| Author | Message | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 500 Registered: 2-2009 |
Although I didn’t technically break the rule, they treat me like I did. I suppose they feel the need to protect the public from me in part because I have family members who did. they1 = they2 did1 = did2 = break the rule | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1845 Registered: 9-2010 |
I = me = you, Kalira? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 502 Registered: 2-2009 |
I = me = you, Kalira? yep | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9324 Registered: 4-2010 |
Rule - a law? A tradition? Is your job relevant? "They" = H? A? M? "The public" = the everyday populace? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 504 Registered: 2-2009 |
Rule - a law? I guess the best answer here would be yope A tradition? no Is your job relevant? no "They" = H? A? M? "they" is an organization "The public" = the everyday populace? a certain section of them, anyway | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9336 Registered: 4-2010 |
Rule - more like a guideline? The organization - could it be considered a club? A group with a common interest? A fraternity or sorority? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1068 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you break a rule? A rule established by the state -- or, officially correct -- a rule established by elders in the community ? Did you make a comment that might be offensive to some group of people? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 508 Registered: 2-2009 |
Balin Rule - more like a guideline? DOYD of guideline... The organization - could it be considered a club? no A group with a common interest? yesish to yope A fraternity or sorority? definitely not Rbruma Did you break a rule? no A rule established by the state -- or, officially correct -- a rule established by elders in the community ? it's a rule established by the organization, but there are actually a number of organizations with the same aims, and from what I have seen, the same rule applies across all of them Did you make a comment that might be offensive to some group of people? no, no words are involved | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9359 Registered: 4-2010 |
Girl Scouts? Did you not-technically-break-the-rule through an action? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 512 Registered: 2-2009 |
Girl Scouts? nope -- it's not really an organization one "belongs" to, more one that does things Did you not-technically-break-the-rule through an action? yope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9361 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the rule an official rule of the organization? An unofficial rule? Sports relevant? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 513 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is the rule an official rule of the organization? yes An unofficial rule? Sports relevant? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2106 Registered: 7-2009 |
It is an organization where there's an underlying assumption that you should feel loved? A school? A church? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 515 Registered: 2-2009 |
It is an organization where there's an underlying assumption that you should feel loved? A school? A church? no to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9378 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the organization governmental? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 516 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is the organization governmental? no | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2516 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did you host four puzzles at the same time? ;-) | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 517 Registered: 2-2009 |
Did you host four puzzles at the same time? ;-) lol! No, but a limit of sorts is definitely relevant -- see, and you just thought you weren't going to advance the puzzle any ;-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9392 Registered: 4-2010 |
The organization - does it hold meetings? In person? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2518 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did they think you were going to take more than 10 items through an express checkout? Try to vote more than once? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9412 Registered: 4-2010 |
Woodworm - I like that first one. Let's wait and see... | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 519 Registered: 2-2009 |
Balin The organization - does it hold meetings? In person? no to both Woodworm Did they think you were going to take more than 10 items through an express checkout? amusing, but no -- the limit is not on items, but... Try to vote more than once? no (I don't think I'd attempt to draw the wrath of the government by even suggesting it possible) A suggestion/possible path to take is below, if you wish it... Copy and paste it somewhere to read in English. If you are running out of ways to figure out the organization (or just getting tired of hearing 'no's from me, you may want to look into the part of the puzzle statement regarding protection of the (section of the) public... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9438 Registered: 4-2010 |
Section of the public - does it consist of other members of the organization? Of one person? 5 people? 10? 20? 50? 100? 500? 1000? 5000? 10,000? 50,000? 100,000? 500,000? 1 million? Section of the public - H? A? M? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 521 Registered: 2-2009 |
Section of the public - does it consist of other members of the organization? it could Of one person? 5 people? 10? 20? 50? 100? 500? 1000? 5000? 10,000? I don't have accurate numbers, but I'd guess, at any one time, probably at least this. The number fluctuates. 50,000? 100,000? 500,000? 1 million? Section of the public - H? A? M? some of them -- it consists of people across the spectrum of acronyms | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9448 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the section of the public have something in common? Location? Occupation? Income? Religion? Upbringing? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1078 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is a contagious disease relevant? Some other kind of disease? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 522 Registered: 2-2009 |
Balin Does the section of the public have something in common? yes Location? Occupation? Income? Religion? Upbringing? but none of these Rbruma Is a contagious disease relevant? no Some other kind of disease? yes | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1902 Registered: 9-2010 |
A neurological disorder? A mental disorder? (I'm separating the two, though maybe I shouldn't. To clarify, I'm thinking of them as: Neurological disorder: something that affects the brain's function, but not the person's intelligence, such as epilepsy (I have that). Mental disorder: something that specifically affects a person's intelligence or their ability to learn (such as, say, a severe case of Down's Syndrome. An 'adopted cousin' of mine has that.) | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1327 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does the organization intrinsically have anything to do with the disease (i.e. other than through the situation in this puzzle)? If so, does it raise money to try and cure the disease? does it raise public awareness of the disease? help family members of those with it? The protection of the members of the public with the disease, is it: Protection from something that may aggravate the disease, such as an allergen (is it, in fact, an allergy)? Protection from misinformation or bad advice? Or protection from something unfair to do with the internal politics/membership of the organization, that the rule is written to avoid? Does the rule concern who may be a member of the organization? How long one may hold an office or position of power within the organization? How funds are used from fundraisers? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 523 Registered: 2-2009 |
Kayleetonkslupin A neurological disorder? yes, it's defined as such A mental disorder? no (I'm separating the two, though maybe I shouldn't. ... made sense to me :-) Biograd Does the organization intrinsically have anything to do with the disease (i.e. other than through the situation in this puzzle)? no If so, does it raise money to try and cure the disease? does it raise public awareness of the disease? help family members of those with it? The protection of the members of the public with the disease, is it: Protection from something that may aggravate the disease, such as an allergen (is it, in fact, an allergy)? no... Protection from misinformation or bad advice? no Or protection from something unfair to do with the internal politics/membership of the organization, that the rule is written to avoid? nope Does the rule concern who may be a member of the organization? How long one may hold an office or position of power within the organization? How funds are used from fundraisers? no to all these Potential BLOOPER alert -- the disease in question is NOT contagious, but it IS infectious. If that threw anybody off, I apologize. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1085 Registered: 9-2009 |
Meningitis? Encephalitis? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 524 Registered: 2-2009 |
Meningitis? Encephalitis? neither of these | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1088 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the exact disease relevant, or does suffice, for the purposes of the puzzle, to know that it is an infectious neurological disorder? Is a quarantine relevant? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1329 Registered: 6-2008 |
Are the members of the public supposed to be protected from getting the disease in the first place? Is it a prion disease? Are rules on the sale of food products relevant? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 525 Registered: 2-2009 |
Rbruma Is the exact disease relevant, or does suffice, for the purposes of the puzzle, to know that it is an infectious neurological disorder? yes, it's relevant, but never fear -- I think Biograd may have an idea what it is Is a quarantine relevant? no Biograd Are the members of the public supposed to be protected from getting the disease in the first place? yes! Is it a prion disease? and yes! Are rules on the sale of food products relevant? but no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9549 Registered: 4-2010 |
Mad cow disease? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 526 Registered: 2-2009 |
Mad cow disease? well, technically Creutzfeldt-Jakob is the disease the public is supposed to be protected from getting, but yes, Mad Cow is relevant to the transmission | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2117 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is blood donation relevant? Any other kind of medical donation? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 529 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is blood donation relevant? yes Any other kind of medical donation? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9575 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are you allowed to give blood? Do you have family members with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1916 Registered: 9-2010 |
*blink* With *what*? And I call myself a medical assistant? I never went in-depth on random diseases though, just more well known ones...*looks at wiki* Oh, it's a neurological disorder...well, it must not be all that common around here, I've never heard of it anyway, not even when I was an extern in my own neurologist's office. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 530 Registered: 2-2009 |
Balin Are you allowed to give blood? no Do you have family members with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease? no Kayleetonkslupin *blink* With *what*? ?? And I call myself a medical assistant? I never went in-depth on random diseases though, just more well known ones...*looks at wiki* Oh, it's a neurological disorder...well, it must not be all that common around here, I've never heard of it anyway, not even when I was an extern in my own neurologist's office. I don't think it's terribly common, but has gotten some press, especially the variant kind [the kind gotten from contaminated beef] which is the important kind here. Feel free to ignore all non-mad cow related forms of the disease. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1921 Registered: 9-2010 |
I never heard of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease before this puzzle, hence my "with *what*?" reaction to Balin and needing to look it up. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 531 Registered: 2-2009 |
Ahh... I see. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9591 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are you not allowed to give blood because of the disease in some way? Did you live for a long time in a country/area with a prevalence of the disease? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2120 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did you or any of your family members spend an extended amount of time in the UK? Eat a lot of beef there? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 532 Registered: 2-2009 |
Balin Are you not allowed to give blood because of the disease in some way? yes Did you live for a long time in a country/area with a prevalence of the disease? noish, and that -ish is relevant Noel Did you or any of your family members spend an extended amount of time in the UK? I'll see your UK and raise you Germany Eat a lot of beef there? I don't think I ate any, actually. Family members probably ate a relatively normal amount. A lateral leap may be required at this point... we'll see based on the next questions. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2122 Registered: 7-2009 |
The "ish" - related to the length of time you were there? related to living there vs visiting there? Related to the prevalence of the disease? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 533 Registered: 2-2009 |
The "ish" - related to the length of time you were there? this one related to living there vs visiting there? Related to the prevalence of the disease? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1108 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you live (visiting?) there not a long time but enough for the organization to consider you a "danger"? Long shot: did you happen just to change airplanes there and stayed there for a few hours? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 534 Registered: 2-2009 |
Did you live (visiting?) there not a long time but enough for the organization to consider you a "danger"? yope... remember I didn't technically break the rule Long shot: did you happen just to change airplanes there and stayed there for a few hours? definitely not | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2124 Registered: 7-2009 |
So you and some of your family members were in Germany? Did you/they live there? Were you/they visiting? Is beef eating relevant? If so, the quantity eaten? The location it came from? A specific time when it shouldn't have been eaten? Has anyone in your family been diagnosed with C-J disease? The relevant family members: parents? grandparents? siblings? uncles/aunts? cousins? more distant? Relevant? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 535 Registered: 2-2009 |
So you and some of your family members were in Germany? yep Did you/they live there?yes Were you/they visiting? Is beef eating relevant? not specifically... it's implied by the rule but not stated outright. As far as I can tell, the rule applies regardless of whether or not you actually ate beef. If so, the quantity eaten? The location it came from? A specific time when it shouldn't have been eaten? specific time is mentioned in the rule Has anyone in your family been diagnosed with C-J disease? no The relevant family members: parents? very much so... grandparents? siblings? sibling broke the rule too, but he's not so much relevant to the solution uncles/aunts? cousins? more distant? Relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9615 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the rule about eating? About beef? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 536 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is the rule about eating? About beef? neither is specifically called out | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2127 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the rule specifically about living in Germany? The duration of time one lived there? The year/decade one lived there? Or doing something specifically while living there? Such as eating food prepared in a specific location? Did you and your parents live there at the same time? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 537 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is the rule specifically about living in Germany? yes (or any of several other countries in Europe) The duration of time one lived there? yes The year/decade one lived there? yes Or doing something specifically while living there? no Such as eating food prepared in a specific location? no Did you and your parents live there at the same time? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 538 Registered: 2-2009 |
Whoops... forgot to answer that last question Did you and your parents live there at the same time? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9630 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is there a rule that no one who has lived in Germany for X amount of time during a certain time period can give blood? Because of a C-J disease scare? Did you live there for long enough to be deferred? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 539 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is there a rule that no one who has lived in Germany for X amount of time during a certain time period can give blood? yes Because of a C-J disease scare? yesish... basically because they got beef from the UK during that time Did you live there for long enough to be deferred? no We still haven't made the lateral leap... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9645 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the C-J disease transferred from the beef? Is there any way to know if anyone who lived in X place at X time has C-J disease? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2129 Registered: 7-2009 |
I'm struggling to understand how you and your parents both lived in Germany at the same time, for the same length of time, but they broke the rule and you didn't. Is the reason you were living in Germany relevant? The specific location where you lived? Perhaps a US army base? Were those exempt from the ban for some reason? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1338 Registered: 6-2008 |
So by the phrase "they treat me like I did", do you mean that blood centers refuse to take your blood? even though you actually were not in Germany? or did not eat beef when you were there? Are you maybe a vegetarian, and so there was no way for you to get the disease from food no matter where you lived? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 541 Registered: 2-2009 |
Balin Was the C-J disease transferred from the beef? irrel Is there any way to know if anyone who lived in X place at X time has C-J disease? irrel, but at this time it doesn't appear so Noel I'm struggling to understand how you and your parents both lived in Germany at the same time, for the same length of time, but they broke the rule and you didn't. I didn't say we lived there the same amount of time... Perhaps a BLOOPER is in order: Did you and your parents live there at the same time? should be yesish to yope Is the reason you were living in Germany relevant? no The specific location where you lived? and no Perhaps a US army base? Were those exempt from the ban for some reason? no, they aren't exempt Biograd So by the phrase "they treat me like I did", do you mean that blood centers refuse to take your blood? yes even though you actually were not in Germany? I was in Germany or did not eat beef when you were there? I think the ban actually extends to everyone there during that time, regardless of whether they ate beef Are you maybe a vegetarian, and so there was no way for you to get the disease from food no matter where you lived? no, but there is a significant reason why I didn't eat beef while I was there | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9763 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you know about the medical scare with the beef? So you didn't eat the beef? Did your parents eat beef while in Germany? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2158 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did you live in Germany for less time than your parents? And the length of time they lived there was too long to be able to give blood? But the length of time you lived there was not? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 542 Registered: 2-2009 |
Balin Did you know about the medical scare with the beef? no So you didn't eat the beef? Did your parents eat beef while in Germany? almost certainly Noel Did you live in Germany for less time than your parents? yes And the length of time they lived there was too long to be able to give blood? yes But the length of time you lived there was not? yes So, why am I still not allowed to give blood? HINT: Why are my parents relevant, but not my brother? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9886 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did your brother not live in Germany at all? Did he warn you not to eat the beef? Is his profession relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1149 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is sex relevant? Some genetical traits that are transmissible only to female offspring? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2167 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the reason you lived there less time than your parents that you were born there? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 543 Registered: 2-2009 |
Balin Did your brother not live in Germany at all? no, he lived there Did he warn you not to eat the beef? no Is his profession relevant? no Rbruma Is sex relevant? no Some genetical traits that are transmissible only to female offspring? no Noel Is the reason you lived there less time than your parents that you were born there? yes! I'm going to call this one, since you got the lateral leap I was looking for. ********SPOILER******** When I found out during college that a blood drive was being organized, I told my mother that I was planning to give, but she told me to check out the restrictions on who could give blood, since she had been seen a pertinent one when looking into giving blood at an earlier date. I found that people who lived on U.S. military bases in West Germany for more than 6 months in the 1980s were on the "deferred indefinitely" (read: we aren't going to want your blood at any point in the foreseeable future) list. For a while, I wasn't sure why as no explanation was given on that list, but we figured out later it was because of the possibility of mad cow/C-J disease (I think the countries in question got their beef from England during that time, hence the "problem," but I could be wrong about that). Now technically, I didn't live on a military base in Germany for more than six months -- I was born there about four months before my family shipped back to the United States. I asked someone from the organization conducting the blood drive, and it was strongly suggested that I err on the side of caution. While I didn't technically break the rule, and I didn't eat beef while I was there anyway, I was dealing with the same food my mother ate during the 8+ months she was pregnant with me and afterward. So, because I had family (more specifically, the mother who was feeding me) who broke the rule, I am not allowed to give blood for fear I may have contracted C-J disease through her. And, since there appears to be no test for it as of now, I don't think I'll be able to give blood in the U.S. for a long while until and unless they make some kind of medical breakthrough. Anybody else quirky in a way they never realized? Thanks to everyone who participated, including the omnipresent Balin, and Noel for the kill. And special thanks to La_sparky, whose "Contradiction" puzzle made me initially think to make this a puzzle. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10384 Registered: 4-2010 |
Not "quirky," per se, but I found out this past November when I went to give blood that I cannot do so until next April. This is because when I went to Peru for a missions trip, I was in an area which was barely outside the "safe zone" for giving blood. Oh well. Speaking of that, I'm the only one in my immediate family who does not know their blood type. Clevar puzzle! |
