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The dreadful pun in this title arises from that fact that there is a scrund about Thailand that could not be a scrund about any other country. How come?
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Any cities in Thailand relevant? Bangkok?

Thai food relevant? Thais?
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Any cities in Thailand relevant?no Bangkok? no

Thai food relevant? no Thais? no
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Relevant that it sounds like Taiwan? Do people mix it up? Or is it related to the pronounciation? Do people pronounce it Thailand with the Th being pronounced as in Thing?
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Relevant that it sounds like Taiwan? no Do people mix it up? irrel Or is it related to the pronounciation? yope Do people pronounce it Thailand with the Th being pronounced as in Thing irrel
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Do you think this is a common scrund? Did you have it yourself?

Is the name "Thailand" itself relevant? Would it work with a different name?
Are any geographical features relevant? Its location? Languages? History? Tourism?
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Is Siam relevant?
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I heard that Thailand means "land of the free" because they have never been ruled over by any other country. Relevant?
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2004 tsunami relevant? Any other natural disasters?

Animals or plants relevant?
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Do you think this is a common scrund? moderatelyDid you have it yourself? yes

Is the name "Thailand" itself relevant? no Would it work with a different name? yes
Are any geographical features relevant? no Its location? no Languages? yes History? noTourism? no
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Is Siam relevant? yes
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I heard that Thailand means "land of the free" because they have never been ruled over by any other country. Relevant? no
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2004 tsunami relevant? no Any other natural disasters? no

Animals or plants relevant? no
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it's interesting that Siam is relevant but Thailand's history isn't

The language that is relevant...what is spoken in modern Thailand? What was spoken in Siam? What someone thinks is the language of Thailand, but isn't? Is Siamese relevant?
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it's interesting that Siam is relevant but Thailand's history isn'tStick with the puzzle & you'll find out why!

The language that is relevant...what is spoken in modern Thailand? yesWhat was spoken in Siam? yes What someone thinks is the language of Thailand, but isn't? yopeIs Siamese relevant? yes. I'm assuming that the name change for the country did not change the country's native language.Am I mistaken?
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Thai script relevant? Language families relevant? Lao language relevant?
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I'm assuming that the name change for the country did not change the country's native language.Am I mistaken? I think you're right. That's my understanding, anyway, though of course I am no expert
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I'm assuming that the name change for the country did not change the country's native language.Am I mistaken?
From what I can tell, they spoke Thai before the name change(s) and still do...

Does this have anything to do with Chang and Ang (who were not, in fact, Siamese...or Thai)?

Anything to do with confusion around a word or name that sounds like it should be related to "Siam" but is not?
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Thai script relevant? Language families relevant? Lao language relevant?
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I'm assuming that the name change for the country did not change the country's native language.Am I mistaken? I think you're right. That's my understanding, anyway, though of course I am no expert
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I'm assuming that the name change for the country did not change the country's native language.Am I mistaken?
From what I can tell, they spoke Thai before the name change(s) and still do...

Does this have anything to do with Chang and Ang (who were not, in fact, Siamese...or Thai)? no

Anything to do with confusion around a word or name that sounds like it should be related to "Siam" but is not? yesish
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Anything to do with "Siamese" twins? Siamese cats?
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Nimue, you forgot to answer my questions ):
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Misconception about something with Siam in the name?
Siamese?

Totally out of left field: Is tea relevant?
Sesame?
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Thai script relevant? Language families relevant? Lao language relevant? no to all
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Anything to do with "Siamese" twins? no Siamese cats? no
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Nimue, you forgot to answer my questions ): Rectified, with my (humble) apologies
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Misconception about something with Siam in the name? yope or noish
Siamese? no

Totally out of left field: Is tea relevant?no
Sesame? no
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Is it about the history of the language? Pronunciation? What other languages it's similar to? The way it's written? The way it's spoken?
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Anything about fish relevant?

Is this misconception more common among certain people?
English-speakers?
Nationality important?
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Is it about the history of the language? noPronunciation? yope What other languages it's similar to? no The way it's written? no The way it's spoken? yesish
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Anything about fish relevant?

Is this misconception more common among certain people? yes
English-speakers? yes
Nationality important?Only insofar as it is relwvant to being a speaker of English & not being a Thailander
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I have no clue on this one, but I really want Phuket to be relevant. Is it?
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I have no clue on this one, but I really want Phuket to be relevant. Is it Unfortunately not. (Is that a real Thai word??)
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Is it a specific word or group of words that is relevant? Or the language in general?
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It is! In fact, it's a real place in Thailand. It popped to mind as English speakers tend to hesitate saying it until they heard someone else say it. It's POO-ket.
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I have no clue on this one, but I really want Phuket to be relevant. Is it?
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Is it a specific word or group of words that is relevant? yes Or the language in general? no
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It is! In fact, it's a real place in Thailand. It popped to mind as English speakers tend to hesitate saying it until they heard someone else say it. It's POO-ket.
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I have no clue on this one, but I really want Phuket to be relevant. Is it? As I already said it isn't. Sorry!
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HINT: You've established that a specific word or group or words is relevant & also that Siam is relevant. So draw the obvious conclusion & proceed from there.
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Siamese:
Cats?
Twins?
Siamesing?
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Siamese:
Cats?
Twins?
Siamesing? No to all. You're overlooking the REALLY obvious word!!
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King of Siam (like in "The King and I" or "Anna and the King")?
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I'm trying but I'm running out of ideas here. Sorry for the double post re: Phuket. Not sure what happened there.

You missed answering this one last time:
Are fish relevant?
Are any animals relevant?
Any food relevant?

The word "Siamese" is not relevant?
But "Siam" is?

The really obvious word:
(the somewhat offensive) Oriental?
Asian?

Is it a word that sounds like Siam?

Is Priam relevant? (not that references to Trojan history would be that obvious)
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Thai?
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*facepalm* Bet that's it...
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King of Siam (like in "The King and I" or "Anna and the King")? no
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I'm trying but I'm running out of ideas here. Sorry for the double post re: Phuket. Not sure what happened there.

You missed answering this one last time:
Are fish relevant? no
Are any animals relevant? yesish
Any food relevant? no

The word "Siamese" is not relevant? no
But "Siam" is? yes

The really obvious word:
(the somewhat offensive) Oriental? no
Asian? no

Is it a word that sounds like Siam? it IS 'Siam'

Is Priam relevant? (not that references to Trojan history would be that obvious) no
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Thai?
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*facepalm* Bet that's it... no
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So... the scrund is related to the pronunciation of "Siam" in English, correct?
merriam-webster.com pronounces it "sai-AM". Do people think it's pronounced differently?
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So... the scrund is related to the pronunciation of "Siam" in English, correct?
merriam-webster.com pronounces it "sai-AM". Do people think it's pronounced differently? For the scrund to work, 'Siam' has to be pronounced 'sigh am.'
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Do people misunderstand it as something else?
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Something like "I am"?
Fry ham?
Thy ram?
Fly jam?

As the puzzle degenerates into a very illiterate version of Dr. Suess...
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Do people misunderstand it as something else? yes
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Something like "I am"? yes
Fry ham? no
Thy ram? no
Fly jam? no

As the puzzle degenerates into a very illiterate version of Dr. Suess...
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yeS I AM?
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yeS I AM? No, it's an error about a particular aspect of Thailand
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Has to do with historical ethnic diversity/purity and British/French geopolitical gerrymandering?

Thai-land as in tie-land from (Chinese)Xi-An (see-yam) -> Siam(sigh-am) -> Thai[tie]land?
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Has to do with historical ethnic diversity/purity and British/French geopolitical gerrymandering? no

Thai-land as in tie-land from (Chinese)Xi-An (see-yam) -> Siam(sigh-am) -> Thai[tie]land? no
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So to recap, mishearing "Siam" as something else leads certain people to develop an incorrect belief about Thailand?
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So to recap, mishearing "Siam" as something else leads certain people to develop an incorrect belief about Thailand?noish!
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Do they not develop an incorrect belief about Thailand? Or is it rather the opposite, that having an incorrect belief about Thailand causes them to mishear the word "Siam"?
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Do they not develop an incorrect belief about Thailand? yesOr is it rather the opposite, that having an incorrect belief about Thailand causes them to mishear the word "Siam"? no
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So they DO NOT develop an incorrect belief about Thailand?
But your puzzle statement says there is a scrund about Thailand?
So, do they somehow believe something without ever "Developing" that belief?

A belief about Siam?

Is the belief about:
Geography?
Politics?
Language?
The appearance of the people?
The behavior of the people?
The history of the country?
History of the region?
Location on the globe?
Plants or animals of the area?
Food or cuisine?
Music?
Art?
Literature?
Relations to Europe or the US?
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So they DO NOT develop an incorrect belief about Thailand?
But your puzzle statement says there is a scrund about Thailand?
So, do they somehow believe something without ever "Developing" that belief? They DO develop an incorrect belief about Thailand

A belief about Siam? yes

Is the belief about:
Geography? no
Politics? no
Language? yes
The appearance of the people? no
The behavior of the people? yope
The history of the country? noish
History of the region?see previous answer
Location on the globe? no
Plants or animals of the area? no
Food or cuisine? no
Music? yes
Art? no
Literature? no
Relations to Europe no or the US? noish
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Behavior of Thai musicians?
The sound of Thai music?

Would the phrasing "the music of Siam" lead to the misunderstanding?
But not "Siamese Music"?
Or "Thai music"?

Kind of music relevant?
Instrumental?
With vocals?
Popular music?
Classical?
Used in worship? Temples?
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I keep getting the song from Lady and the Tramp that the cats sing ("I am Siamese if you please...") stuck in my head every time I look at this puzzle. Is it at all relevant?
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It's "We" are Siamese, Noel, lol. Two cats, remember? =D

"We are Siamese if you please;
We are Siamese if you don't please;
Now we looking over our new domicile;
If we like we maybe stay for quite a while." (insert meowing and purring as required, as I forget which goes where)

Is "Engrish" (as TVTropes calls it) relevant? Broken English?
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It's "We" are Siamese, Noel, lol. Two cats, remember? =D

"We are Siamese if you please;
We are Siamese if you don't please;
Now we looking over our new domicile;
If we like we maybe stay for quite a while." (insert meowing and purring as required, as I forget which goes where) This delightful song is irrel

Is "Engrish" (as TVTropes calls it) relevant? noBroken English? no
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*cough* It looks like you missed my Questions.
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lol, oops
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Behavior of Thai musicians? no
The sound of Thai music? yope

Would the phrasing "the music of Siam" lead to the misunderstanding? no
But not "Siamese Music"? no
Or "Thai music"? no

Kind of music relevant? yes
Instrumental?see below
With vocals? yes
Popular music?
not really
Classical? ditto
Used in worship? no Temples? no
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I keep getting the song from Lady and the Tramp that the cats sing ("I am Siamese if you please...") stuck in my head every time I look at this puzzle. Is it at all relevant? no
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*cough* It looks like you missed my Questions. Rectified, with my apologies
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Thank you! :P

Music with vocals that is neither popular or classical...
Traditional?
Used in commericials?
The national anthem?
Orchestral?
Are live instruments involved?
Kareoke relevant?
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Thank you! :P

Music with vocals that is neither popular or classical...
Traditional?no
Used in commericials? no
The national anthem? YES!!!!!
Orchestral? see above
Are live instruments involved?see above
Kareoke relevant? no
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Phleng Chat Thai, then? Or Phleng Sansoen Phra Barami, used before 1932 and still the royal anthem?
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OMG, Kaylee - did you just know that or did you look it up?? Don't tell me. Just let me amazed!
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Wikipedia. *blushes* *tells you anyway*
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Phleng Chat Thai
Is that the sound of a Siamese cat clearing his throat?

Anyway, so do they mishear the lyrics of the national anthem?
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Phleng Chat Thai, then? Or Phleng Sansoen Phra Barami, used before 1932 and still the royal anthem?
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OMG, Kaylee - did you just know that or did you look it up?? Don't tell me. Just let me amazed!
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Wikipedia. *blushes* *tells you anyway*
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Phleng Chat Thai
Is that the sound of a Siamese cat clearing his throat? No, but what a nice thought!

Anyway, so do they mishear the lyrics of the national anthem? No, but you're very ORT
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*sigh* You missed Kaylee's questions...which named the two national anthems she could find.
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Phleng Chat Thai, then? Or Phleng Sansoen Phra Barami, used before 1932 and still the royal anthem? No...HINT: It's not about any ACTUAL national anthem; it's a scrund what the national anthem is like
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*sigh* You missed Kaylee's questions...which named the two national anthems she could find. Rectified (see above) with my apologoies, of course!
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Does the national anthem scrund that people think is the national anthem have "Siam" in the title?
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Does the national anthem scrund that people think is the national anthem have "Siam" in the title?The scrund I had involved 'Siam' in the first line but it could have been in the title too But the scrund isn't just that 'Siam' was in the first line; that wouldn't be very interesting. It's that someone told me that the first line was actually. . . .
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"We are Siamese if you please"? lolol...

(and you are very much forgiven :-D)
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"We are Siam, Siam we am"?

(Because that would make an awesome opening line and yet make no sense since logically the anthem is going to be in Thai...)
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"We are Siam, Siam we am"? no, but you're ORT

(Because that would make an awesome opening line and yet make no sense since logically the anthem is going to be in Thai...)You're overlooking a related possibility
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I am Siam?
Siam, I am?
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The related possibility....
You thought the anthem was in English?
You thought the Siamese language (Thai?) involved saying the word "Siam" a lot?
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I am Siam?
Siam, I am?Precisely what questions are you asking here?
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The related possibility....
You thought the anthem was in English? no
You thought the Siamese language (Thai?) involved saying the word "Siam" a lot? no--now you're OWT (on the wrong track)
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Is it relevant I have the song "Instanbul (Not Constantinople)" stuck in my head?

Um, you thought the first line was:
"We are Thailand, we were Siam"?
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I was asking whether either of those lines was the first line. Sorry for not clarifying earlier.
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I was asking whether either of those lines was the first line. neither isSorry for not clarifying earlier.
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You missed my questions...again.
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Is it relevant I have the song "Instanbul (Not Constantinople)" stuck in my head? no, but now you've got it stuck in mine!!

Um, you thought the first line was:
"We are Thailand, we were Siam"? no
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You missed my questions...again. Rectified. . .again. With my apologies. . .again.
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Could we have a hint? I'm utterly out of ideas on this one. We seem to be down to just guessing random combinations of words.
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Could we have a hint? I'm utterly out of ideas on this one. We seem to be down to just guessing random combinations of words. The scrund may have originated as a joke--& it is funny, Homonyms are involved--a whole homonynous sentence, in fact)
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Does it contain any of the following words:
Sigh?
I?
Am?
Sai?
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Does it contain any of the following words:
Sigh? no
I? yes
Am? yes
Sai? no
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HINT & RECAP: The scrund was that the first line of the national anthem of Siam was phonetically equivalent to an English sentence that ends with 'I am." Since the 's' sound is also involved, think of a word ending in s that would occur before 'I am' in this funny scrund, which may have originated as a joke.
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Yes?
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does it involve Popeye?
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Yes? no
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does it involve Popeye? no
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yams relevant?
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yams relevant? no. HINT: Think of a funny, mildly vulgar word that ends with the 's' sound
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sorry, only messing..I'll start thinking
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Hmm...'midly vulgar' tastes may vary...
Midly vulgar in the US?
UK?
Somewhere else?

Because seriously all I'm thinking of at the mo is "balls" which isn't really that mild...
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piss? this doesn't seem right
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Hmm...'midly vulgar' tastes may vary...Well, some people, including me, kind of like things that are mildly vulgar, but I think almost any American would say that one sense of this word is mildly vulgar
Midly vulgar in the US? yes
UK? I think so
Somewhere else? I don't know.Maybe after the puzzle is solved, the Australians on the forum can tell us. And do we have members from other English-speaking countries? Nigeria? India?

Because seriously all I'm thinking of at the mo is "balls" which isn't really that mild...
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piss? no this doesn't seem right
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Did you think the first line was something like "We are Siam"? (= "Wee ass I am")

(and for whoever wanted to know, "ass" is a commonly used vulgarity in Australia. It is more commonly spelt "a-r-s-e" though)
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Did you think the first line was something like "We are Siam"? (= "Wee ass I am") see below

(and for whoever wanted to know, "ass" is a commonly used vulgarity in Australia. It is more commonly spelt "a-r-s-e" though) Thanks for this interesting information!!

************** SPOILER****************

When I was a kid, someone told me that the first line of the national anthem of Thailand sounded like the English sentence, "Oh, what an ass I am," & I actually believed this for several decades. After all, it could have been true!Please see my new puzzle you know where.

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