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Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 6:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Disappointment killed the bird.

The cat and its curiosity are NOT relevant.
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The bird: real bird? fictional? A metaphor? (e.g., an airplane)?

Was the bird disappointed? Somebody else? H? A? M?
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The bird: real bird? yes fictional? A metaphor? (e.g., an airplane)? no to rest

Was the bird disappointed? no Somebody else? yes H? yes A? no M? no, but that's irrel
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"Killed" as in caused to become dead? Or "killed" as in ruined the effect of? (Like if the bird were singing a beautiful song and someone started singing along, that would "kill" the beauty of the bird. Sorry, I'm just trying to think of good examples that involve birds.)

Overcame completely or with irresistible effect? (Like when you say "Oh, that movie killed me" because it was so awesome. So the bird was so overcome by disappointment that I don't know, but perhaps didn't literally die)

To defeat or veto (like a bill - perhaps they were voting on whether to have a bird in the building or if that was in violation of health code)

Is the bird's species relevant? If so, is it [LTPF List of Birds]? Bird = one specific bird? Or a whole species of bird? And it became extinct? Like the dodo?
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"Killed" as in caused to become dead? yes Or "killed" as in ruined the effect of? (Like if the bird were singing a beautiful song and someone started singing along, that would "kill" the beauty of the bird. Sorry, I'm just trying to think of good examples that involve birds.)

Overcame completely or with irresistible effect? (Like when you say "Oh, that movie killed me" because it was so awesome. So the bird was so overcome by disappointment that I don't know, but perhaps didn't literally die)

To defeat or veto (like a bill - perhaps they were voting on whether to have a bird in the building or if that was in violation of health code) No to all, but very nice examples (:

Is the bird's species relevant? I don't know the species, but it IS relevant that it's small If so, is it [LTPF List of Birds]? see above Bird = one specific bird? yes Or a whole species of bird? And it became extinct? Like the dodo? so, no to rest
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The other relevant person: a child? Teenager? You? Was that person's disappointment a cause of the bird's death? Did she kill it? By neglecting it? Is the bird's cause of death relevant?

True story?
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The other relevant person: a child? yes Teenager? no You? no Was that person's disappointment a cause of the bird's death? yes Did she kill it? yes By neglecting it? no Is the bird's cause of death relevant? yes

True story? I'm not sure if it's based on one, but let's say FSEI
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Type of bird relevant?
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Type of bird relevant? As I don't really know what type it is - noish. Keep in mind that it's small, as I've pointed out above.
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Was the bird hit on the head? Did it end up in a car's grille?
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Was the bird hit on the head? Did it end up in a car's grille? no to both
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Did the bird die of poisoning? Of starvation? Was it eaten? By an animal? A pet?
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Did the bird die of poisoning? Of starvation? Was it eaten? By an animal? A pet? no to all

Keep in mind that the person killed it (see above)
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Did the bird overeat? Was it kept inside? Did it fly into a window?
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Did the bird overeat? no Was it kept inside? yes Did it fly into a window? no
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Did the bird try to fly out? Did the person intentionally kill it? Accidentally?
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Did the bird die immediately? Or within minutes? hours? days?
Did the bird get crushed? Enclosed within another object?
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Did the bird try to fly out? no Did the person intentionally kill it? noish Accidentally? yesish

Did the bird die immediately? yes Or within minutes? hours? days? no to rest
Did the bird get crushed? yes, I think that's a word you could use, although I had a different one in mind. Enclosed within another object? yes!
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Was the child disappointed because of something related to the bird? Did her relatives disappoint her? Her friends? Was she trying to play with the bird and managed to kill it in the process? Was he trying to wrap it up as a present? By the way, Christmas gifts relevant? Gifts in general?
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Was the child disappointed because of something related to the bird? yes Did her relatives disappoint her? yes Her friends? no Was she trying to play with the bird and managed to kill it in the process? no Was he trying to wrap it up as a present? no By the way, Christmas gifts relevant? yes! Gifts in general? so, yes

Very good questions (:
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Was the bird in a cage? Did the bird get flattened?

Did the bird die before the disappointment? After? At the same time as?
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Was the bird in a cage? I'm not sure, but when it died, it wasn't Did the bird get flattened? I guess that's what you could call it

Did the bird die before the disappointment? no After? only shortly At the same time as? Yes, see previous answer. Maybe half a minute later
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The kid was trying to give freedom to the bird as a Xmas gift, but the bird could not fly; so the kid was very dissapointed and he try to make it fly by trowing it through the window of his seventh floor apartment?

It is just a theory
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The kid was trying to give freedom to the bird as a Xmas gift, but the bird could not fly; so the kid was very dissapointed and he try to make it fly by trowing it through the window of his seventh floor apartment? A nice theory, but no. You're right about the X-Mas gift part, the kid did get the bird for Christmas.
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Did the kid was dissapointed of receiving a bird as a X-mas gifth so he decided to kill it? in order to recieve a better gift?
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Did the kid was dissapointed of receiving a bird as a X-mas gifth yes so he decided to kill it? no, she didn't really decide to do it in order to recieve a better gift? no
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Does Linda put some object over the bird? a part of her body? was Linda focused in something else?
May we call the girl "Linda"?
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Did Linda intentionally kill the bird? Was the bird left in an enclosed space? Like a box? Without air holes?
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Total shot in the dark but: Magic tricks relevant? Pigeons in collapsing cages? Is the birdcage relevant, if there is one?

Did Linda put the bird in this other object/place where it was flattened? Was the bird in a regular Christmas present box? After her initial disappointment, did she take an action that directly caused the birds death? Did she crush the bird with her own body? Did something fall on it?
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Does Linda put some object over the bird? no, see next answer a part of her body? yes! was Linda focused in something else? no
May we call the girl "Linda"? sure, it's a nice name!

Did Linda intentionally kill the bird? Noish to no, I don't think she actually wanted to kill it Was the bird left in an enclosed space? it was in a bird cage before it was killed, but that's irrel Like a box? irrel Without air holes? irrel

Total shot in the dark but: Magic tricks relevant? no Pigeons in collapsing cages? no Is the birdcage relevant, if there is one? there is one, but it's irrel

Did Linda put the bird in this other object/place where it was flattened? yes Was the bird in a regular Christmas present box? no, it was in a cage After her initial disappointment, did she take an action that directly caused the birds death? yes Did she crush the bird with her own body? yes! Did something fall on it? no

You're quite close to the solution now! (:
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Did the bird die while still in the cage? Was the cage crushed as well? Did she try to grab the bird? Remove it from the cage? And managed to "squeeze" it?
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Did the bird die while still in the cage? no Was the cage crushed as well? no Did she try to grab the bird? no Remove it from the cage? no And managed to "squeeze" it? not because she wanted to take it out of the cage, but she squeezed it
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Did the bird escape from the cage? And Linda tried to catch her?
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Did the bird escape from the cage? no And Linda tried to catch her? no

To make this easier: Someone else takes it out of the cage and gives it to Linda.
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Did Linda intentionally squeeze the bird? But without meaning to kill it? Was she trying to make the bird smaller?
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So Linda is given a small bird for Christmas. It is in a cage. She is disappointed to get it. It is then taken out of the cage and handed to her. At this point for some reason, she squeezes it too hard, and kills it. Is this timeline correct? Or is her disappointment after the bird is handed to her? Relevant what order?

Does she know the bird is real? Not a toy? Is she trying to hand the bird back to someone? Put the bird down/somewhere else? When she kills the bird is she distracted by something/someone else? Does she clench her fist out of anger? Is she trying to get it to talk? Did she want a parrot? Lol. I'm just shooting in the dark here aren't I?
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Did Linda intentionally squeeze the bird? yes But without meaning to kill it? that's really hard to say... but I think she didn't rationally decide to kill it Was she trying to make the bird smaller? no

So Linda is given a small bird for Christmas. It is in a cage. She is disappointed to get it. It is then taken out of the cage and handed to her. At this point for some reason, she squeezes it too hard, and kills it. Is this timeline correct? yes, this is correct and almost the solution Or is her disappointment after the bird is handed to her? Relevant what order? yesish, see above

Does she know the bird is real? yes Not a toy? yes Is she trying to hand the bird back to someone? no Put the bird down/somewhere else? yes When she kills the bird is she distracted by something/someone else? no Does she clench her fist out of anger? no, not anger, but Is she trying to get it to talk? no Did she want a parrot? no Lol. I'm just shooting in the dark here aren't I? No, you're pretty close. There are just some details missing: The reason for her disappointment and why she squeezes the bird so hard (Okay, this is not super relevant).
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Had Linda asked for something else specific that we need to know? Something that one might squeeze? A stuffed animal? A stuffed bird? That is her reason for the disappointment?

Is she trying to put the bird down? Back in it's cage? Into something else? Onto the floor, table, some other object in the room?

She clenches her fist not out of anger, but... anxiety? Fear? Surprise? Does the bird do anything relevant? Excrement relevant?
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Had Linda asked for something else specific that we need to know? yes!! Something that one might squeeze? A stuffed animal? A stuffed bird? no to all That is her reason for the disappointment? yes!

Is she trying to put the bird down? Back in it's cage? Into something else? Onto the floor, table, some other object in the room? no to all

She clenches her fist not out of anger, but... anxiety? Fear? Surprise? no to all Does the bird do anything relevant? yes! Excrement relevant? yuk, no!
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Ok, does the bird... chirp? Move? Fly? Try to fly? Bite her (I'm thinking it's this one)? Appear dead? Flutter it's wings?

Is the thing she asked for... related to birds? A toy? A game? Bigger than a bread box? Man made or natural? Made of metal, wood, plastic, cloth? By the way, how old is Linda, LTPF list of ages...?

Is squeezing the bird the action she WOULD have taken with the present she wanted, if she had received it? (Longshot, I know)

Play-doh? Something malleable?
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Ok, does the bird... chirp? Move? Fly? Try to fly? Bite her (I'm thinking it's this one)? this one Appear dead? Flutter it's wings?

Is the thing she asked for... related to birds? no A toy? no A game? no Bigger than a bread box? yes Man made or natural? natural Made of metal, wood, plastic, cloth? none of these By the way, how old is Linda, LTPF list of ages...? hmm, I'd say 6 or 7

Is squeezing the bird the action she WOULD have taken with the present she wanted, if she had received it? (Longshot, I know) no

Play-doh? Something malleable? no to both

Okay, Linda squeezes the bird so hard because it bit her. Now the last missing detail is what she had wished for.
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Is what she asked for another animal?! Dog, cat, [LTPF list of animals]? Or is it an object? Alive or dead? Organic compound?

By the way I just asked a few questions on your non-solved as of yet disease puzzle...
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Is what she asked for another animal?! Dog this one, cat, [LTPF list of animals]? Or is it an object? Alive or dead? Organic compound?

Looks like you've found all the relevant information, so here's the

********SPOILER********
This puzzle is based on the short story "Links Unterm Christbaum" (On the left under the christmas tree). A little girl desperately wishes for a dog, but her family tells her that it's impossible for them to keep one. However, her grandpa tells her she'll get "something that is alive" for Christmas, and of course she's all excited.
The present turns out to be a little blue bird, hence the disappointment. Her grandfather places it on her hand and it suddenly bites her. She clenches her fist, and when she opens it, the bird is dead.


By the way, the story ends with the sentence "It's not easy to be a child and to know that you're someone who kills birds out of disappointment". When I first read it as a child, it made me cry, and I still can't read it without getting sad.
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That is sad. But a great puzzle.

Now I want to try and spoil two of your puzzles in one day! Let's give "New Flame" some new life!

Welcome to the LTPF board by the way!
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Hehe, you solved "New Flame" as well! Wow!

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