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Kalira (Kalira)
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Although I didnít technically break the rule, they treat me like I did. I suppose they feel the need to protect the public from me in part because I have family members who did.

they1 = they2
did1 = did2 = break the rule
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I = me = you, Kalira?
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I = me = you, Kalira? yep
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Rule - a law? A tradition?

Is your job relevant? "They" = H? A? M?

"The public" = the everyday populace?
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Rule - a law? I guess the best answer here would be yope A tradition? no

Is your job relevant? no "They" = H? A? M? "they" is an organization

"The public" = the everyday populace? a certain section of them, anyway
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Rule - more like a guideline?

The organization - could it be considered a club? A group with a common interest? A fraternity or sorority?
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Did you break a rule? A rule established by the state -- or, officially correct -- a rule established by elders in the community ?

Did you make a comment that might be offensive to some group of people?
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Balin
Rule - more like a guideline? DOYD of guideline...

The organization - could it be considered a club? no A group with a common interest? yesish to yope A fraternity or sorority? definitely not

Rbruma
Did you break a rule? no A rule established by the state -- or, officially correct -- a rule established by elders in the community ? it's a rule established by the organization, but there are actually a number of organizations with the same aims, and from what I have seen, the same rule applies across all of them

Did you make a comment that might be offensive to some group of people? no, no words are involved
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Girl Scouts?

Did you not-technically-break-the-rule through an action?
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Girl Scouts? nope -- it's not really an organization one "belongs" to, more one that does things

Did you not-technically-break-the-rule through an action? yope
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Is the rule an official rule of the organization? An unofficial rule?

Sports relevant?
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Is the rule an official rule of the organization? yes An unofficial rule?

Sports relevant? no
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It is an organization where there's an underlying assumption that you should feel loved? A school? A church?
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It is an organization where there's an underlying assumption that you should feel loved? A school? A church? no to all
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Is the organization governmental?
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Is the organization governmental? no
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Did you host four puzzles at the same time? ;-)
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Did you host four puzzles at the same time? ;-) lol! No, but a limit of sorts is definitely relevant -- see, and you just thought you weren't going to advance the puzzle any ;-)
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The organization - does it hold meetings? In person?
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Did they think you were going to take more than 10 items through an express checkout? Try to vote more than once?
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Woodworm - I like that first one. Let's wait and see...
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Balin
The organization - does it hold meetings? In person? no to both

Woodworm
Did they think you were going to take more than 10 items through an express checkout? amusing, but no -- the limit is not on items, but... Try to vote more than once? no (I don't think I'd attempt to draw the wrath of the government by even suggesting it possible)

A suggestion/possible path to take is below, if you wish it... Copy and paste it somewhere to read in English.
If you are running out of ways to figure out the organization (or just getting tired of hearing 'no's from me, you may want to look into the part of the puzzle statement regarding protection of the (section of the) public...
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Section of the public - does it consist of other members of the organization? Of one person? 5 people? 10? 20? 50? 100? 500? 1000? 5000? 10,000? 50,000? 100,000? 500,000? 1 million?

Section of the public - H? A? M?
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Section of the public - does it consist of other members of the organization? it could Of one person? 5 people? 10? 20? 50? 100? 500? 1000? 5000? 10,000? I don't have accurate numbers, but I'd guess, at any one time, probably at least this. The number fluctuates. 50,000? 100,000? 500,000? 1 million?

Section of the public - H? A? M? some of them -- it consists of people across the spectrum of acronyms
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Does the section of the public have something in common? Location? Occupation? Income? Religion? Upbringing?
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Is a contagious disease relevant? Some other kind of disease?
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Balin
Does the section of the public have something in common? yes Location? Occupation? Income? Religion? Upbringing? but none of these

Rbruma
Is a contagious disease relevant? no Some other kind of disease? yes
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A neurological disorder? A mental disorder?

(I'm separating the two, though maybe I shouldn't. To clarify, I'm thinking of them as:
Neurological disorder: something that affects the brain's function, but not the person's intelligence, such as epilepsy (I have that).
Mental disorder: something that specifically affects a person's intelligence or their ability to learn (such as, say, a severe case of Down's Syndrome. An 'adopted cousin' of mine has that.)
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Does the organization intrinsically have anything to do with the disease (i.e. other than through the situation in this puzzle)? If so, does it raise money to try and cure the disease? does it raise public awareness of the disease? help family members of those with it?

The protection of the members of the public with the disease, is it:
Protection from something that may aggravate the disease, such as an allergen (is it, in fact, an allergy)?
Protection from misinformation or bad advice?
Or protection from something unfair to do with the internal politics/membership of the organization, that the rule is written to avoid?

Does the rule concern who may be a member of the organization? How long one may hold an office or position of power within the organization? How funds are used from fundraisers?
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Kayleetonkslupin
A neurological disorder? yes, it's defined as such A mental disorder? no

(I'm separating the two, though maybe I shouldn't. ... made sense to me :-)

Biograd
Does the organization intrinsically have anything to do with the disease (i.e. other than through the situation in this puzzle)? no If so, does it raise money to try and cure the disease? does it raise public awareness of the disease? help family members of those with it?

The protection of the members of the public with the disease, is it:
Protection from something that may aggravate the disease, such as an allergen (is it, in fact, an allergy)? no...
Protection from misinformation or bad advice? no
Or protection from something unfair to do with the internal politics/membership of the organization, that the rule is written to avoid? nope

Does the rule concern who may be a member of the organization? How long one may hold an office or position of power within the organization? How funds are used from fundraisers? no to all these


Potential BLOOPER alert -- the disease in question is NOT contagious, but it IS infectious. If that threw anybody off, I apologize.
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Meningitis? Encephalitis?
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Meningitis? Encephalitis? neither of these
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Is the exact disease relevant, or does suffice, for the purposes of the puzzle, to know that it is an infectious neurological disorder? Is a quarantine relevant?
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Are the members of the public supposed to be protected from getting the disease in the first place? Is it a prion disease? Are rules on the sale of food products relevant?
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Is the exact disease relevant, or does suffice, for the purposes of the puzzle, to know that it is an infectious neurological disorder? yes, it's relevant, but never fear -- I think Biograd may have an idea what it is Is a quarantine relevant? no

Biograd
Are the members of the public supposed to be protected from getting the disease in the first place? yes! Is it a prion disease? and yes! Are rules on the sale of food products relevant? but no
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Mad cow disease?
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Mad cow disease? well, technically Creutzfeldt-Jakob is the disease the public is supposed to be protected from getting, but yes, Mad Cow is relevant to the transmission
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Is blood donation relevant? Any other kind of medical donation?
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Is blood donation relevant? yes Any other kind of medical donation?
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Are you allowed to give blood? Do you have family members with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease?
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*blink* With *what*? And I call myself a medical assistant? I never went in-depth on random diseases though, just more well known ones...*looks at wiki* Oh, it's a neurological disorder...well, it must not be all that common around here, I've never heard of it anyway, not even when I was an extern in my own neurologist's office.
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Balin
Are you allowed to give blood? no Do you have family members with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease? no

Kayleetonkslupin
*blink* With *what*? ?? And I call myself a medical assistant? I never went in-depth on random diseases though, just more well known ones...*looks at wiki* Oh, it's a neurological disorder...well, it must not be all that common around here, I've never heard of it anyway, not even when I was an extern in my own neurologist's office. I don't think it's terribly common, but has gotten some press, especially the variant kind [the kind gotten from contaminated beef] which is the important kind here. Feel free to ignore all non-mad cow related forms of the disease.
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I never heard of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease before this puzzle, hence my "with *what*?" reaction to Balin and needing to look it up.
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Ahh... I see.
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Are you not allowed to give blood because of the disease in some way? Did you live for a long time in a country/area with a prevalence of the disease?
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Did you or any of your family members spend an extended amount of time in the UK? Eat a lot of beef there?
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Are you not allowed to give blood because of the disease in some way? yes Did you live for a long time in a country/area with a prevalence of the disease? noish, and that -ish is relevant

Noel
Did you or any of your family members spend an extended amount of time in the UK? I'll see your UK and raise you Germany Eat a lot of beef there? I don't think I ate any, actually. Family members probably ate a relatively normal amount.

A lateral leap may be required at this point... we'll see based on the next questions.
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The "ish" - related to the length of time you were there? related to living there vs visiting there? Related to the prevalence of the disease?
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The "ish" - related to the length of time you were there? this one related to living there vs visiting there? Related to the prevalence of the disease?
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Did you live (visiting?) there not a long time but enough for the organization to consider you a "danger"? Long shot: did you happen just to change airplanes there and stayed there for a few hours?
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Did you live (visiting?) there not a long time but enough for the organization to consider you a "danger"? yope... remember I didn't technically break the rule Long shot: did you happen just to change airplanes there and stayed there for a few hours? definitely not
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So you and some of your family members were in Germany? Did you/they live there? Were you/they visiting?

Is beef eating relevant? If so, the quantity eaten? The location it came from? A specific time when it shouldn't have been eaten?

Has anyone in your family been diagnosed with C-J disease?

The relevant family members: parents? grandparents? siblings? uncles/aunts? cousins? more distant? Relevant?
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So you and some of your family members were in Germany? yep Did you/they live there?yes Were you/they visiting?

Is beef eating relevant? not specifically... it's implied by the rule but not stated outright. As far as I can tell, the rule applies regardless of whether or not you actually ate beef. If so, the quantity eaten? The location it came from? A specific time when it shouldn't have been eaten? specific time is mentioned in the rule

Has anyone in your family been diagnosed with C-J disease? no

The relevant family members: parents? very much so... grandparents? siblings? sibling broke the rule too, but he's not so much relevant to the solution uncles/aunts? cousins? more distant? Relevant?
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Is the rule about eating? About beef?
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Is the rule about eating? About beef? neither is specifically called out
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Is the rule specifically about living in Germany? The duration of time one lived there? The year/decade one lived there? Or doing something specifically while living there? Such as eating food prepared in a specific location?

Did you and your parents live there at the same time?
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Is the rule specifically about living in Germany? yes (or any of several other countries in Europe) The duration of time one lived there? yes The year/decade one lived there? yes Or doing something specifically while living there? no Such as eating food prepared in a specific location? no

Did you and your parents live there at the same time?
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Whoops... forgot to answer that last question

Did you and your parents live there at the same time? yes
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Is there a rule that no one who has lived in Germany for X amount of time during a certain time period can give blood? Because of a C-J disease scare?

Did you live there for long enough to be deferred?
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Is there a rule that no one who has lived in Germany for X amount of time during a certain time period can give blood? yes Because of a C-J disease scare? yesish... basically because they got beef from the UK during that time

Did you live there for long enough to be deferred? no

We still haven't made the lateral leap...
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Was the C-J disease transferred from the beef? Is there any way to know if anyone who lived in X place at X time has C-J disease?
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I'm struggling to understand how you and your parents both lived in Germany at the same time, for the same length of time, but they broke the rule and you didn't.

Is the reason you were living in Germany relevant? The specific location where you lived? Perhaps a US army base? Were those exempt from the ban for some reason?
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So by the phrase "they treat me like I did", do you mean that blood centers refuse to take your blood? even though you actually were not in Germany? or did not eat beef when you were there?

Are you maybe a vegetarian, and so there was no way for you to get the disease from food no matter where you lived?
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Balin
Was the C-J disease transferred from the beef? irrel Is there any way to know if anyone who lived in X place at X time has C-J disease? irrel, but at this time it doesn't appear so

Noel
I'm struggling to understand how you and your parents both lived in Germany at the same time, for the same length of time, but they broke the rule and you didn't. I didn't say we lived there the same amount of time...

Perhaps a BLOOPER is in order:
Did you and your parents live there at the same time? should be yesish to yope

Is the reason you were living in Germany relevant? no The specific location where you lived? and no Perhaps a US army base? Were those exempt from the ban for some reason? no, they aren't exempt

Biograd
So by the phrase "they treat me like I did", do you mean that blood centers refuse to take your blood? yes even though you actually were not in Germany? I was in Germany or did not eat beef when you were there? I think the ban actually extends to everyone there during that time, regardless of whether they ate beef

Are you maybe a vegetarian, and so there was no way for you to get the disease from food no matter where you lived? no, but there is a significant reason why I didn't eat beef while I was there
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Did you know about the medical scare with the beef? So you didn't eat the beef?

Did your parents eat beef while in Germany?
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Did you live in Germany for less time than your parents? And the length of time they lived there was too long to be able to give blood? But the length of time you lived there was not?
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Balin
Did you know about the medical scare with the beef? no So you didn't eat the beef?

Did your parents eat beef while in Germany? almost certainly

Noel
Did you live in Germany for less time than your parents? yes And the length of time they lived there was too long to be able to give blood? yes But the length of time you lived there was not? yes

So, why am I still not allowed to give blood? HINT: Why are my parents relevant, but not my brother?
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Did your brother not live in Germany at all? Did he warn you not to eat the beef? Is his profession relevant?
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Is sex relevant? Some genetical traits that are transmissible only to female offspring?
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Is the reason you lived there less time than your parents that you were born there?
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Balin
Did your brother not live in Germany at all? no, he lived there Did he warn you not to eat the beef? no Is his profession relevant? no

Rbruma
Is sex relevant? no Some genetical traits that are transmissible only to female offspring? no

Noel
Is the reason you lived there less time than your parents that you were born there? yes!

I'm going to call this one, since you got the lateral leap I was looking for.

********SPOILER********

When I found out during college that a blood drive was being organized, I told my mother that I was planning to give, but she told me to check out the restrictions on who could give blood, since she had been seen a pertinent one when looking into giving blood at an earlier date. I found that people who lived on U.S. military bases in West Germany for more than 6 months in the 1980s were on the "deferred indefinitely" (read: we aren't going to want your blood at any point in the foreseeable future) list. For a while, I wasn't sure why as no explanation was given on that list, but we figured out later it was because of the possibility of mad cow/C-J disease (I think the countries in question got their beef from England during that time, hence the "problem," but I could be wrong about that).

Now technically, I didn't live on a military base in Germany for more than six months -- I was born there about four months before my family shipped back to the United States. I asked someone from the organization conducting the blood drive, and it was strongly suggested that I err on the side of caution. While I didn't technically break the rule, and I didn't eat beef while I was there anyway, I was dealing with the same food my mother ate during the 8+ months she was pregnant with me and afterward.

So, because I had family (more specifically, the mother who was feeding me) who broke the rule, I am not allowed to give blood for fear I may have contracted C-J disease through her. And, since there appears to be no test for it as of now, I don't think I'll be able to give blood in the U.S. for a long while until and unless they make some kind of medical breakthrough.

Anybody else quirky in a way they never realized?

Thanks to everyone who participated, including the omnipresent Balin, and Noel for the kill. And special thanks to La_sparky, whose "Contradiction" puzzle made me initially think to make this a puzzle.
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Not "quirky," per se, but I found out this past November when I went to give blood that I cannot do so until next April. This is because when I went to Peru for a missions trip, I was in an area which was barely outside the "safe zone" for giving blood. Oh well.

Speaking of that, I'm the only one in my immediate family who does not know their blood type.

Clevar puzzle!

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