basically what interests us. A few more basic questions might be of help. We are almost there, since the word violin is part of the expression...
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Not just 'second violin', in a quartet? Or the second violins in an orchestra? Or second position?
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Not just 'second violin', in a quartet? Or the second violins in an orchestra? Or second position? No to all, with a tiny ish to the last one
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Second...something? Second string?
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Second...something? Yes Second string? But not this
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Second chair?
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Second chair? No.

HINT: The second something is not a tangible object
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Second wind?
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Second wind? No
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Second day? Second hour? Something to do with time?
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Second day? No Second hour? No Something to do with time? In a sense yes, but may mislead
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Second time? Second chance?
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Second time? Second chance? No to both. Time is somehow laterally related.

I think a RECAP might be usefull, as well as a BLOOPER

We are trying to find a certain expression which contains yopishly (that was the blooper) the word 'violin'. The expression is related to second something, which is not a tangible object and which laterally relates to time
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"Fit as a fiddle"?

Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle?
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"Fit as a fiddle"? No

Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle? And the cow jumped over the moon, but this is not relevant

HINT #2 (I am not sure if this is usefull): The expression is not in English, but it is a well known one
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Playing a fiddle to a water buffalo?
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Playing a fiddle to a water buffalo? No. It is a more common one (I think) and doesn't have a verb.... It's simply a description of activities that for example both you and I have done -- and a lot of others, for sure

And the violin is yopishly in the expression itself. No other instrument is relevant.
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Language of the idiom - a European language? African? Asian?
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Language of the idiom - a European language? Mainly this... African? ...but it is spoken also here Asian? I don't think so

It is a French idiom, but I guess it's widespread

That should also clear the yope above -- the word violin is in the expression, but in French
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le violon d'ingres? au violon?
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le violon d'ingres? Exactly! au violon?

****** SPOILER ******

The "violon d'Ingres" is a common expression for one's second 'profession' or one's hobby. It can be posting on the LTPF itself.

It is named of course after the leading French painter Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres. To quote wikipedia directly : "Ingres's well-known passion for playing the violin gave to the French language a colloquialism, "violon d'Ingres", meaning a second skill beyond the one by which a person is mainly known. The American avant-garde artist Man Ray used this expression as the title of a famous photograph portraying Alice Prin (aka Kiki de Montparnasse) in the pose of the Valpinçon Bather." This should also explain the title.

The idea of the puzzle came while talking to a friend about Woodworm's 'last trombone' puzzle. Trombone and violon rhymes around here, so a puzzle could be framed.

Thanks go to Matt for a quick solve.
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Fun puzzle! Glad to hear that this violon d'ingres is spreading.

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