| Author | Message | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2010 |
He told us it was impossible, and we proved him wrong. Kaylee may or may not already know the answer, so she must contact me before posting possible $poylers. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2726 Registered: 9-2010 |
He = H/A/M? Real? Fictional? Us = We? H/A/Ms? H/A/Fs? Mixture? 2? More? (Is it you and me, Tortiesibling? Right now, I'm a very confused kaylee kitteh) | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 852 Registered: 8-2010 |
He = him? If not, same questions for him as for he. It = a goal? action? object? idea? Is "us" you and Kaylee? (I'm not sure if this is what Kaylee meant.) Is "he" related to "us"? If so, father? grandfather? uncle? cousin? brother? (Do you have a brother?) son? grandson? nephew? boyfriend? (of course, whether this qualifies as "related" doyd) husband? If not, friend? boss? acquaintance? enemy? frenemy? rival? teacher? God? stranger? other? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2729 Registered: 9-2010 |
Yeah, that's what I meant Whirligig, and no, we don't have a brother. :-) | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 159 Registered: 11-2010 |
He = H/A/M? yes to all Real? yesFictional? so no Us = We? yes H/A/Ms? H/A/Fs? adult as in >18 years Mixture? this 2? More? this (Is it you and me, Tortiesibling? Right now, I'm a very confused kaylee kitteh) nope, you are irrelevant He = him? yes If not, same questions for him as for he. It = a goal? this action? and this, as our goal was to do something object? idea? Is "us" you and Kaylee? (I'm not sure if this is what Kaylee meant.) nope Is "he" related to "us"? no If so, father? grandfather? uncle? cousin? brother? (Do you have a brother?) son? grandson? nephew? boyfriend? (of course, whether this qualifies as "related" doyd) husband? If not, friend? boss? acquaintance? enemy? frenemy? rival? teacher? God? stranger? more this other? person selling what we were buying | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2734 Registered: 9-2010 |
Why I is irrelevant? ;_; :-( *sniff* Conventions relevant? Fanime? Comic-Con? CostumeCon? YaoiCon? Something else? Us/We = tortiesibling and zalasibling? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 160 Registered: 11-2010 |
Why I is irrelevant? ;_; :-( *sniff* because you weren't there, and weren't involved Conventions relevant? Fanime? Comic-Con? CostumeCon? YaoiCon? none of the above Something else? so this Us/We = tortiesibling and zalasibling? nope | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 161 Registered: 11-2010 |
BLOOPER! Zala is technically part of the us/we as much as I am, but we are not all of it | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 859 Registered: 8-2010 |
Zalasibling? Is another Nield about to show up on these forums? Us/We = you (Tortie) and someone else? you and more than one other person? Are you even involved? Selling: food? clothing? jewelry? perfume? beauty-related? Does having this product help you in any practical way? Is it aesthetic?} | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2735 Registered: 9-2010 |
Actually Zala's not really our sister, she just comes to our house and eats our food. :-) | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 163 Registered: 11-2010 |
Zalasibling? Is another Nield about to show up on these forums? nope, a friend whom lizzie/kaylee now thinks of as a sister Us/We = you (Tortie) and someone else? you and more than one other person? yes Are you even involved? I am part of the we/us, but I was not there when the "he" was involved, but when he told us this, he directed it at the group as a whole, including those not present. Selling: food? could be thought of as such, but not for the purposes of why we were buying clothing? jewelry? perfume? beauty-related? Does having this product help you in any practical way? hmmm...it could be practical, if you can afford to keep it Is it aesthetic? no | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2737 Registered: 9-2010 |
Australian White, sibling? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 164 Registered: 11-2010 |
Australian White, sibling? I may be white, but last time I checked, I am not an aussie (darn). Title not relevant to answer, just relevant to the story in a couple of ways, it will make sense when the puzzle is $poyled | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2739 Registered: 9-2010 |
why iz nawt aussie? o yez becauz i iz nawt eder =P kay enough with the kitteh for now :-) is the HAM Robert? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 165 Registered: 11-2010 |
why iz nawt aussie? o yez becauz i iz nawt eder =P this doesn't deserve an answer kay enough with the kitteh for now :-) good is the HAM Robert? nope, this took place before I met him | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 861 Registered: 8-2010 |
Of course, now I'm wondering who Robert is. Your questions make me too curious! :P So a HAM was trying to sell you something and told you that a certain action/goal would be impossible, and you proved him wrong? By doing the action? Or simply proving its possibility? Date/time relevant? Is the action related to the sold item? Does it involve using said item? Is it using the item for a specific purpose? To a certain extent? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2740 Registered: 9-2010 |
Robert is a friend of the tortiesibling. Friend, right? =P | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11172 Registered: 4-2010 |
Kaylee/Tortie: With the way things are going, your descendants will only have to come here to find out everything about their ancestry! =) | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2010 |
Of course, now I'm wondering who Robert is. Your questions make me too curious! :P a good friend of mine So a HAM was trying to sell you something and told you that a certain action/goal would be impossible, and you proved him wrong? how to answer...We wanted to buy one *specific* thing, but he wanted to sell us something *slightly* different saying that what we wanted to buy wouldn't give us the results we wanted. In reality what he wanted to sell us wouldn't work to get the results in the manner we wished to go about it. By doing the action? Or simply proving its possibility? By proving it was possible to do with what we wished to purchase. The "action" (really a result) was achievable with what he wished to sell us. Date/time relevant? nope, although random factoid, it would have worked better in the Spring rather than the Winter when we did it (if I remember correctly) Is the action related to the sold item? yes Does it involve using said item? the "action" is a specific thing that we were able to get the "item" to do Is it using the item for a specific purpose? To a certain extent? RECAP: To try and help clarify the answers I have given. A big group of people (mixed genders, most with ages about the same) that includes me and a friend of mine, were trying to achieve a specific goal. The goal was to make a specific type of *item* do something that would normally not be possible (for that type of *item*). (Quick note, there were actually multiple items involved, but only because this helped us compare the results of the experiment. For the purpose of the puzzle, we'll stick to a singular *item*.)The HAM "knew" that this would not be possible and tried to sell us something slightly different from what we wanted, this other item would have done the same thing, but it would defeat the purpose of the experiment. In the end, the experiment worked (as we knew it would since it had been done before), and we got the desired results from the *item* we originally wanted. Thus proving the HAM wrong. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11176 Registered: 4-2010 |
The "item" - did it require electricity? Manpower? Was it edible? Solid? Liquid? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 169 Registered: 11-2010 |
The "item" - did it require electricity? nope Manpower? nope Was it edible? can be, but not why we wanted it Solid? mostly Liquid? parts have liquid, and gas as well before it's asked I think that you guys are making a big FA | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11180 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the "item" something like a car? Was it a car itself? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 170 Registered: 11-2010 |
Was the "item" something like a car? Was it a car itself? nothing like a car, by gas I meant things like oxygen, carbon dioxide, methane, and some others The FA is about the item itself | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11183 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the "item" natural? Manmade? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 171 Registered: 11-2010 |
Is the "item" natural? yes Manmade? short answer, no. long answer involves questioning if "breeding" for specific traits count's as "manmade" | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11187 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the "item" an animal? A kitteh? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2741 Registered: 9-2010 |
a cheezburger? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2742 Registered: 9-2010 |
a mouse? for kitteh? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 172 Registered: 11-2010 |
Is the "item" an animal? it is! A kitteh? it is not a cheezburger? ...ummm...it could be...but it is usually not the purpose of this specific type of animal, nor the purpose of the experiment a mouse? no for kitteh? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11191 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the animal often found as a pet? On a farm? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 174 Registered: 11-2010 |
Is the animal often found as a pet? On a farm? this | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2743 Registered: 9-2010 |
iz cow? cows with guns? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11195 Registered: 4-2010 |
I just got Tom Lehrer stuck in my head, now Dana Lyons?!? *dum-da-dum-da-da-dum-da-da-da-DUM-DUM, dum-da-da-...* OK, I've gotta stop that. | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 175 Registered: 11-2010 |
iz cow? yup yup, tis a cow cows with guns? luckily no, though I am listening to that song and this one now | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2010 |
Now, what was the *specific* type (careful of FAs) of "cow" (I will now start using the proper term "cattle" instead so as not to promote further confusion later) we wanted, what did the HAM want to sell us (at the auction yard) instead, and what did we want to do with our cattle? Why would his cattle not have worked for our purposes? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2745 Registered: 9-2010 |
was this an experiment from your days at Davis? A class project? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 177 Registered: 11-2010 |
was this an experiment from your days at Davis? A class project? yes to both I couldn't remember if I had told you about the project, and I didn't want you to just remember it. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2746 Registered: 9-2010 |
well if you did, I am drawing a blank, sibling. Is the HAM the professor? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 178 Registered: 11-2010 |
well if you did, I am drawing a blank, sibling. Is the HAM the professor? nope, the professor is the Australian which is the inspiration for the title. The full title would be Australian White Cow, which is a breed of cattle. Although not the one from this project | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2747 Registered: 9-2010 |
oh yes, I remember this professor of yours, you liked his accent :-D Though I STILL do not remember this particular project... ...sadly, I remember the sheep one, but that's completely irrelevant... | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 180 Registered: 11-2010 |
oh yes, I remember this professor of yours, you liked his accent :-D he was a good professor Though I STILL do not remember this particular project... good ...sadly, I remember the sheep one, but that's completely irrelevant...very irrelevant | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11206 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were you trying to milk the cow? Ride it? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 182 Registered: 11-2010 |
Were you trying to milk the cow? we were trying to milk it, but as I said, it's not a cow by proper definition, that's why I said it was cattle. Ride it? nope, but we did halter train it | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2761 Registered: 9-2010 |
calf? heifer? bull? steer? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 183 Registered: 11-2010 |
calf? heifer? this is what we wanted, and got bull? steer? a cow is what he wanted to sell us now why didn't he think that we could get milk from the heifers? and how did we accomplish our goal (aka: prove him wrong)? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2764 Registered: 9-2010 |
he thought they were too young? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 184 Registered: 11-2010 |
he thought they were too young? nope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11291 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think it was possible to get milk from any heifers? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 186 Registered: 11-2010 |
Did he think it was possible to get milk from any heifers? nope, he thought it was impossible to get milk from any heifers, and the ones that we wanted would be even more impossible based on his knowledge | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11308 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were your heifers male? And he thought it was impossible to get milk from male cattle? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2837 Registered: 9-2010 |
Heifers by definition can't be male, Balin =P A heifer is a young cow before she has had her first calf. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2838 Registered: 9-2010 |
Going by that...(are they still heifers when they're pregnant with the first one, sibling?) is that why he thought getting milk from them was impossible? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2010 |
Were your heifers male? And he thought it was impossible to get milk from male cattle? no, but they may as well have been, so OTRT Going by that...(are they still heifers when they're pregnant with the first one, sibling? I don't think so, but I could be wrong, and it's irrelevant) is that why he thought getting milk from them was impossible? no, they were not pregnant and heifers | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11321 Registered: 4-2010 |
Well, I have no knowledge of cattle or heifers or whatnot. Maybe that's still no excuse, but oh well. | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 188 Registered: 11-2010 |
Well, I have no knowledge of cattle or heifers or whatnot. Maybe that's still no excuse, but oh well. that is understandable, I'll give you a hint...why would a heifer (one that hasn't had a calf) not be able to become a cow? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11416 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do heifers not have the appropriate milk-giving parts? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2010 |
Do heifers not have the appropriate milk-giving parts? They do have udders, they're just usually not developed to give milk when they are at the heifer stage. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11423 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think that heifers didn't have udders? Or that their udders were incapable of producing milk? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 190 Registered: 11-2010 |
Did he think that heifers didn't have udders? nope Or that their udders were incapable of producing milk? yes, the question is why they would not normally produce milk | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11426 Registered: 4-2010 |
Because of their size? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2010 |
Because of their size? nope, OTRT | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 192 Registered: 11-2010 |
TYPO!!! I meant OTWT Balin, the udders were small, because they were undeveloped. Why were they undeveloped? and what would be a reason that under normal circumstances they never would develop enough to produce milk? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11435 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they neutered? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 193 Registered: 11-2010 |
Were they neutered? ummm...by definition that would only work if they were male. However, your mind is in the right place. The heifers were indeed sterile. Without being able to get pregnant, milk would not be needed to feed a calf, so the heifers should not have been able to lactate (produce milk) as the man believed. One last question to answer now, is how did we prove him wrong, and get our heifers to produce milk? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2935 Registered: 9-2010 |
Massage their udders? feed them special vitamins? IVF treatments? I don't know... | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2010 |
Massage their udders? feed them special vitamins? ummm...no to both IVF treatments? while that may have worked, I'll give you guys a clue, the class was 10 weeks long, and we had them producing milk for at least 4 of them I don't know...obviously | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11464 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you somehow get them pregnant? Give the heifers something to simulate pregnancy? | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 196 Registered: 11-2010 |
Did you somehow get them pregnant? nope, a full term pregnancy would have been too long anyway Give the heifers something to simulate pregnancy? yes, depending on your definition of "simulate" and now I think it's time for the In my lactation class at Davis we had a whole class project where we purchased some sterile heifers with the intent to make them produce milk. When a group of representatives went to make the purchase at a stockyard, the man there tried to discourage us from buying cattle that would never produce milk, according to him (and others would think this too). The purchase was made anyway, and the heifers were brought in to a barn on campus that we spruced up for the project. For about a week we injected the heifers with hormones that basically simulated pregnancy, without any actual calf. The added effect was that they helped develop the mammary gland and tissue. The last injection was of the hormone that would naturally spike during parturition (aka: birthing). This induced lactation and we were able to milk the heifers normally. There yield was definitely much smaller than a "normal" cow, but we still proved the man at the stockyard wrong. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2940 Registered: 9-2010 |
hurrah, sibling! excellent puzzle :-) BTW, I would never have gotten it just by knowing about it, I don't remember this one at all, lol |
