| Author | Message | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 989 Registered: 9-2010 |
John, being a sneaky rascal, figured out a way to deceive a lot of people out of money. Although he managed to execute his plan successfully, he was forced to stop after 11 days. | ||
| Mephistopheles (Mephistopheles)
New member Username: Mephistopheles Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2011 |
He1=his=he2=John=HAM? FOYI? FSEI? True story? Forced to stop...to avoid arrest? to avoid his victims? to avoid bankruptcy? Are fathers relevant? birthdays? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 992 Registered: 9-2010 |
He1=his=he2=John=HAM? Yes to all FOYI? FSEI? True story? FMOI, with some aspects of a true story involved Forced to stop...to avoid arrest? to avoid his victims? to avoid bankruptcy? None of these Are fathers relevant? birthdays? My dad's birthday is laterally relevant, however for reasons I can't explain without giving away too much, I won't allow the [LTPF List of Days] or even the [LTPF List of months] And no creeping on my dad's facebook. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3804 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the plan stop working after 11 days? If he had started earlier, could he have kept it up for more than 11 days? Did he know beforehand that he would be forced to stop? If so, did he know it would be after 11 days? Did another person force him to stop? Was he discovered? Punished? Relevant? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 526 Registered: 8-2001 |
Getting the money from people: Are they giving it to him willingly? Is he stealing it? Borrowing it? Is it physical cash? Or money moving between accounts? Something a little less direct like using services they have paid for? Did they know about the money loss? Is he deceiving them as individuals? Or as a group? Say "costing the US taxpayers"? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 527 Registered: 8-2001 |
One more I just thought of... Are the 11 days consecutive? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12912 Registered: 4-2010 |
What about the [LTPF list of seasons]? Is that legal? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 997 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did the plan stop working after 11 days? Yesish, DOYD of "stop working" If he had started earlier, could he have kept it up for more than 11 days? No, FA Did he know beforehand that he would be forced to stop? Yes If so, did he know it would be after 11 days? Yes Did another person force him to stop? No Was he discovered? DOYD of "discovered", but not relevant Punished? Assume no Relevant? Not really Getting the money from people: Are they giving it to him willingly? DOYD of "willingly" Is he stealing it? DOYD of "stealing" Borrowing it? No Is it physical cash? Assume yes Or money moving between accounts? So assume no Something a little less direct like using services they have paid for? Assume no, but it could be I suppose Did they know about the money loss? Yes Is he deceiving them as individuals? this Or as a group? Say "costing the US taxpayers"? So no Are the 11 days consecutive? Yes What about the [LTPF list of seasons]? Is that legal? I'm not going to play 20 Questions with regards to the date, so no. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12916 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he committing a crime? Fraud? Embezzlement? Does he work at a bank? Are interest rates relevant? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1003 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is he committing a crime? Probably not Fraud? Embezzlement? Does he work at a bank? Are interest rates relevant? None of these | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12926 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the date a holiday? Is it relevant how many people he got the money from? If so, tens? Hundreds? Thousands? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 598 Registered: 7-2010 |
I don't know the English term for it, if there is one, but is the so-called "Enkeltrick" (="grandchild trick") relevant, i.e. a person tells his (possibly already somewhat demented) victim that he is their grandchild and has grave fincancial problems and he wants his victim to help him by giving him money? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1060 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does he tell people he needs money for something? Medical treatment? Does he pretend he works for some kind of (charity) organisation? Does he sell products that don't actually work (e.g. diet pills)? Is he face to face with the people he deceives? Or does he do it on the phone? Via internet? Was he forced to stop after 11 days by someone? something? something he couldn't control (like weather?)? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1008 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the date a holiday? No Is it relevant how many people he got the money from? No If so, tens? Hundreds? Thousands? I don't know the English term for it, if there is one, but is the so-called "Enkeltrick" (="grandchild trick") relevant, i.e. a person tells his (possibly already somewhat demented) victim that he is their grandchild and has grave fincancial problems and he wants his victim to help him by giving him money? No, OTWT Does he tell people he needs money for something? Medical treatment? Does he pretend he works for some kind of (charity) organisation? Does he sell products that don't actually work (e.g. diet pills)? No to all, OTWT Is he face to face with the people he deceives? this Or does he do it on the phone? Via internet? Was he forced to stop after 11 days by someone? something? something he couldn't control This is probably closest (like weather?)? But not this | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3820 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the people give him money in exchange for something else? If so, something tangible? Would it have worked with 11 non-consecutive days? Do they give him money because they want to? Do they know they have been deceived? If so: immediately? After a certain time? After a certain event? after 11 days? Is he selling something that's not his to sell? Such as selling the Eiffel tower for scrap? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1010 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did the people give him money in exchange for something else? No If so, something tangible? Would it have worked with 11 non-consecutive days? Sort-ofish, but thinking this could lead to an FA Do they give him money because they want to? yes for svv of "want' Do they know they have been deceived? Yes If so: immediately? After a certain time? After a certain event? Not really sure how to answer this: by the time they actually hand over the money, they know they have been deceived. But by then it's too late. after 11 days? see above Is he selling something that's not his to sell? Such as selling the Eiffel tower for scrap? lol, no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12935 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they being blackmailed? Had they already agreed to turn over the money? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 466 Registered: 2-2011 |
is he making a bet with them? is the date at the end of the 11 days relevant? is it the end of a year? a month? is his age relevant? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1011 Registered: 9-2010 |
Were they being blackmailed? No Had they already agreed to turn over the money? yesish, see below is he making a bet with them? YES! is the date at the end of the 11 days relevant? Yes! is it the end of a year? a month? is his age relevant? No to all | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 470 Registered: 2-2011 |
is he a con man who made bets with people which sounded like a sure thing? that something would or would not happen by Christmas? Thanksgiving? New Year? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1012 Registered: 9-2010 |
is he a con man who made bets with people which sounded like a sure thing? Yes, slight ish possibly that something would or would not happen by Christmas? Thanksgiving? New Year? No to all, very much OTWT | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12970 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he get money from everyone he made the bets with? Did a certain event happen at the end of the 11 days? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1970 Registered: 11-2003 |
You said that the date at the end of the 11 days was relevant. Could he only have done this one spesific year? Or is it possible to replicate this again, next year for instance, on the same end date? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1016 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he get money from everyone he made the bets with? Assume yes Did a certain event happen at the end of the 11 days? Noish You said that the date at the end of the 11 days was relevant. Could he only have done this one spesific year? <b> No </> Or is it possible to replicate this again, next year for instance, on the same end date? yes!!! :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12999 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do the 11 days end at the end of a month? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1017 Registered: 9-2010 |
Do the 11 days end at the end of a month? No | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1023 Registered: 9-2010 |
Hint: Focus on the day he started as well as the day he ended. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13006 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he start at the beginning of a month? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1025 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he start at the beginning of a month? no... | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1032 Registered: 9-2010 |
Asking a very basic question about the day might be of significant help. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13011 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is DST relevant? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1034 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is DST relevant? Not at all. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1972 Registered: 11-2003 |
Does it have to be a spesific day of the week, as well as a spesific date? Will this be possible ONLY once a year? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1046 Registered: 9-2010 |
Does it have to be a spesific day of the week, No as well as a spesific date? YES! Will this be possible ONLY once a year? YES! | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3846 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is a holiday relevant? Leap years? February? Is culture relevant? Or will it work anywhere in the world? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1047 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is a holiday relevant? Leap years? February? Is culture relevant? No to all, except leap years are laterally relevant Or will it work anywhere in the world? There are a few places where one might encounter difficulty. But that's only because the date on the Gregorian Calendar is relevant and not all cultures use the Gregorian Calendar. Exploring this might be useful, though. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13031 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the 1st day a special day in the Gregorian calendar? Another calendar? Same questions for the 11th day? The day after the 11th? The day before the 1st? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1049 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the 1st day a special day in the Gregorian calendar? yes for svv of "special" Another calendar? No Same questions for the 11th day? Yes for svv of "special", no to rest The day after the 11th? The day before the 1st? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3847 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are different conventions on writing dates relevant? such as MM-DD vs DD-MM? will it only work with a certain convention? Would it have worked in the previous millennium? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1051 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are different conventions on writing dates relevant? such as MM-DD vs DD-MM? will it only work with a certain convention? Conventions are irrelevant Would it have worked in the previous millennium? It would have worked any time after a certain year, although it would have been less likely to work immediately after. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 474 Registered: 2-2011 |
twelfth night? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1056 Registered: 9-2010 |
twelfth night? irr | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13044 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a holiday relevant at all? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1065 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is a holiday relevant at all? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13058 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a birthday relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3855 Registered: 9-2009 |
The certain year: later than: 1900? 1950? 1990? Is the year relevant only because of the number representing it? Or did something happen that year? Roman numerals relevant? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1071 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is a birthday relevant? Only in that the day John started happens to be my dad's birthday. But for this reason I won't give away what that day is The certain year: later than: 1900? 1950? 1990? no to all Is the year relevant only because of the number representing it? No Or did something happen that year? I'm really not sure how to answer this the way it's phrased. I'm going to say no. That could either be incredibly misleading or incredibly useful depending on how you use it. Roman numerals relevant? No | ||
| Docd (Docd)
New member Username: Docd Post Number: 140 Registered: 12-2004 |
Is this anything to do with the changeover from the Julian to Gregorian calendar in 1582 (and the loss of 10 days in October 1582)? (Every year between 4th and 15th October he could bet these suckers that nothing happened exactly [current year minus 1582] years ago) | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 951 Registered: 8-2005 |
The certain year: later than: 1900? 1950? 1990? no to all So does this mean it happened before 1900? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1075 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is this anything to do with the changeover from the Julian to Gregorian calendar in 1582 (and the loss of 10 days in October 1582)? (Every year between 4th and 15th October he could bet these suckers that nothing happened exactly [current year minus 1582] years ago) I was referring to England in 1752, but close enough for a *****SPOILER****** Basically, John bet everyone that they "couldn't name ANYTHING that happened in England on this day in 1752". If they said they couldn't honestly think of anything and so wouldn't take the bet, he told them "Make it as mundane and simple as you like. It doesn't have to be a major occurrence". So then they'll say something like "Someone went to the bathroom" at which point John would inform them that they were WRONG, laugh at them, and take their money. He would start this on September 3rd, but naturally on September 14th he would have to stop because things did actually happen on that day in 1752. Good job everyone, and good job Docd getting the last part. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1127 Registered: 12-2010 |
A really clever puzzle, nice! I'm sorry I gave up so early. |
