| Author | Message | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1058 Registered: 9-2009 |
Split them in two bands! Then put both of them on fire! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9288 Registered: 4-2010 |
Them #1: a group of things? Of people? H? A? M? Both of them = the two bands? Bands: groups of things? Of people? Rubber bands? Musical groups? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1059 Registered: 9-2009 |
Them #1: a group of things? Of people? Yes H? A? M? Yes to all Both of them = the two bands? Yes Bands: groups of things? Of people? This one. None of the others Rubber bands? Musical groups? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9299 Registered: 4-2010 |
Put them on fire...literally? "On fire" idiomatically, as in "on a roll"? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1061 Registered: 9-2009 |
Put them on fire...literally? Hard to answer. The poet was probably angry at the time, so I don't know. You can take this as an expletive. "On fire" idiomatically, as in "on a roll"? This is not the case, though | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9315 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do the people have something in common? Occupation? Religion? Influence? On politics? Is the poem from [LTPF list of centuries]? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1063 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do the people have something in common? Yes Occupation? Yes Religion? Probably, but irrelevant Influence? Yes On politics? Yes Is the poem from [LTPF list of centuries]? 19th | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9323 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they politicians? Kings? Lawyers? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1066 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they politicians? Kings? Lawyers? Hard to answer, and the poet is dead and cannot be asked ... might be all of the above. I would say politicians, and this is what was intended in this puzzle Remaining to be discovered: 1. Why the poet would put them on fire (easiest) 2. The relevance of the title 3. Why two bands? The poet is of no significance unless you know the exact verses from one of his poems | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9335 Registered: 4-2010 |
Put them on fire - to destroy them? Because he was really angry? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1067 Registered: 9-2009 |
Put them on fire - to destroy them? Absolutely Because he was really angry? Probably, but concentrate on #2 and # 3 above. Actually he was a senior editor in a newspaper. Peter (our co-puzzler from Ireland) inspired me to post this little puzzle | ||
| Irader (Irader)
New member Username: Irader Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the poet a vampire? Were the people set on fire vampires? Were the people who set them on fire vampires? Is someone a vampire? Is anyone thaught to be a vampire? Is them 2 people? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9369 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a newsworthy event relevant? A scandal? Is this from an editorial? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1070 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the poet a vampire? no, not at all Were the people set on fire vampires? no Were the people who set them on fire vampires? yope Is someone a vampire? I don't know Is anyone thaught to be a vampire? Yes! Is them 2 people? no, there were -- and are -- more than 2, splitted in two bands Is a newsworthy event relevant? No A scandal? No Is this from an editorial? No To clear #1 above, the poet was angry -- presumably -- because of the actions of some guys. We are not interested to find reasons for his anger or who the the guys were, but only what were the two bands and why a vampire might be involved | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9393 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the poet think he was a vampire? That the people in one of the bands were? Both bands? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1071 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the poet think he was a vampire? That the people in one of the bands were? Both bands? No to all. | ||
| Irader (Irader)
New member Username: Irader Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the powet angry beacues people were being split into two bands, then blood removed from them? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1072 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the powet angry beacues people were being split into two bands, then blood removed from them? Nothing of this sort | ||
| Irader (Irader)
New member Username: Irader Post Number: 34 Registered: 12-2010 |
Has blood got to do with anything? Were there any mirros involved? Sharp Teeth? Bats? No reflection? Was the poet a psycho? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1077 Registered: 9-2009 |
Has blood got to do with anything? Were there any mirros involved? Sharp Teeth? Bats? No reflection? Was the poet a psycho? No all. The characteristics of a vampire are irrelevant. Trying to get more of the general picture might be helpful | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9497 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the poet angry at everyone in both bands? Just one of them? For the same reasons? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1079 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the poet angry at everyone in both bands? Yes Just one of them? For the same reasons? Yesish, political reasons | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9509 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were the two bands part of a political party? Two parties? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1080 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the two bands part of a political party? They were, if I remember correctly. However what that party was is irrelevant to this puzzle Two parties? Short RECAP and maybe some small hints: One poet emphasizes in some verses his enmity towards the members of a certain political party: "Split them in two bands! Then put both of the two bands on fire!" he exclaims (not in these exact words, but close enough). In his imprecation (which spans four verses, two of which are referenced but not exactly quoted in the puzzle statement), a yopish vampire is involved | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 636 Registered: 9-2008 |
Two bands: because they were arguing two sides of an issue? Does "vampire" refer to politicians who are more concerned about winning favor or retaining power than about maintaining principles? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1082 Registered: 9-2009 |
Two bands: because they were arguing two sides of an issue? Does "vampire" refer to politicians who are more concerned about winning favor or retaining power than about maintaining principles? No to both, but the poet's anger was directed towards those traits exactly | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9521 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does he actually want the politicians to be set on fire? Or is that just a metaphor for his anger? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1084 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does he actually want the politicians to be set on fire? Or is that just a metaphor for his anger? This one | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9527 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the poet a member of the same political party? An opposing one? Another one? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1089 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the poet a member of the same political party? An opposing one? This one Another one? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9536 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does he despise all members of Opposing Party? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1093 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does he despise all members of Opposing Party? Irrelevant | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9561 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he only angry at the politicians of Opposing Party? Is a certain piece of legislation relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1095 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is he only angry at the politicians of Opposing Party? Yes Is a certain piece of legislation relevant? Not at all. And it could work today also, but... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9565 Registered: 4-2010 |
Elections relevant? Does Opposing Party hold a majority of seats? A plurality? Coalitions relevant? Relevant what type of government this is? If so, republic? Democracy? Monarchy? Parliamentary? [LTPF list of types of government]? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1096 Registered: 9-2009 |
Elections relevant? Does Opposing Party hold a majority of seats? A plurality? Coalitions relevant? Relevant what type of government this is? If so, republic? Democracy? Monarchy? Parliamentary? [LTPF list of types of government]? None of these are relevant, I'm afraid | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9570 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the politicians corrupt? Does he think they are? Is a scandal relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1097 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the politicians corrupt? I don't know Does he think they are? Yes, among other things, which prompts his wish that they be divided into two bands and afterwards "put on fire" Is a scandal relevant? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9576 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do the politicians that the poet hates comprise every politician of Opposing Party? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1099 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do the politicians that the poet hates comprise every politician of Opposing Party? I don't know, but irrelevant. He was referring to them in a generic fashion. You can assume yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9579 Registered: 4-2010 |
Backtracking for a moment... You say that "a yopish vampire is involved," correct? Is this yopish vampire a person? An animal? An actual thing? Something fictional? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1100 Registered: 9-2009 |
Backtracking for a moment... Very good idea You say that "a yopish vampire is involved," correct? Yes Is this yopish vampire a person? Yope An animal? An actual thing? As much as humans, vampires and fictional characters are things Something fictional? Yope Getting closer on both fronts now | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9584 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a legendary being? Something human? Human-like? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1101 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a legendary being? Yope Something human? Yope or Yesish Human-like? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9586 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it the subject of a lot of conspiracy theories? Bigfoot? Aliens? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1102 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it the subject of a lot of conspiracy theories? Bigfoot? Aliens? Nothing of this sort, as I'm sure only a little bit of investigation will reveal | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9587 Registered: 4-2010 |
Something that once was human? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1103 Registered: 9-2009 |
Something that once was human? Noish and (my bad, I should've mentioned this a few posts ago) a FA is lurking around here. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9592 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the FA about the being? Could it be considered a being? Is it alive? Animate? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1104 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the FA about the being? Yesish Could it be considered a being? Is it alive? Animate? Yes to all, he is H/A/M although yopishly a vampire. The FA is however still around | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9600 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a singular being? More than one? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1105 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a singular being? Yope, hard to answer, as you will see. That was the FA More than one? See above | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9604 Registered: 4-2010 |
Can the being be both one and many? Can it create duplicates of itself? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1106 Registered: 9-2009 |
Can the being be both one and many? Can it create duplicates of itself? No to both. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde are one or two persons? No doubling of personality is involved here - rather something much simpler, but might serve as a hint | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9610 Registered: 4-2010 |
Changing forms to look like other people? A shapeshifter? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1109 Registered: 9-2009 |
Changing forms to look like other people? A shapeshifter? No to both | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is a vampire also a metaphor? Meaning, for example draining people of trust to politicians, draining country of money? Maybe it's all about an image of vampire? Painting, drawing? Two bands: both are evil but for different reasons? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1158 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is a vampire also a metaphor? In a sense. But he is also a real person Meaning, for example draining people of trust to politicians, draining country of money? Not those things, but nice thought Maybe it's all about an image of vampire? It's an invocation to a yopish vampire Painting, drawing? So none of these Two bands: both are evil but for different reasons? Yesish. Good point here, but be aware of FAs | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2011 |
The vampire in question is a real one, mentioned for comparison? Invocation to a yopish vampire: is the vampire supposed to divide the politicians into two bands and throw both to the fire? The fire is supposed only to destroy? Maybe also purify or any other reason? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1162 Registered: 9-2009 |
The vampire in question is a real one, mentioned for comparison? Yope to a real one, no comparison however Invocation to a yopish vampire: is the vampire supposed to divide the politicians into two bands and throw both to the fire? Exactly and precisely so! Well done! The fire is supposed only to destroy? Maybe also purify or any other reason? No, just to destroy, nothing left here As Redwine solved much of it, the only thing remaining is why is he a yopish vampire and why was he put into the poem by our poet | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2011 |
A yopish vampire: is he a person with some features of vampire? or vampire who is not vampire any more? The person who has something in common with some famous vampire? The actions to be taken are similar to what any famous vampire once did? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1165 Registered: 9-2009 |
A yopish vampire: is he a person with some features of vampire? No or vampire who is not vampire any more? No The person who has something in common with some famous vampire? Yesish, this is OTRT The actions to be taken are similar to what any famous vampire once did? Yope Good questions | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2011 |
The thing that real person and vampire have in common is: name? position? abilities? skills? views on politicians/rulers? location? (I remember that physical look was excluded earlier, correct?) Is the poem entirely about vampire with this only few lines refering to politicians? Or maybe it's entirely about politicians with only that one invocation to a yopish vampire? Witch hunting relevant? I guess that finding the famous vampire the poet refers to would help... I think Dracula is too obvious? The vampire is known from: legends? books? film? comics? fairy tales? (I mean what is the original source, films based on books shouldn't count). Any reference to hell? Fires of hell? Doomsday? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2406 Registered: 9-2010 |
hmm, Vlad Dracul, "Vlad the Impaler", was the inspiration for Dracula. Relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1168 Registered: 9-2009 |
The thing that real person and vampire have in common is: name? Yope position? abilities? skills? views on politicians/rulers? Yesish location? (I remember that physical look was excluded earlier, correct?) Correct Is the poem entirely about vampire with this only few lines refering to politicians? Or maybe it's entirely about politicians with only that one invocation to a yopish vampire? The last sentence is entirely correct Witch hunting relevant? No I guess that finding the famous vampire the poet refers to would help... I think Dracula is too obvious? But also the answer, see below The vampire is known from: legends? books? film? comics? fairy tales? (I mean what is the original source, films based on books shouldn't count). Any reference to hell? Fires of hell? Doomsday? hmm, Vlad Dracul, "Vlad the Impaler", was the inspiration for Dracula. Relevant? And the answer too ******* SPOILER ******* In one of his poems, the Romanian poet Mihai Eminescu , after comparing the good behavior of ancestors to our daily politics, ends up with verses that might be roughly translated as: "Why don't you come, the Impaler Lord To grab them all, and divide them in two bands -- fools and cheaters Put them into two appropriate places Then set on fire both the prison -- and the sanatorium." Thanks to Marta and to Liz for the solve, apologies to Eminescu for the translation and a nice sleep to the Impaler because he would have a lot of work to do, should he be alive once more. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2413 Registered: 9-2010 |
Liz is it now? :-P I prefer Kaylee, thanks lol :-) but I'm amazed I was even right... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10621 Registered: 4-2010 |
Nice puzzle! Oh, and apologies for forgetting about it for almost a whole month. Although I somehow doubt that even in that time, I would have come up with the answer. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1169 Registered: 9-2009 |
I apologize Kaylee. I was tired last evening and thought that typing three letters instead of six would save some time :-) Thanks for the solve. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2426 Registered: 9-2010 |
no worries Rbruma :-) You're welcome. |
