| Author | Message | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 561 Registered: 7-2010 |
Brazenly plagiarizing the statement of Redwine's puzzle (don't worry, I asked her for permission) ;-p However, this puzzle is different from hers. Enjoy! He was waiting for it, although he had pretended to not want it. His cousin took it, although it was of no use for him. What's going on? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1022 Registered: 12-2010 |
He = he = his? His cousin = him? Is he H?A?M? Is his cousin H?A?M? It - animate? inanimate? tangible? intangible? True story? FYOI? FSEI? Time/Location relevant? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 562 Registered: 7-2010 |
He = he = his? Yes His cousin = him? Yes Is he H?A?M? H/Teen-Adult/M Is his cousin H?A?M? H/Teen-Adult/Irr It - animate? inanimate? This tangible? intangible? This True story? FYOI? FSEI? Scenario is FMOI to go along with the puzzle statement, but it's based on something that happens more or less regularly in real life. Time/Location relevant? Not for this puzzle, but for the basis of the puzzle it'd be Germany in the mid-90s or later | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1025 Registered: 12-2010 |
Intangible and inanimate... is it a feeling? an emotion? Or something like health? wealth? fame? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 563 Registered: 7-2010 |
Intangible and inanimate... is it a feeling? an emotion? Or something like health? wealth? fame? No to all | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3797 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did his cousin want it? Could his brother have taken it? Could a non-relative have taken it? Did the cousin take it in order to deprive him1 of it? Did the cousin in fact deprive him of it, by taking it? Could he give it back? Did he? Relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1029 Registered: 12-2010 |
Could we assume that his cousin is female? So we could use "he" and "she" instead of "he1" and "he2" (: | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 565 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did his cousin want it? Yesish. Explore. Could his brother have taken it? Yes, if he tried. Could a non-relative have taken it? Same here Did the cousin take it in order to deprive him1 of it? No Did the cousin in fact deprive him of it, by taking it? Yes Could he give it back? No Did he? Thus no Relevant? Him not giving it back isn't relevant, but his inability to do so (which is due to the nature of "it") could help you figure out what "it" was. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 566 Registered: 7-2010 |
Could we assume that his cousin is female? So we could use "he" and "she" instead of "he1" and "he2" (: Sure. We could give them names as well. So let's call "him" David and make the cousin female and call her Tina, okay? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3799 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was it a name? Or title? A record of some sort? A first? A job? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1030 Registered: 12-2010 |
Okay, Tina and David it is! You said that Tina yesish-ly wanted it. Did she want something similar? Did she want it at first, but not later? Did she not want it at first, but wanted it later? Would the puzzle work with adults? Children? Was it no use for Tina because she already had it? Would having it have been an advantage for David? Did he need it to reach an aim? Is religion relevant? Education? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 567 Registered: 7-2010 |
Was it a name? No Or title? No A record of some sort? No A first? Doing it for the first time in their lives, respectively: Yes. Being the first one ever to do it: No. A job? No | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 568 Registered: 7-2010 |
Okay, Tina and David it is! You said that Tina yesish-ly wanted it. Right Did she want something similar? This is closest. She wanted to do something (and managed to do it) and "it" automatically came along with it. Did she want it at first, but not later? No Did she not want it at first, but wanted it later? No Would the puzzle work with adults? Yes Children? Theoretically, yes, but I consider it more unlikely. Was it no use for Tina because she already had it? No Would having it have been an advantage for David? In his opinion, it would've helped him. See next question. Did he need it to reach an aim? I haven't really defined the reason why he needed it. Let's say he has a problem of undefined nature. It doesn't necessarily involve having to reach a goal. Is religion relevant? Education? See above. Could be both, could be none :-) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3801 Registered: 9-2009 |
If David had taken it, could Tina still have done the related thing she wanted to do? Did she get it simply because she did what it took to get it before David did? Does "it" bring: happiness? Fame? Fortune? Pleasure? Luck? Status? Was David unhappy that Tina took it? Would Tina keep it for the rest of her life? Is there only than one "it" in the world? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 569 Registered: 7-2010 |
If David had taken it, could Tina still have done the related thing she wanted to do? Yes Did she get it simply because she did what it took to get it before David did? No, but she succeeded sooner Does "it" bring: happiness? Fame? Fortune? Pleasure? Luck? Status? None of those really Was David unhappy that Tina took it? He would be once he finds out Would Tina keep it for the rest of her life? Yes, because she can't give it away. Remember that it's something intangible. Is there only than one "it" in the world? There's an undefined number of them. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3802 Registered: 9-2009 |
Will David discover that Tina have already taken it? If so, will it happen when he tries to take it? Are other people involved? do David and Tina know each other? If so, could this happen if they didn't? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 570 Registered: 7-2010 |
Will David discover that Tina have already taken it? Irr, but he could If so, will it happen when he tries to take it? Irr Are other people involved? Yes! do David and Tina know each other? Irr, assume yes If so, could this happen if they didn't? Yes | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 572 Registered: 7-2010 |
BLOOPER: If so, will it happen when he tries to take it? He can't take it away from Tina. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12886 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is "it" a name? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 573 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is "it" a name? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12895 Registered: 4-2010 |
When Tina "took" it from David, did David still have it? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 587 Registered: 7-2010 |
When Tina "took" it from David, did David still have it? No, he never had it | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 765 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is it an activity? An event? Doing something for the first time in their lives is relevant, correct? Can we call "it" an experience? Could David have it independently of Tina having it? Or is it the case that only one of them could have it? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 588 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is it an activity? An activity is necessary to get "it" An event? No Doing something for the first time in their lives is relevant, correct? One can do it several times and the result wouldn't be different, but in this context, they both do it (Tina) or want to do it (David) for the first time in their lives. Can we call "it" an experience? Like some kind of adventure or ritual? No. Could David have it independently of Tina having it? Yes, but not at the same time Or is it the case that only one of them could have it? See answer to previous question RECAP + a little help, I assume that so far, my answers have been a bit confusing): Both David and Tina want to get an intangible, inanimate something from somebody else (let's call him... Andrew). David wants it because he hopes that it'll help him solve a problem, but he pretends not to want it. Tina wants it, too, but it has no practical use for her, and she doesn't want it in order to harm David. In order to get it, they have to do a certain activity. While David tried to do it earlier, Tina succeeded sooner than him and thus gets it. Since "it" is not a tangible thing, Tina can't give it to David, even if she wanted to, but David can try again to get it from Andrew later. Technically, two or more persons can have "it" at the same time under certain circumstances, but for the sake of convenience, let's say that only one person can have "it" at a time. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1580 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is "it" a form/mark of distinction (like an award, record, etc.)? a role (as in a theater production)? Is Andrew the only person from which anyone (not just David or Tina) can ever get "it"? Is the "it", that David could get from Andrew in the future, the same "it" that Tina has now? or are there multiple "its" that are made available from time to time? If David were to get "it" from Andrew, would Tina lose "it"? Is it even possible to lose "it" once it has been given? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 591 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is "it" a form/mark of distinction (like an award, record, etc.)? a role (as in a theater production)? No to both Is Andrew the only person from which anyone (not just David or Tina) can ever get "it"? They could get it from several persons (in a broader sense, even I could give it, but it probably won't be of good quality). But they both want it from Andrew. Is the "it", that David could get from Andrew in the future, the same "it" that Tina has now? Not exactly the same or are there multiple "its" that are made available from time to time? Yes If David were to get "it" from Andrew, would Tina lose "it"? No Is it even possible to lose "it" once it has been given? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12910 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is "it" a seat? The front seat of a car? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 594 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is "it" a seat? No The front seat of a car? Thus no You might want to know more about Andrew. His role is crucial here. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12919 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is "it" a thought? An idea? A dream? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 595 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is "it" a thought? This can be involved An idea? This, too A dream? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12924 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they want approval of some sort? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1589 Registered: 6-2008 |
Do the "its" that are made available over time correspond merely to the same thing, just at different times--like the seat example where one person could have it one day and another have it the next day? Does Andrew lose an "it" when someone else gets "it" from him? Did he have "it" for some time before Tina got it? or did "it" come into existence at that moment? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 597 Registered: 7-2010 |
Do they want approval of some sort? This can be involved, at least for David Do the "its" that are made available over time correspond merely to the same thing, just at different times--like the seat example where one person could have it one day and another have it the next day? Yesish - it's the same kind of thing but it comes into existance in different contexts, so they all differ accordingly. Does Andrew lose an "it" when someone else gets "it" from him? No Did he have "it" for some time before Tina got it? No or did "it" come into existence at that moment? Yes | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 772 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is "it" a lesson? A driving lesson? Is "it" an exam? Driving licence involved? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 599 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is "it" a lesson? A driving lesson? Is "it" an exam? Driving licence involved? No to all | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1059 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it encouragement? praise? appreciation? advice? Is Andrew H/A/M? Is Andrew's profession relevant? Is his relationship to either Tina or David relevant? A character trait relevant? His age? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 603 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is it encouragement? praise? appreciation? advice? Yes! It could be all of those, but especially advice Is Andrew H/A/M? Yes Is Andrew's profession relevant? Very Is his relationship to either Tina or David relevant? Yope A character trait relevant? Not really His age? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3819 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is his relationship to Tina relevant? To David? Is Tina's profession relevant? David's? Could Andrew only give the advice once? Or would the advice only work once? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 778 Registered: 1-2011 |
Does Andrew have limited time for giving advice? So that he can advise only one person at once? Are there any conditions, under which Andrew gives advice? Like tasks to accomplish prior to advice? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 607 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is his relationship to Tina relevant? To David? Yope. He knows them only through his work. Is Tina's profession relevant? David's? No to both Could Andrew only give the advice once? Or would the advice only work once? This. If someone adresses Andrew a second time, it's probably either because his advance didn't work, to tell him that it did work, or because of a new problem. So his advice would be different. Does Andrew have limited time for giving advice? Yes So that he can advise only one person at once? Yes Are there any conditions, under which Andrew gives advice? Yes Like tasks to accomplish prior to advice? DOYD of task | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1066 Registered: 12-2010 |
Do you have to pay Andrew to get advice? Is Andrew a psychotherapist? a doctor? a teacher? a fortune teller/clairvoyant? a priest? a counsellor of some sort (like, at a job agency?)? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 608 Registered: 7-2010 |
Do you have to pay Andrew to get advice? No Is Andrew a psychotherapist? No, but OTRT a doctor? No a teacher? No a fortune teller/clairvoyant? No a priest? No a counsellor of some sort Yes (like, at a job agency?)? but not this | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1067 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is he a guidance counsellor at school? A phone counsellor? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 609 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is he a guidance counsellor at school? No A phone counsellor? The specific person from my scenario isn't exactly one, but it's still close enough for a yes | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1590 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is this a therapy talk show (like, e.g. Dr. Phil)? Are people put on the air based on the order in which they call in? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 610 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is this a therapy talk show (like, e.g. Dr. Phil)? I'm not familiar with Dr. Phil, but I daresay it's at least remotely similar. The talk with "Andrew" is broadcasted, and that's relevant to part of the puzzle. Are people put on the air based on the order in which they call in? I think this also plays a role, but there are more criteria than that, all of which irrelevant for this puzzle. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1071 Registered: 12-2010 |
Question among Germans: Is Andrew Domian? Did David call Andrew? Did Tina? Was Tina put through first? So that Andrew couldn't talk to Andrew? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1072 Registered: 12-2010 |
Of course "So that Andrew couldn't talk to Andrew" should read "So that David couldn't talk to Andrew", sorry. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 611 Registered: 7-2010 |
Question among Germans: Is Andrew Domian? LOL, yes xD I'm sure that most of you don't know Domian, so here's a description of his show. Sorry it's all German, but I've looked and couldn't find an English site. But there's always Google Translate :-) Did David call Andrew? Yes, but... Did Tina? Yes Was Tina put through first? Yes So that Andrew couldn't talk to Andrew? See below Of course "So that Andrew couldn't talk to Andrew" should read "So that David couldn't talk to Andrew", sorry. Yes You've almost got it, but one thing is still missing: Why did Tina call Andrew/Domian if she didn't need his advice? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1074 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she make a prank call? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 612 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did she make a prank call? Yes! ******************** SPOILER ******************** Andrew actually is Jürgen Domian, the moderator of a German telephone talk show. It's not actual phone counselling since the people who call in can talk to Domian about anything that's on their mind, including weird and amusing stuff, but a lot of people who call Domian do so because they have a problem and don't know who else to turn to. The Domian staff also includes psychologists who work in the background and if they wish, the callers can talk to them in private after having talked to Domian. David is such a person. He has a long-lasting problem that he doesn't want anyone to know about but since he feels the need to talk about it to somebody, he repeatedly tries to call Domian (he pretends not to want Domian's advice by not letting show that he has a problem in the first place). For some reason, however, he is never put through. His cousin, Tina, on the other hand, calls Domian wanting to make a prank call (that's something that actually happens every once in a while in the show). Unlike David, she is put through, depriving David of a potential chance to talk to Domian. She doesn't need the advice Domian gives her because she doesn't have the problem she tells him about. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 613 Registered: 7-2010 |
Great work everyone! :-) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1075 Registered: 12-2010 |
Very nice puzzle! I have to admit that my friends and I tried to prank call Domian when we were younger, but we've never been put through... probably because we started laughing as soon as someone answered the phone. |
