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Balin (Balin)
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I know many people, myself included, who have held a common football scrund. (American football, not soccer.) The scrund was cured in me when I was about 10 or 12, but my sister held it well into her teens, and I know of at least one person who had this scrund in college.

What is the scrund?
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Any of the following relevant:
Kickoff returns?
Punt returns?
Kickoffs?
Punts?
Field goals?
Relevant that a punt's distance is measured from the line of scrimmage but a field goal's is measured from the spot of the kick?
The whole coin toss thing where you actually choose to defer instead of kick relevant? Because the team that wins the toss has the option of receiving, kicking, choosing a side to defend, or deferring, and if they choose to kick, the other team would have the choice in the second half and would undoubtedly take the ball, so therefore you defer and the other team takes the ball and you get it in the second half? (For the record, this has always been the rule in college, but the NFL didn't make it this way until a couple years ago). Coin toss relevant at all? XFL coin toss (aka toss a coin and the players fight for it and whoever comes up with it wins the toss)? Or did they think the "coin toss" was like the XFL coin toss?
Would this scrund be applicable only in the NFL? Only in college? Could someone run into it in the Super Bowl? The regular NFL Season? An NCAA Bowl game? A UConn football game? A Michigan Football game at the Big House? An Elon football game? A Spackenkill High School-Sullivan West High School game on a rainy night in front of 100 people? A high school football game in Texas in front of 43,000 people? Is there any 11-on-11 football game where it would not apply? Poop Warner? Could it also apply to 8-on-8 when there aren't enough players?

Brad Pitt relevant? Am I relevant (with your puzzles, you never know)? Onsides kicks? Offsides kicks?
Balin (Balin)
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Any of the following relevant:
Kickoff returns?
Punt returns?
Kickoffs?
Punts?
Field goals? Sometimes, but rarely
Relevant that a punt's distance is measured from the line of scrimmage but a field goal's is measured from the spot of the kick?
The whole coin toss thing where you actually choose to defer instead of kick relevant? Because the team that wins the toss has the option of receiving, kicking, choosing a side to defend, or deferring, and if they choose to kick, the other team would have the choice in the second half and would undoubtedly take the ball, so therefore you defer and the other team takes the ball and you get it in the second half? (For the record, this has always been the rule in college, but the NFL didn't make it this way until a couple years ago). Coin toss relevant at all? XFL coin toss (aka toss a coin and the players fight for it and whoever comes up with it wins the toss)? Or did they think the "coin toss" was like the XFL coin toss?

Would this scrund be applicable only in the NFL? It applies here... Only in college? ...but also here. Could someone run into it in the Super Bowl? Yes The regular NFL Season? Yes An NCAA Bowl game? Yes A UConn football game? Depends A Michigan Football game at the Big House? Also depends An Elon football game? Also also depends A Spackenkill High School-Sullivan West High School game on a rainy night in front of 100 people? Not very likely A high school football game in Texas in front of 43,000 people? Possibly Is there any 11-on-11 football game where it would not apply? It applies to most NFL games, some college games, and few high school games. Poop Warner? Is there an extra O there, or is it just me? And no. Could it also apply to 8-on-8 when there aren't enough players?

Brad Pitt relevant? Am I relevant (with your puzzles, you never know)? Onsides kicks? Offsides kicks?

All unanswered are No.
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Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 1:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the scrund refer to one particular rule?
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Does it have to do with extra points? safeties? tees? scoring? downs? the red zone? penalties? (a) certain position(s)? Numbers on jerseys? Being in or out of bounds? Time outs? Passing? Rushing? Faked plays? Officials? The function of the hash marks? The chains? Substitutions? Tackling? Rushing the kicker? Turnovers? icing the kicker?

Does it have to do with the offense? defense? coaching staff? fans? players on the bench? players on the field? mascots? cheerleaders? The band? (obviously I'm stretching here =) )
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Also, is the 44-yards in the title relevant?
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Ha Ha Noel, excellent LTPF list of stuff associated with American Football.
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Fair catch relevant?
Balin (Balin)
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Does the scrund refer to one particular rule? Noish/Yope

Does it have to do with extra points? safeties? tees? scoring? downs? 95% of the time it's this the red zone? However it can also be involve this penalties? (a) certain position(s)? Numbers on jerseys? Being in or out of bounds? Time outs? Passing? Rushing? Faked plays? Officials? The function of the hash marks? The chains? Yope to this - No to rest Substitutions? Tackling? Rushing the kicker? Turnovers? icing the kicker?

Does it have to do with the offense? Yope defense? coaching staff? fans? players on the bench? players on the field? mascots? cheerleaders? The band? (obviously I'm stretching here =) ) None of the rest, but stretching will probably help you.

Also, is the 44-yards in the title relevant? No

Ha Ha Noel, excellent LTPF list of stuff associated with American Football. =)

Fair catch relevant? No
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Ooh, is stretching relevant?
Balin (Balin)
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Ooh, is stretching relevant? No, not in that sense (nice thought though)
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Is it anything to do with stopping the clock to reset the chains? I think they do stop the clock in college football but not in the NFL although I'm probably wrong on this.

If all that is wrong is the game clock relevant in any way?
Balin (Balin)
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Is it anything to do with stopping the clock to reset the chains? No I think they do stop the clock in college football but not in the NFL although I'm probably wrong on this. I think you're correct, but irrel to the puzzle

If all that is wrong is the game clock relevant in any way? No
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So it's not quite offense...is it special teams? The field goal unit?

Is any particular down relevant? 1st down? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? Field goals are usually kicked on 4th down, but they don't have to be. Relevant? Usually, teams try to get a 1st down for 3 plays and then kick it on 4th down, but they can go for it on 4th. Relevant?

In what way are the chains at all relevant: the fact that they are 10 yards? They way they are used to measure when it's close to a first down? Moving them on a first down?
Balin (Balin)
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So it's not quite offense...is it special teams? The field goal unit? My apologies, it is offense. See below

Is any particular down relevant? Mainly 1st down, but it works for all of them 1st down? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? Field goals are usually kicked on 4th down, but they don't have to be. Relevant? No Usually, teams try to get a 1st down for 3 plays and then kick it on 4th down, but they can go for it on 4th. Relevant? No

In what way are the chains at all relevant: the fact that they are 10 yards? Yope... They way they are used to measure when it's close to a first down? ...and Yope. Moving them on a first down? Not as relevant
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Does it have anything to do with where the first down is measured from (e.g. how they spot the ball? the fact that it doesn't have to be on an even yard line?)

ohhhh, wait, does it have to do with the colored line that runs across the field on the TV to show you the line of scrimmage and first down line? Did you think it was really on the field?
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Does it have anything to do with where the first down is measured from (e.g. how they spot the ball? the fact that it doesn't have to be on an even yard line?) See below

ohhhh, wait, does it have to do with the colored line that runs across the field on the TV to show you the line of scrimmage and first down line? Did you think it was really on the field? And she takes it in for the score!

**********SPOILER**********

Until I was about 10, I thought that those colored lines were actually on the field; in reality, they are of course only visible to TV viewers. My sister held this scrund into her teens, but the best story about this scrund comes from this past Sunday. While watching the Packers-Eagles game, I heard someone say that her roommate had asked, "How do they paint and unpaint those lines so quickly?" So clearly, this scrund is still out there.

Excellent work to Peter365, Gregoryuconn, and Noel, all of who had key plays on this 17-post touchdown drive.
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Those colored lines spoil us! I find it so hard to watch a live event in a stadium, now, because I constantly catch myself looking for the line, haha.

This puzzle makes me feel old. I still think of the yellow lines as a relatively new innovation. I remember when they started using them, and it was a very big deal. But Wikipedia tells me they started using them in fall of 1998. Wow, time flies. Nevertheless, I really had a lot of fun with this puzzle.
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've always been amazed at how intelligent the software is that adds those lines.

Not only does it adjust for camera rotation to orient them correctly relative to the projection of 3D space onto the camera, which is not that difficult, it can distinguish between the field itself and the players or other objects on the field, so that it can hide the line "behind" them, as a real painted line would be.
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 1:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree with Noel I thought the lines only came to our screens about 4 or 5 years ago but clearly I'm wrong. It's a brilliant visual aid in any case.

Nice puzzle Balin
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 2:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm still pretty sure that college football didn't start using them for at least another season or two, because I remember having several, repeated conversations along the lines of "gee, wouldn't it be nice if we had some of those lines like the NFL uses now." So when Balin was 10-ish and having his scrund cured, the lines were probably still brand-spanking new for college games.

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