| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12791 Registered: 4-2010 |
The second time he was in her presence, he made a statement that is laughed at to this day. He 1 = He 2 = HAM Her = HAF | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 509 Registered: 7-2010 |
True story? FYOI? FSEI? Are you the HAM, Balin? LTPF relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 952 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the statement awkward? ambiguous? Did he have a crush on her? Vice versa? Did something relevant happen the first time he was in her presence? Is it laughed at by... him? her? other people? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 425 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it a famous incident? historical? are the two people famous? did he make the statement in response to something she said? did he make a mistake in expressing himself? or was he attempting to be funny? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12796 Registered: 4-2010 |
True story? This FYOI? FSEI? Are you the HAM, Balin? No LTPF relevant? No Was the statement awkward? ambiguous? Neither Did he have a crush on her? Vice versa? Neither Did something relevant happen the first time he was in her presence? Yes Is it laughed at by... him? Highly unlikely her? Maybe other people? Definitely is it a famous incident? Only with svv of "famous" - assume No historical? No are the two people famous? No did he make the statement in response to something she said? Noish did he make a mistake in expressing himself? DOYD of "mistake" or was he attempting to be funny? No | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 136 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is their relationship relevant? Friends? siblings? other relatives? coworkers? enemies? strangers? acquaintances? Was his statement ironic? are there any unintended puns involved? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 517 Registered: 7-2010 |
Were the other people present when he made the statement? Were they present when they met the first time? Or were they told about the incident at some later point? Is there a video or other kind of recording of him making the statement and this is how the other people learned about it? On Youtube? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 518 Registered: 7-2010 |
And one more time... :-) The first time they met, had she made some kind of joke but he thought that she was serious? And the second time they met, he referred to it? Or did it turn out that he misunderstood something? Something she had said previously? Did his statement reveal that he had a scrund? In Germany, there are different ways to express the time and sometimes, people who grew up with one sort of expression have problems interpreting the other kind of expression properly. I remember an indicent, when me and some friends of mine wanted to meet downtown some days after we all got to know each other and some were one hour early (or late? I dont remember, but in any case, some of us had to spend one hour waiting for the rest of the group) for that very reason. Did something similar happen here? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12810 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is their relationship relevant? Yes Friends? siblings? other relatives? coworkers? enemies? Yope strangers? Yopish acquaintances? And Yopish - No to rest Was his statement ironic? Not really are there any unintended puns involved? No Were the other people present when he made the statement? No Were they present when they met the first time? No Or were they told about the incident at some later point? Yes, but more likely they read about it. Is there a video or other kind of recording of him making the statement and this is how the other people learned about it? I don't think so, but this is definitely OTRT On Youtube? See prev And one more time... :-) The first time they met, had she made some kind of joke but he thought that she was serious? No And the second time they met, he referred to it? No Or did it turn out that he misunderstood something? No Something she had said previously? No Did his statement reveal that he had a scrund? No In Germany, there are different ways to express the time and sometimes, people who grew up with one sort of expression have problems interpreting the other kind of expression properly. I remember an indicent, when me and some friends of mine wanted to meet downtown some days after we all got to know each other and some were one hour early (or late? I dont remember, but in any case, some of us had to spend one hour waiting for the rest of the group) for that very reason. Did something similar happen here? No, but an interesting story. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 970 Registered: 12-2010 |
Do you know him personally? Her? Did people read about it on the internet? Facebook? Important when and where this happened? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 441 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he write about it? did she? in a diary? a newspaper? a novel? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 442 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the tile relevant? I can't remember the exact words, but along the lines of "I would rather keep quiet and be thought a fool than say something and remove all doubt"? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12822 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you know him personally? Her? Neither Did people read about it on the internet? Here, but I read it in a book Facebook? No Important when and where this happened? Not really - say United States, 1990s. did he write about it? did she? Neither in a diary? a newspaper? a novel? It was probably originally passed by word-of-mouth is the title relevant? Yes I can't remember the exact words, but along the lines of "I would rather keep quiet and be thought a fool than say something and remove all doubt"? That's the gist of it... | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 445 Registered: 2-2011 |
well, I think the original was Lincoln, so was the HAM quoting him? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12829 Registered: 4-2010 |
well, I think the original was Lincoln, so was the HAM quoting him? No. The HAM did open his mouth, though... | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 140 Registered: 2-2009 |
Did he say something about himself? About her? About something/someone else? Was he responding to something she said? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12839 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he say something about himself? Yes About her? Yope About something/someone else? Yopish to "something," No to "someone" Was he responding to something she said? No, but... | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 142 Registered: 2-2009 |
Was he asking a question? Making a statement? Giving a command? Expressing a wish? Was what he said about himself true? Subjective opinion? Positive or negative? Did he think she was wondering something and decided to answer before she asked? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12860 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he asking a question? Making a statement? This Giving a command? Expressing a wish? Was what he said about himself true? This Subjective opinion? Positive or negative? Did he think she was wondering something and decided to answer before she asked? No | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 147 Registered: 2-2009 |
Was the statement about himself... About some physcial attribute? Mental/emotional? About something he did? Was there a double entendre or something of the sort? Was it only funny because of the environment/situation they were in? Or would this work anywhere? If she had been someone else, would it have worked the same way? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12874 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the statement about himself... About some physcial attribute? Yesish/Yope Mental/emotional? No About something he did? Yes Was there a double entendre or something of the sort? No Was it only funny because of the environment/situation they were in? Not really, but this is relevant Or would this work anywhere? Given the situation, it really couldn't have happened anywhere else If she had been someone else, would it have worked the same way? Not under the circumstances | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1014 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the statement about something he did when they first met? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12880 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the statement about something he did when they first met? Yes, but "met" is the wrong word for it. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 463 Registered: 2-2011 |
when he first aw her? when she first saw him? did she see him making a fool of himself? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12891 Registered: 4-2010 |
when he first aw her? when she first saw him? Neither - "encountered" might be the best word for it. did she see him making a fool of himself? Not at that time, but... | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1073 Registered: 12-2010 |
Could you maybe give us a little hint? (: | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12944 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could you maybe give us a little hint? (: Sure - here's an important point which has been touched on, but not figured out: You know the title is relevant, as part of the quote "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." You also know that the man spoke. Therefore... | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 618 Registered: 7-2010 |
The thing he had done on their first encounter, had he done it on purpose? Or had he done it unintentionally? Had he actually intended to do something else instead? If the first is a yes, did he tell her that he had intended to do it but she thought it had been a (more or less) stupid action and she thought it had simply been a mistake? So learning that he had done it on purpose made him seem foolish to her? If the second or third is a yes, had she thought that it had been a smart move but then he said that he didn't mean to do it? And that the thing he had actually wanted to do was stupid? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 619 Registered: 7-2010 |
EDIT: Oh, that should've been: "And she thought that the thing he had actually wanted to do was stupid?" | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12956 Registered: 4-2010 |
The thing he had done on their first encounter, had he done it on purpose? YES Or had he done it unintentionally? No Had he actually intended to do something else instead? No If the first is a yes, did he tell her that he had intended to do it but she thought it had been a (more or less) stupid action and she thought it had simply been a mistake? No So learning that he had done it on purpose made him seem foolish to her? No If the second or third is a yes, had she thought that it had been a smart move but then he said that he didn't mean to do it? And that the thing he had actually wanted to do was stupid? No to all | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 620 Registered: 7-2010 |
So, going back to your hint. The first part of the quote is "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool". So, was whatever he did made him look like a fool, right? Was it something that would generally be considered stupid? The second part is "than to open it and remove all doubt". So before their second encounter, the HAF might've thought that the HAM was a fool but wasn't completely certain? Meaning his action made him look foolish, but not completely? Was it, while it might normally be considered foolish, appropiate or even clever due to the circumstances when he did it, making him look not as much like a fool? Did his action itself make him seem foolish? Or a consequence of his action? If so, was the consequence witnessed by the HAF? Or was it something that happened after they parted? Did he tell her about the consequence on their second encounter? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12961 Registered: 4-2010 |
So, going back to your hint. The first part of the quote is "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool". So, was whatever he did made him look like a fool, right? No Was it something that would generally be considered stupid? {Noish - assume No} The second part is "than to open it and remove all doubt". So before their second encounter, the HAF might've thought that the HAM was a fool but wasn't completely certain? Probably not Meaning his action made him look foolish, but not completely? No Was it, while it might normally be considered foolish, appropiate or even clever due to the circumstances when he did it, making him look not as much like a fool? No Did his action itself make him seem foolish? No Or a consequence of his action? Noish If so, was the consequence witnessed by the HAF? Noish Or was it something that happened after they parted? Yes Did he tell her about the consequence on their second encounter? Noish You have the "fool" part on the wrong half of the proverb. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3467 Registered: 9-2010 |
Quote: Balin: You know the title is relevant, as part of the quote "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." You also know that the man spoke. Therefore... How does Potato have it wrong? *me is confused kitteh* | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1083 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he say something foolish? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12968 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he say something foolish? YES! It was what he said that proved he was a fool, not necessarily what he did. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1085 Registered: 12-2010 |
The thing that he did happened between their first and second encounter, right? Did she know about it when they met for the second time? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12971 Registered: 4-2010 |
The thing that he did happened between their first and second encounter, right? No - the thing he did was during their first encounter. Actually, you might be able to strike "during"... Did she know about it when they met for the second time? Yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1087 Registered: 12-2010 |
So the thing he did was their first encounter? Did they speak to each other? Or did she just see him? See him do something? Was it something unusual? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12974 Registered: 4-2010 |
So the thing he did was their first encounter? Yes Did they speak to each other? No Or did she just see him? Yes See him do something? Yes Was it something unusual? Yope/Noish | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1089 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it something that looked unusual? looked funny? Relevant where that happened? Were other people present? Was he performing something? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12978 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it something that looked unusual? looked funny? Neither Relevant where that happened? Yope - in a parking lot, I think. Were other people present? No Was he performing something? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1091 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was an object involved? His car? Her car? Did he put a note under her windscreen wiper? Did she just walk past him? Or did she stay to watch him? Relevant where they were when they met for the second time? Did they meed accidentally? On purpose? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12983 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was an object involved? Yes His car? Her car? Did he put a note under her windscreen wiper? No to these Did she just walk past him? No Or did she stay to watch him? Noish Relevant where they were when they met for the second time? Yes Did they meed accidentally? No On purpose? Yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1098 Registered: 12-2010 |
When they met for the second time, did they meet outdoors? indoors? in a public building? a shop? a private residence? her home? his home? Was she sitting in her car and looking at him from there? The object - bigger than a finger? a hand? a toaster? a breakbox? a table? an electronic device? a mobile phone? a food item? a piece of clothing? a pen? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12988 Registered: 4-2010 |
When they met for the second time, did they meet outdoors? indoors? This in a public building? I'm not sure if you'd call it this - I don't think so, but I could be wrong. No to rest a shop? a private residence? her home? his home? Was she sitting in her car and looking at him from there? No The object - bigger than a finger? a hand? a toaster? a breakbox? a table? There are actually 2 objects relevant. One is between hand and toaster, and the other is just about toaster-sized, maybe smaller. an electronic device? a mobile phone? a food item? a piece of clothing? a pen? Item #1 is a piece of clothing. Item #2 is none of these. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1099 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the piece of clothing a sock? shoe? glove? Did they meet in a church? another religious building? a school? university? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12989 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the piece of clothing a sock? shoe? glove? No to all Did they meet in a church? another religious building? a school? university? No to all | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1100 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the piece of clothing the smaller object? Is it a hat? scarf? tie? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12990 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the piece of clothing the smaller object? Yes Is it a hat? This scarf? tie? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1101 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was he wearing the hat? Putting it on? Taking it off? Doing something else with it? Relevant what kind of hat it was? The other object - a container of some sort? A book? A plant? Did he walk past her? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12991 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he wearing the hat? At one point, yes Putting it on? At another point, yes Taking it off? Doing something else with it? Relevant what kind of hat it was? Yes - a baseball cap The other object - a container of some sort? Yes A book? No A plant? No Did he walk past her? Possibly, while in the course of doing something else | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 155 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is the container a purse? box? can? bag? bottle? jar? basket? backpack? refrigerator? cupboard? chest? cabinet? drawer? other? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13002 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the container a purse? First shot! Yes, it is a purse. box? can? bag? bottle? jar? basket? backpack? refrigerator? cupboard? chest? cabinet? drawer? other? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 472 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the purse belong to her? was he stealing it? returning it to her? did he doff his cap? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13004 Registered: 4-2010 |
did the purse belong to her? Yes was he stealing it? YES returning it to her? No did he doff his cap? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1105 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she notice it? Did she try to stop him? Did she call the cops? The second time they met, did they meet at a police station? In court? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13010 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she notice it? Did she try to stop him? Did she call the cops? Assume Yes to all The second time they met, did they meet at a police station? Yes In court? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1106 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was his foolish comment related to stealing the purse? to wearing the hat? putting on the hat? Did she have to identify him at the police station? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13017 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was his foolish comment related to stealing the purse? to wearing the hat? putting on the hat? Believe it or not, to all of these. Did she have to identify him at the police station? Yes... | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1112 Registered: 12-2010 |
Believe it or not, to all of these. - Yes or no? :D Did she identify him? Because of the hat? Or did she mistake someone else for him? Did he make the comment after she had identified him? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13029 Registered: 4-2010 |
Believe it or not, to all of these. - Yes or no? :D Yes to all Did she identify him? Yope Because of the hat? Yope Or did she mistake someone else for him? No Did he make the comment after she had identified him? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1113 Registered: 12-2010 |
I suppose he had to identify him in a group of several men, right? Were all of them wearing baseball caps? From different teams? Is it important which team the cap he was wearing on their first encounter was from? Did he wear a different one at the police station? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13047 Registered: 4-2010 |
I suppose she had to identify him in a group of several men, right? Yes Were all of them wearing baseball caps? Assume yes... From different teams? Also irrel Is it important which team the cap he was wearing on their first encounter was from? No Did he wear a different one at the police station? No... | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1607 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did he (unintentionally) reveal his identity to HER? by saying something that revealed he had been in that parking lot at that time? or by admitting he had seen her before? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13065 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he (unintentionally) reveal his identity to HER? by saying something that revealed he had been in that parking lot at that time? or by admitting he had seen her before? Yes to all. And the hat is relevant. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1610 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was the relevant incident in the parking lot outside the stadium after a baseball game? Did he say that he bought the hat there, but for some reason he could not have gotten it except from her? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 480 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he say "Hold on a moment, I'll put the hat on back to front like I was wearing it in the parkig lot?" :o) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 481 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he say "Hold on a moment, I'll put the hat on back to front like I was wearing it in the parking lot?" :o) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13077 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the relevant incident in the parking lot outside the stadium after a baseball game? No Did he say that he bought the hat there, but for some reason he could not have gotten it except from her? So no did he say "Hold on a moment, I'll put the hat on back to front like I was wearing it in the parkig lot?" :o) Yes! Well, not exactly this, but definitely the **********SPOILER********** The man had snatched a woman's purse in a parking lot and was later arrested. Later, in the police station, she was asked to identify him. The policeman gave him a baseball cap and told him to put it on forwards, as that was how the woman remembered the thief wearing it. He replied, "No, I'm gonna put it on backwards. That's the way I had it on when I took the purse." That story has been forwarded around the Internet for a long time, hence the last part of the puzzle statement. Nice work everyone - Doriana, Potato, Twilightseeker, Biograd, and Shez (I think that's everyone; if I missed you, consider this your inclusion). | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1121 Registered: 12-2010 |
Nice puzzle and a really stupid thief! Reminds me of the story of that bank robber who gave the employee a slip of paper with his bank account information and asked her to transfer the money there :D | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 484 Registered: 2-2011 |
excellent! I only said that as a joke | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13092 Registered: 4-2010 |
Doriana: I know - aren't these dumb criminal stories great! Shez: Well, it was a good one - nice solve! |
