| Author | Message | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1041 Registered: 5-2009 |
As it appeared on the screen, it looked like an incredible success. But then... how could the journalists have known? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12353 Registered: 4-2010 |
Screen - a movie screen? TV screen? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1044 Registered: 5-2009 |
Screen - a movie screen? TV screen? No to both. However, it might work with a TV screen. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 169 Registered: 2-2011 |
a computer screen? a powerpoint presentation? journalists - was this a press conference? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1045 Registered: 5-2009 |
a computer screen? Yes. a powerpoint presentation? No. journalists - was this a press conference? No, although there surely were press conferences about all the relevant stuff. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 611 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was it really a success? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1564 Registered: 6-2008 |
It appeared (on the screen): as an image? as text? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 175 Registered: 2-2011 |
was what appeared on the screen an on-line newspaper or report? was "it" an event? a party? a show? a business venture? a campaign? a revolution? a rescue? did "it" involve animals? people? money? show business? education? the military? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1048 Registered: 5-2009 |
Was it really a success? Well, there was a kind of success, but surely nothing of the sort it looked like. It appeared (on the screen): as an image? as text? This. was what appeared on the screen an on-line newspaper or report? Yes, part of it. was "it" an event? Yes for svv of "event" (but what isn't an event then?) a party? a show? a business venture? a campaign? a revolution? a rescue? No to rest. did "it" involve animals? people? This. money? show business? education? the military? No to rest. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 179 Registered: 2-2011 |
sport? a competition? dance? fundraiser? race? averting a disaster? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1049 Registered: 5-2009 |
sport? a competition? Noish. dance? fundraiser? race? averting a disaster? No to the rest. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 198 Registered: 2-2011 |
sport? a match? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 623 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was it a computer program? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1053 Registered: 5-2009 |
sport? a match? No. Was it a computer program? No, although what appeared on the screen was the output of a computer program. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 664 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was it intended to be a revolutionary invention? A famous artwork? A useful tool? Was it created for money? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1058 Registered: 5-2009 |
Was it intended to be a revolutionary invention? No. It looked like something which would include the result of any good revolution, and even more. A famous artwork? A useful tool? It looked like sooooooooo much more.... Was it created for money? In fact, it was. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 698 Registered: 1-2011 |
Just a shot, ispired by "results of any good revolution": WikiLeaks involved? | ||
| Fishbones (Fishbones)
New member Username: Fishbones Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2011 |
Was it the result of computer programming? A technological advancement? Was is something the computer generated on its own? Are the journalists responsible for "it" or merely witnesses? Is another group of people responsible for creating it? Are their careers important? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1060 Registered: 5-2009 |
Just a shot, ispired by "results of any good revolution": WikiLeaks involved? No, it happened before Wikileaks existed. Was it the result of computer programming? Yope. A technological advancement? No. Was is something the computer generated on its own? Yope. The computer simply processed input. Are the journalists responsible for "it" or merely witnesses? The journalists are responsible for the input. Is another group of people responsible for creating it? Are their careers important? No. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 361 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the journalists' input inaccurate? did they believe it to be accurate? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1061 Registered: 5-2009 |
was the journalists' input inaccurate? No. did they believe it to be accurate? Yes, and they were right. | ||
| Fishbones (Fishbones)
New member Username: Fishbones Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2011 |
Did "it" involve statistical information about people? Actions people took? A specific group of people? A study group performed on people - a medical study? The effect something had on people? The effect people had on something else? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1062 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did "it" involve statistical information about people? b{No.} Actions people took? Yes - in a sense. A specific group of people? No. One specific person - in a sense. A study group performed on people - a medical study? No. The effect something had on people? Yes - in a sense and (especially) another sense. The effect people had on something else? Yes - in another sense. | ||
| Fishbones (Fishbones)
New member Username: Fishbones Post Number: 11 Registered: 3-2011 |
Is the identity of the one specific person relevant? HAM/HAF? Famous person? FOYI? Were the results that appeared on the screen from the journalists inputing criteria into an internet search? The "something else," an animal? A piece of technology? The environment? Is the setting of the initial event relevant? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1067 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the identity of the one specific person relevant? Yes. HAM/HAF? Yes. Famous person? Yes. FOYI? No, I really, really saw it on the screen. Were the results that appeared on the screen from the journalists inputing criteria into an internet search? Not into a search, but... The "something else," an animal? A piece of technology? The environment? No to all. Is the setting of the initial event relevant? Yes, of course. (Are there puzzles without a relevant setting?) | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1070 Registered: 5-2009 |
Hint: One of the relevant events is a (very special) election. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3582 Registered: 9-2010 |
US Presidential election? If so: 2008? 2004? 2000? Earlier? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1072 Registered: 5-2009 |
US Presidential election? No, much, much more special. A US Presidential election is a general one, isn't it? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3584 Registered: 9-2010 |
Oh yeah, of course. A recall election? The one for the governor of California, when we got rid of Gray Davis and put in the Governator? *cough* | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2552 Registered: 7-2009 |
An election in a country that was new to voting? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 576 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it a political election at all? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 712 Registered: 6-2003 |
A voting in a parliament? (thinking about the puzzle title) Was the screen output the result of the vote? Was the screen output shown in tv? Did the journalists guess something correctly what they possibly could not have known? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 638 Registered: 2-2011 |
the election of a pope? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1075 Registered: 5-2009 |
A recall election? No. The one for the governor of California, when we got rid of Gray Davis and put in the Governator? No. *cough* *sneeze* An election in a country that was new to voting? No. was it a political election at all? Yesish, see below. A voting in a parliament? No. (thinking about the puzzle title) The title is relevant, but somewhat more laterally. Was the screen output the result of the vote? Part of it. Was the screen output shown in tv? Possibly. Did the journalists guess something correctly what they possibly could not have known? No. the election of a pope? YES. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 720 Registered: 6-2003 |
One particular election of a pope relevant? Benedict XIV? John Paul II? John Paul I? Paul VI? before? Did the screen output suggest that a new pope was elected? a particular person was elected? how particular members of the conclave did vote? Did the screen output show text? figures? charts? pictures? Did black smoke appear as white smoke on the screen? due to bad color resolution? | ||
| Jacek (Jacek)
New member Username: Jacek Post Number: 27 Registered: 5-2011 |
Should the word "lords" in the title be interpreted as referring to the pope? Cardinals? The journalists? Spiritual leaders in general? Supernatural beings? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 830 Registered: 2-2011 |
did they see white smoke but it was there for the wrong reason? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1079 Registered: 5-2009 |
One particular election of a pope relevant? Yes. Benedict XIV? This. John Paul II? John Paul I? Paul VI? before? Did the screen output suggest that a new pope was elected? Yes, and correctly. a particular person was elected? Yes, and correctly. how particular members of the conclave did vote? No. Did the screen output show text? This. figures? charts? pictures? Did black smoke appear as white smoke on the screen? No. due to bad color resolution? Should the word "lords" in the title be interpreted as referring to the pope? Cardinals? {The pope and the cardinals electing him.} The journalists? No. Spiritual leaders in general? No. Supernatural beings? Yope. did they see white smoke but it was there for the wrong reason? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1472 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the report dated before the actual election ended? Was it released before? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1085 Registered: 5-2009 |
Was the report dated before the actual election ended? Was it released before? No to both. Hint: The news that a pope was elected wasn't the only thing which appeared on the screen. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 721 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was the screen output something you received as result of a search? something you read in a web news portal? or in Wikipedia? Was the screen output shown on TV? Did it contain a (factual or logical) mistake? a typo? Was the incredible success that a German was elected? that a pope was elected in rather short time? that a pope was elected at all? "We are pope" relevant? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1088 Registered: 5-2009 |
Was the screen output something you received as result of a search? No. something you read in a web news portal? Yes. or in Wikipedia? No. Was the screen output shown on TV? I don't know. It's quite probable that something similar was to be seen on TV screens. Did it contain a (factual or logical) mistake? Yope, explore. a typo? No. Was the incredible success that a German was elected? No. that a pope was elected in rather short time? No. that a pope was elected at all? No. Nothing about the election itself was incredible. "We are pope" relevant? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1473 Registered: 9-2009 |
The other thing that appeared on the screen: was it also text? also a news item? Did it relate to the Pope's election? To Rome? Would it have been equally surprising (as an incredible success) if the Pope wasn't German? His assumed name relevant? His real name? Relevant in which language you read the news? Is it a pun involved? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1091 Registered: 5-2009 |
The other thing that appeared on the screen: was it also text? Yes. also a news item? Yes. Did it relate to the Pope's election? No, but... To Rome? No. Would it have been equally surprising (as an incredible success) if the Pope wasn't German? Yes. His assumed name relevant? No. His real name? No. It appeared on the screen but replacing this name with anoter wouldn't change anything. Relevant in which language you read the news? Yesish. Is it a pun involved? Yes. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1475 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the language English? German? French? Italian? Spanish? Other? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1092 Registered: 5-2009 |
Was the language English? German? This. French? Italian? Spanish? Other? It would work in some other languages including English but I think it is much less probable that the direct English equivalent would appear on a screen. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1478 Registered: 9-2009 |
Any pun involving the word from the puzzle statement "incredible"? I am thinking with my basic German to some "glaubig - glaublich" pairs,or somewhere in their vicinity. Any of these at least OTRT? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1094 Registered: 5-2009 |
Any pun involving the word from the puzzle statement "incredible"? No. I am thinking with my basic German to some "glaubig - glaublich" "gläubig" - religious, pious; "glaublich" (only used in some negated expressions) - "believable". - pairs,or somewhere in their vicinity. Any of these at least OTRT? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1483 Registered: 9-2009 |
Back to the drawing board then Were the words from which you devised the pun written on the screen? Was the other news report something that touched political questions? Entertainment? Some ads? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1097 Registered: 5-2009 |
Were the words from which you devised the pun written on the screen? Yes, and there wasn't really anything to devise. Was the other news report something that touched political questions? This, possible slight FA. Entertainment? Some ads? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1490 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the other text include the words "Pope" or "success"? Was the other text referring to something entirely different than the Pope's election? Or it was something that touched the subject, like "The Pope has been elected and the prime minister is very happy about it"? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1105 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did the other text include the words "Pope" or "success"? No. Was the other text referring to something entirely different than the Pope's election? Yes, but... Or it was something that touched the subject, like "The Pope has been elected and the prime minister is very happy about it"? So, no. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 734 Registered: 6-2003 |
Were there two different news items? following each other? one of them about Josef Ratzinger's election? and one about something completely unrelated? Did they appear immediately after each other on the screen? If so: was the other news item about: politics? (global? national? regional? local?) economics? sports? finance? weather? culture? religion? crime? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 907 Registered: 2-2011 |
Does "The Lords Spiritual and Temporal" refer to the UK House of Lords? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1106 Registered: 5-2009 |
Were there two different news items? Yes. following each other? Yes. one of them about Josef Ratzinger's election? Yes. and one about something completely unrelated? Yes. Did they appear immediately after each other on the screen? Yes. If so: was the other news item about: politics? Yes. (global? national? regional? This, with some national implications. local?) economics? sports? finance? weather? culture? religion? crime? No to rest. Does "The Lords Spiritual and Temporal" refer to the UK House of Lords? As has been found out, "The Lords Spiritual" refers to the pope, the cardinals electing him and yopeishly to supernatural beings. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1110 Registered: 5-2009 |
The House of Lords is not relevant. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 755 Registered: 6-2003 |
According to Wikipedia, on the same day when Josef Ratzinger was elected, also the governor of Baden-Württemberg resigned from office. Is this the other relevant news item? (although I do not yet know how to link them to each other) Is "the Lords Temporal" the Landtag of Baden-Württemberg? the Bundesrat? Relevant that for more than 30 years all governors of Baden-Württemberg left the office only when they had to step down because of some affair or scandal? (with Stefan Mappus the first one being actually voted out) | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1111 Registered: 5-2009 |
According to Wikipedia, on the same day when Josef Ratzinger was elected, also the governor of Baden-Württemberg resigned from office. Is this the other relevant news item? YES. I'm somewhat in doubt whether "governor" or "prime minister" is the best English description for a Ministerpräsident. (although I do not yet know how to link them to each other) Is "the Lords Temporal" the Landtag of Baden-Württemberg? the Bundesrat? The Ministerpräsident himself is most important, but you can add the Landtag, and the Bundesrat. The title isn't meant as a really specific description. Relevant that for more than 30 years all governors of Baden-Württemberg left the office only when they had to step down because of some affair or scandal? (with Stefan Mappus the first one being actually voted out) I don't remember a scandal connected with the resignation in question, but yes, it is quite relevant that he wasn't voted out. The reasons for his predecessors to resign are not relevant. Stefan Mappus being voted out is only relevant insofar as the starter of this puzzle arrived at the polling station 5 minutes before the time of opening to be really sure to have his part in voting him out. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 757 Registered: 6-2003 |
Ratzinger wird Papst - Teufel tritt zurück .. this would have made indeed a good story .. I think for his resignation it was not so much a scandal but that he had lost the support of his party. But anyway, what is relevant about his resignation .. .. that he resigned the same day when the pope was elected? (and he could not have known this as he had announced the date of his resignation already in beforehand) .. just the fact that he resigned from office in the middle of his term? (like all his predecessors since Reinhold Maier .. I just checked in Wikipedia) .. some other circumstances of his resignation? .. who became his successor? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1113 Registered: 5-2009 |
Ratzinger wird Papst - Teufel tritt zurück .. this would have made indeed a good story .. In fact, it is the story. You solved it. I think for his resignation it was not so much a scandal but that he had lost the support of his party. But anyway, what is relevant about his resignation .. .. that he resigned the same day when the pope was elected? Yes. (and he could not have known this as he had announced the date of his resignation already in beforehand) Not relevant. .. just the fact that he resigned from office in the middle of his term? No. (like all his predecessors since Reinhold Maier .. I just checked in Wikipedia) .. some other circumstances of his resignation? Only the timing of media coverage. .. who became his successor? Irrelevant. === SPOILER === This is the story of Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XIV and Erwin Teufel, former governor/prime minister of Baden-Württemberg, one of the 16 German Länder. Teufel resigned from office the same day Ratzinger was elected pope. This resulted in some websites aggregating news headlines showing something like * Ratzinger zum Papst gewählt * Teufel tritt zurück meaning * Ratzinger elected pope * Devil resigns which would definitely look like an incredible success for a newly elected pope. But - "Teufel" is not only the Lord of Hell but also a fairly common name in the South-West of Germany, and it was the name of the Ministerpräsident of Baden-Württemberg who resigned the same day a new pope was elected. Erwin Teufel's name was worth a good laugh before and after his resignation, too. There was a newspaper reporting the appointment of a new minister in Teufel's cabinet with "Teufel holt von Trotha" ("the devil takes von Trotha"). And there seems to be an old prophecy about my university, the University of Tübingen - some day they would award a honorary doctorate to Satan himself. Well, guess who got it - Erwin Teufel, former Ministerpräsident... |
