| Author | Message | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2663 Registered: 9-2010 |
She thought they couldn't possibly understand, so she did her best to explain. In the end, they explained it to her. | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 696 Registered: 2-2007 |
Huh. Where to begin? "Their" identities relevant? Did "she" understand? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2664 Registered: 9-2010 |
Huh. Where to begin? Well, you're the first one to respond, so the beginning's an excellent place to start. *grin* "Their" identities relevant? Not separately, but collectively. Did "she" understand? She thought she did...until they changed her perspective on it. | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 698 Registered: 2-2007 |
Do they have expertise of some sort in what she was trying to explain? Did they already know her situation? They = all of the same profession? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2666 Registered: 9-2010 |
Do they have expertise of some sort in what she was trying to explain? Yesish Did they already know her situation? No They = all of the same profession? No, FA | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 373 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is she you, Kaylee kitteh, in disguise? Is she H/A/F? Are they H/A/M? F? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2668 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is she you, Kaylee kitteh, in disguise? iz nawt mee. happeneded befoar kaylee kitteh was born. Is she H/A/F? yes Are they H/A/M? F? mostly HAMs are mentioned, though at least one HAF is mentioned in passing and judging by the context, the HAFs may actually outnumber the HAMs. The precise number of "they" is irrelevant, though. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 375 Registered: 12-2010 |
True story? Did it happen in [LTPF list of centuries], [LTPF list of continents]? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2669 Registered: 9-2010 |
True story? it is presented as one, and I have no reason to disbelieve its veracity Did it happen in [LTPF list of centuries], the article was published in 1966 [LTPF list of continents]? Africa | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4496 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it an anthropologist explaining the meaning of a tribe's customs to members of the tribe? Like: "Honored Chief, I'm guessing that you sit while greeting newcomers as a sign of your authority and confidence?" "No, it's because I have a hangover and don't want to stand up." | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2670 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was it an anthropologist Yes! explaining the meaning of a tribe's Yesish... customs to members of the tribe? But not explaining the customs of *their* tribe back to them. Like: "Honored Chief, I'm guessing that you sit while greeting newcomers as a sign of your authority and confidence?" No, she wasn't speaking of the tribe's customs that she was *visiting*... "No, it's because I have a hangover and don't want to stand up." ...however, *they* replied in this vein, so though this example isn't right, it's OTRT. RECAP with hints: An anthropologist visiting an African tribe was attempting to explain about something they had no prior knowledge of. Using the knowledge of their own customs, they explained the "correct" interpretation back to her. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4497 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was she discussing a custom of her own culture? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11079 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were people drunk? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 382 Registered: 12-2010 |
Metaphysical stuff relevant? God? The soul? Afterlife? Families relevant? Marriage? Having children? Food relevant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2671 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was she discussing a custom of her own culture? A bit, yeah. She was discussing a work of literature famous in Western culture, and that did enter into it, quite a lot... Were people drunk? Tipsy at the very least. They did like to drink a lot of beer... Metaphysical stuff relevant? God? The soul? Afterlife? Extremely relevant. Families relevant? Yes Marriage? Yes Having children? Yope Food relevant? Only inasmuch as it related to the story she was trying to explain, so not much. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11103 Registered: 4-2010 |
Work of literature - fiction? Nonfiction? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2678 Registered: 9-2010 |
Work of literature - fiction? This Nonfiction? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2287 Registered: 7-2009 |
Since this is a Kaylee puzzle, was the work of literature Harry Potter? Tolkien? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2682 Registered: 9-2010 |
Since this is a Kaylee puzzle, =) was the work of literature Harry Potter? Tolkien? Neither; there's such a thing as being too predictable =P It's older than both of them put together, several times over. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11108 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the work from [LTPF list of centuries]? Was it originally written in English? German? French? Greek? Something else? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2683 Registered: 9-2010 |
However, you've got the correct country of origin, Noel! :-D | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2684 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the work from [LTPF list of centuries]early 17th, if memory serves? Was it originally written in English? this German? French? Greek? Something else? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 562 Registered: 2-2009 |
Written by a certain Mr. Will S? Kit Marlowe? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2687 Registered: 9-2010 |
Written by a certain Mr. Will S? very much so Kit Marlowe? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11114 Registered: 4-2010 |
So...was this play of his a tragedy? Comedy? History? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2689 Registered: 9-2010 |
So...was this play of his a tragedy? this oneComedy? History? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 563 Registered: 2-2009 |
Hmm... Hamlet? Othello? Lear? the Scottish play? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11118 Registered: 4-2010 |
Romeo and Juliet? Hamlet? Othello? (Those are the only one's I've read) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2690 Registered: 9-2010 |
Romeo and Juliet? Hamlet? This Othello? (Those are the only one's I've read)You should read "Macbeth", too. Just don't say the name in a theatre. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11119 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ah yes, I've read Mac...er, the Scottish play as well. And of course that should be "ones" not "one's" - sorry for my bad pizza-induced grammar. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11120 Registered: 4-2010 |
Any of the other characters in "Hamlet" relevant? Relevant that the story is set in Denmark? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2691 Registered: 9-2010 |
Ah yes, I've read Mac...er, the Scottish play as well. And of course that should be "ones" not "one's" - sorry for my bad pizza-induced grammar.I have to wait another hour before I can even order pizza. *sigh* Glad you've read the Scottish play, though it's no use here. Focus on the Danish play, instead :-D | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2692 Registered: 9-2010 |
Any of the other characters in "Hamlet" relevant? Pretty much all the main charactersRelevant that the story is set in Denmark? not really, other than that Denmark, and England, have different customs than the African tribe. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 564 Registered: 2-2009 |
::pokes Kaylee:: I askeded first ::pouts:: Relevant parts (that co: "To be or not to be" speech? "The Mousetrap"? When Hamlet thinks his uncle is confessing and doesn't want to kill him b/c he'll die without his sins on him? Ophelia crazy? Ophelia's death? the graveyard scene? poor Yorick? the fight btwn Laertes and Hamlet? the whole last scene (dead bodies a'plenty)? Rosencrantz and Guildenstern? old Hamlet's ghost? Horatio? (knows far too much about this play) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11122 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hamlet's play relevant? Any of the deaths? All of them? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11124 Registered: 4-2010 |
*pokes Kalira* You like to poke people, don't you? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2694 Registered: 9-2010 |
::pokes Kaylee:: I askeded first ::pouts::sorry, you must have crossposted with Balin and I missed it! Relevant parts (that co: "To be or not to be" speech? she couldn't think of a way to explain the soliloquy, and skipped it "The Mousetrap"? elaborate? it's been a while since I actually read Hamlet, but this phrase wasn't brought up. If it's the play-within-a-play, yes, relevant When Hamlet thinks his uncle is confessing and doesn't want to kill him b/c he'll die without his sins on him? GOOD question! She passed this over, because the Tiv have no concept of souls or afterlife, and would totally not have gotten that Ophelia crazy? yes Ophelia's death? yes the graveyard scene? some poor Yorick? no the fight btwn Laertes and Hamlet? the whole last scene (dead bodies a'plenty)? Yes and yes Rosencrantz and Guildenstern? yes old Hamlet's ghost? yes...the tribe called it an "omen" sent by a witch, as they do not understand ghosts Horatio? yes, he's the scholar, right? unfortunately, her translation of "one who knows things" also meant "witch"... (knows far too much about this play) no, that's good! you're doing well :-) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2695 Registered: 9-2010 |
Hamlet's play relevant? Any of the deaths? All of them? Yes to all *pokes Kalira* You like to poke people, don't you? apparently she does...*pokes Kalira too* | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 565 Registered: 2-2009 |
yep. ;-) you've got it easy... when I first got here, someone tried to throw a bucket of spoiled milk on me (or something akin to that... it's in the chat) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2696 Registered: 9-2010 |
yep. ;-) you've got it easy... when I first got here, someone tried to throw a bucket of spoiled milk on me (or something akin to that... it's in the chat)well...how rude...*hugs Kalira* | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11125 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they interpret the play as per their beliefs? Kalira - don't you mean a bucket of $poyled milk? =) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2697 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did they interpret the play as per their beliefs? YES!!!! Kalira - don't you mean a bucket of $poyled milk? =)Yeah, Kalira... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11127 Registered: 4-2010 |
So they interpreted Hamlet as per their religion? Do we need to find any specifics? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2699 Registered: 9-2010 |
So they interpreted Hamlet as per their religion? Do we need to find any specifics? for the puzzle statement, this is probably enough, although if you'd like to try, I'll let this puzzle stay open. Although "religion" may not be the right word...I think the point was that they had no understanding of religion...at least, not as we understand it. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 566 Registered: 2-2009 |
Nope, looked it up -- it was definitely spoiled, not $poyled ;-) And yes, "The Mousetrap" is the play within the play. Did you want us to figure out how they interpreted it? or who she was? anything else? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2701 Registered: 9-2010 |
Nope, looked it up -- it was definitely spoiled, not $poyled ;-) And yes, "The Mousetrap" is the play within the play. which she explained to them as being a story told by a storyteller, as they did not understand "plays" Did you want us to figure out how they interpreted it? this or who she was? and this anything else? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11128 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they interpret it as a moral lesson? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2702 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did they interpret it as a moral lesson? you could phrase it that way, I suppose, they certainly applied their own morals to it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11131 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they interpret the deaths in any particular manner? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2703 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did they interpret the deaths in any particular manner? oh yes, definitely...keep exploring | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11133 Registered: 4-2010 |
Revenge relevant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2704 Registered: 9-2010 |
Revenge relevant? hmm...they believed that the revenge was immoral; Hamlet should not kill the man who had married his mother, and so was now his father, he should tell his "father" Claudius' age-mates so they could avenge the elder Hamlet. But they ended up excusing Hamlet for his later murders of Polonius and Claudius, for an interesting reason... | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 567 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is this just one big "lost in translation" kind of thing where they don't interpret anything the way she expects them to? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2708 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is this just one big "lost in translation" kind of thing where they don't interpret anything the way she expects them to? *grins* Oh, VERY much so!!! I'm wondering if you can pin down who she is, and what the relevant article is... | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 568 Registered: 2-2009 |
If we can use the magic of Google, probably... afraid I don't know any female anthropologists in Africa in the 1960s off the top of my head. :-) Can haz permishin? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2710 Registered: 9-2010 |
If we can use the magic of Google, probably... afraid I don't know any female anthropologists in Africa in the 1960s off the top of my head. :-) Can haz permishin? as is usual in kaylee puzzles, googlepedia is your friend. Remember, I gave you the name of the tribe...that should help a LOT. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11141 Registered: 4-2010 |
Laura Bohannon? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2715 Registered: 9-2010 |
Laura Bohannon? yes indeed, and so the article's name is... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11143 Registered: 4-2010 |
"Shakespeare in the Bush"? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2717 Registered: 9-2010 |
"Shakespeare in the Bush"? exactly and precisely so: most excellently well done, all! ***SPOILER*** Here it is. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 703 Registered: 9-2008 |
Great article! Thanks for sharing it. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4515 Registered: 5-2003 |
Oh, my God, that's hilarious! Great story. I wonder if she ever told them more stories; I'm itching to read another one from the tribe's perspective. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2749 Registered: 9-2010 |
You're welcome, Kaygee! And I only wish I knew, Jenburdoo. I'd love to read more, too. :-) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2295 Registered: 7-2009 |
I enjoyed the article. Thanks! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2787 Registered: 9-2010 |
Welcome, Noel! It's fascinating, isn't it? |
