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Nimue (Nimue)
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If Nila's parents were not small-town conservatives who interacted almost exclusively with other conservatives, they would not have realized that Nila was a lesbian. Anti-gay stereotypes are not involved. How come?
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Nila - a child? A teenager? An adult?

So her parents did realize she was a lesbian, correct? Is school relevant? Religious beliefs? Political beliefs?
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Did Nila grow up with her parents? In a small town?
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Did they notice her interacting with lesbians?
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Did they realize Nila is lesbian entirely by themselves or was it suggested by someone else? They realized it because of something that happened? Or because of something that has been said?
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Nila - a child? noA teenager? possibly An adult? possibly

So her parents did realize she was a lesbian, correct? yes Is school relevant? no Religious beliefs? no Political beliefs? yope or noish
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Did Nila grow up with her parents? yesIn a small town? yes
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Did they notice her interacting with lesbians? no
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Did they realize Nila is lesbian entirely by themselves or was it suggested by someone else? the former They realized it because of something that happened? yes Or because of something that has been said?yope
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Does Nila still live with her parents?
This something that happened - did it happen in their small town? Did it happen to Nila? Her parents?
Occupation relevant? Laws? Elections? Political parties?
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Does Nila have a partner? If so, is her partner relevant?
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Does Nila still live with her parents? no
This something that happened - did it happen in their small town? noDid it happen to Nila? yesHer parents? yes
Occupation relevant? Laws? Elections? Political parties? all irrel
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Does Nila have a partner? irrelIf so, is her partner relevant? no
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Did Nila move out from her parents before the incident? or after it? Did conservative views of Nila's parents change after incident?
Which features of small towns are relevant to the puzzle: people know each other? narrower opportunities of education and work? special mentality? conservativeness? other?
The incident happened: on holidays? on shopping excursion? while parents visited Nila at school in the other city?
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Is marriage relevant? The fact that in some conservative, small towns, girls tend to get married very young?
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Ooh, she sounds like Dick Cheney's daughter? Is she?
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Did Nila move out from her parents before the incident? yesor after it? noDid conservative views of Nila's parents change after incident? irrel
Which features of small towns are relevant to the puzzle: people know each other? no narrower opportunities of education and work? noish but you're ORTspecial mentality? yope conservativeness? yesother?{noish
The incident happened: on holidays? possibly on shopping excursion? no while parents visited Nila at school in the other city? Yes. GOOOD question, except that Nila could be a working adult; she need not be a student
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Is marriage relevant? noThe fact that in some conservative, small towns, girls tend to get married very young? no
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Ooh, she sounds like Dick Cheney's daughter? no Is she? She's a woman I used to know
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The person who revealed Nila's homosexuality to the parents - someone Nila knew? Another lesbian? A friend of the parents?
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Did they see something at Nila's home that suggested her homosexuality to them?
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The person who revealed Nila's homosexuality to the parents - someone Nila knew? false assumption Another lesbian? no A friend of the parents? no
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Did they see something at Nila's home that suggested her homosexuality to them? yes
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Is the "something" typically related to sexuality? Is it something uncommon to a typical small-town conservative home?
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Is Nila living alone? Or does she have a flatmate? Relevant?
The "something" the parents saw was a belonging of Nila or of somebody else?
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When they saw the "something", did they know what it was? Or did they have to ask Nila to explain it to them? Or did they have to ask someone else to explain it to them?
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Is the "something" typically related to sexuality? noish or yope Is it something uncommon to a typical small-town conservative home? yes
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Is Nila living alone?irrel Or does she have a flatmate? Relevant?
The "something" the parents saw was a belonging of Nila yesor of somebody else? no
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When they saw the "something", did they know what it was? yes Or did they have to ask Nila to explain it to them? noOr did they have to ask someone else to explain it to them? no
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was the "something" a drawing? a graphic? a photograph? an object? written?
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Did Nila's parents have different conotations with the "something" because they were conservative, than if they were liberal? If Nila's parents were liberal, would they consider the "something" as normal? Would the liberal parents think their daughter is lesbian, if they knew she posessed the "something"?
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was the "something" a drawing?\[possibly} a graphic? ditto a photograph? ditto an object? see other answers written? it definitely included writing
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Did Nila's parents have different conotations with the "something" because they were conservative, than if they were liberal? yesish or yope If Nila's parents were liberal, would they consider the "something" as normal? yes Would the liberal parents think their daughter is lesbian, if they knew she posessed the "something"? no
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Are political parties relevant? Was the "something" a political brochure or other promotional item of the democratic party?
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Did "something" prove directly that Nila's a lesbian? Or it was rather an object connected by her parents with homosexualism, while the object itself didn't have such reference?
Is the whole situation based on prejudices/stereotypes?
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Are political parties relevant? no Was the "something" a political brochure or other promotional item of the democratic party? no
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Did "something" prove directly that Nila's a lesbian? no Or it was rather an object connected by her parents with homosexualism, while the object itself didn't have such reference? no
Is the whole situation based on prejudices/stereotypes Prejudices, no; stereotypes, yesish
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The object included writing - was it handwriting? or computer writing?
Nila's parents realized that she's lesbian because of the object itself? or because of the writing?
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The object included writing - was it handwriting? probably not or computer writing?please clarify
Nila's parents realized that she's lesbian because of the object itself? or because of the writing? the writing was part of the object
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Is it a book? A brochure? Something that Nila bought? That she got somewhere? Something that she made herself?

Would the puzzle work with a gay son?
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Could the object be used the same way without writing (I mean for example a clothing with some writing on it is still a good clothing without a writing, but the book without writing is useless)?
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Is it a book?no A brochure? noSomething that Nila bought? yes That she got somewhere? yesSomething that she made herself? no

Would the puzzle work with a gay son? yes
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Could the object be used the same way without writing (I mean for example a clothing with some writing on it is still a good clothing without a writing, but the book without writing is useless)? no or noish
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Is it a t-shirt? a magazine? a newspaper? a poster?
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Is it a t-shirt? a magazine? a newspaper? a poster?a poster
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was it a poster of a nude woman?

was it a poster that advertised some event? a gay march? like gay pride? and the parents thought only gay people would go on a gay march? but more liberal people would know that many heterosexuals march as well in support of gay rights?

is the issue of gay rights relevant here? did the poster relate in some way to gay rights?

is the poster advertising a film? an art show? something that the parents consider only a gay person would be interested in?
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was it a poster of a nude woman? no

was it a poster that advertised some event? yesa gay march? yeslike gay pride? yes and the parents thought only gay people would go on a gay march? yesbut more liberal people would know that many heterosexuals march as well in support of gay rights? yes

is the issue of gay rights relevant here? yes did the poster relate in some way to gay rights? yes

is the poster advertising a film? no an art show? no something that the parents consider only a gay person would be interested in? yes--see above

********* SPOILER *****************
Another triumph for clever Hannah!! Nola, who is a real person, is a politically active open lesbian who was in the closet only with respect to her conservative, small-town parents. Since they lived far away & this was before the Internet, she figured they would not find out. When they came to visit, she removed all the gay rights posters from her home--except one, which she overlooked. When the real Nola told me this was how her parents found out, I was bewildered. My parents would never think that having a gay rights poster meant that someone was gay! Please see my new puzzle!

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