| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4783 Registered: 5-2003 |
First they cursed the devil, then they praised it. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5007 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is 'it' the devil or some item, yet to be discovered? Or is 'it' a situation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4786 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is 'it' the devil This. or some item, yet to be discovered? Or is 'it' a situation? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1377 Registered: 8-2001 |
They = Male? Female? Adults? Children? Do they have any of the following in common: Where they live? Job? Nationality? A belief? Education? Hobby? A role, such as being parents, elected officials? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 831 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is the devil in this puzzle the counterpart of God? Or is it a tangible object? Is it the nickname of something/somebody? Were "they" in a situation that could be described as a "blessing in disguise"? Like, they first were unlucky, but their misfortune later turned into something good? If they had been misfortunate, did it involve ...an accident? ...(a) person(s) being injured? ...an illness? ...the death of (a) person(s)? ...the destruction of something? ...the loss of something? ...the loss of money? ...anything weather-related? They: >= 10 persons? >= 100 persons? >= 1000 persons? >= 10000 persons? >= 100000 persons? >= 1000000 persons? more? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4787 Registered: 5-2003 |
They = Male? Female? Adults? Children? All of these. Do they have any of the following in common: Where they live? This. Job? Nationality? This. A belief? This, of sorts (but not religion). Education? Hobby? A role, such as being parents, elected officials? Is the devil in this puzzle the counterpart of God? No. Or is it a tangible object? Is it the nickname of something/somebody? Yes. Were "they" in a situation that could be described as a "blessing in disguise"? Maybe -- I wouldn't say so, but it's arguable. Like, they first were unlucky, but their misfortune later turned into something good? A little. If they had been misfortunate, did it involve ...an accident? ...(a) person(s) being injured? ...an illness? ...the death of (a) person(s)? ...the destruction of something? This. ...the loss of something? And this. ...the loss of money? ...anything weather-related? They: >= 10 persons? >= 100 persons? A couple hundred at most. >= 1000 persons? >= 10000 persons? >= 100000 persons? >= 1000000 persons? more? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 998 Registered: 2-2011 |
is this a true story? FYOI? FSEI? did it happen this century? before? LTPF list of centuries? is a natural disaster relevant? did they lose their property? their homes? their town? their country? is the devil a natural phenomenon? an animal? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4788 Registered: 5-2003 |
is this a true story? Unknown for certain, but not impossible. FYOI? FSEI? did it happen this century? before? LTPF list of centuries? Somewhere between the Middle Ages and the Enlightenment - say 1300 to 1700. is a natural disaster relevant? No. did they lose their property? their homes? their town? Effectively this. their country? is the devil a natural phenomenon? an animal? Neither. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1002 Registered: 2-2011 |
a plague? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4792 Registered: 5-2003 |
a plague? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1553 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the devil an opposing army? A hostile country? A rival town? The local government? Is it an administrative decision involved? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4793 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the devil an opposing army? A hostile country? A rival town? The local government? Is it an administrative decision involved? None of these. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1005 Registered: 2-2011 |
were they living in some kind of ignorance and when some knowledge or innovation arrived they were unhappy about it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4794 Registered: 5-2003 |
were they living in some kind of ignorance and when some knowledge or innovation arrived they were unhappy about it? No. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 863 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is the devil a specific person? A specific item? Did they lose their town because: it was destroyed? they had to move away, but the town stayed intact? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1417 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is the devil a weather phenomena? A plant? An animal? An astronomical phenomena? A person? A group of peoples? Is agriculture relevant? Animal raising/herding? Food production relevant? Is a specific country relevant? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1151 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is "Devil" the name of a person? Or a meaning of the name? They "effectively" lost their town - were they forced to live elsewhere? Were any buildings destroyed? Was the town reduced to a village? Did property change hands with the result the town was no longer theirs? Were many of them farmers? Artisans? Merchants? Noblemen? All of them? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4797 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the devil a specific person? A specific item? Thisish. Did they lose their town because: it was destroyed? Parts of it. they had to move away, Temporarily. but the town stayed intact? Most of it, we can assume. Is the devil a weather phenomena? A plant? An animal? An astronomical phenomena? A person? A group of peoples? None of these. Is agriculture relevant? Slightly. Animal raising/herding? No. Food production relevant? Yesish. Is a specific country relevant? Yes. Is "Devil" the name of a person? Or a meaning of the name? Neither. They "effectively" lost their town - were they forced to live elsewhere? No. Were any buildings destroyed? Possibly. Was the town reduced to a village? No. Did property change hands with the result the town was no longer theirs? Temporarily. Were many of them farmers? Artisans? Merchants? Noblemen? Not this. All of them? But yes to the others. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1063 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the devil a machine? an accident? like pollution? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4798 Registered: 5-2003 |
was the devil a machine? an accident? like pollution? None of these. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1585 Registered: 9-2009 |
The relevant country: was it in Europe? Asia? The Americas? Africa? Australia? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1069 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the devil a tangible object? animal? vegetable? mineral? a combination of these? something intangible? something abstract? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1070 Registered: 2-2011 |
did other communities come into contact with this devil? if so, did it have the same effect on them? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1076 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it a disease? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4799 Registered: 5-2003 |
The relevant country: was it in Europe? This, though it could have happened just about anywhere. Asia? The Americas? Africa? Australia? is the devil a tangible object? Yes, but used in a general sense. animal? vegetable? This. mineral? a combination of these? something intangible? No. something abstract? No. did other communities come into contact with this devil? Yes. if so, did it have the same effect on them? Occasionally. was it a disease? No, but... | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1080 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it something which caused disease? was it something that affected the crops? was it something like fermentation? which spolied their produce but then they found it had produced alcohol? or a mould on a cheese which turned out to be tasty? like Roquefort? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1590 Registered: 9-2009 |
Wine producing relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4800 Registered: 5-2003 |
was it something which caused disease? Depending on your definition of disease. was it something that affected the crops? No. was it something like fermentation? which spolied their produce but then they found it had produced alcohol? or a mould on a cheese which turned out to be tasty? like Roquefort? Either of these could actually serve as the answer, but I am looking for something much more specific. Wine producing relevant? No, but very close. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 821 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the devil simply alcohol? The increased usage of alcohol as fuel relevant? Alcohol taxation relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4803 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the devil simply alcohol? Yes. The increased usage of alcohol as fuel relevant? No. Alcohol taxation relevant? Mildly. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1093 Registered: 2-2011 |
so did this particular town become famous for producing alcohol? is it somewhere in France? is it a very specific drink? like Benedictine? were they monks? come to think of it, in Spain all the dessert wines are named after towns - Toledo, Malaga, Valencia.. is it a wine or a spirit? or beer? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4806 Registered: 5-2003 |
so did this particular town become famous for producing alcohol? is it somewhere in France? is it a very specific drink? Generally. like Benedictine? were they monks? come to think of it, in Spain all the dessert wines are named after towns - Toledo, Malaga, Valencia.. is it a wine or a spirit? or beer? No to the rest. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1601 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is Greece relevant? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 786 Registered: 9-2008 |
Were parts of the town destroyed? by fire? or flood? If so, was it a deliberate act by one or more humans? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4807 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Greece relevant? No. Were parts of the town destroyed? Possibly. by fire? or flood? Irr. If so, was it a deliberate act by one or more humans? Yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 909 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was there an explosion? Did the alcohol explode? Was the alcohol set in fire? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4808 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was there an explosion? Did the alcohol explode? Was the alcohol set in fire? No to all. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1572 Registered: 8-2001 |
They lost thier town because of alcohol, yes? Because of someone or more than one someone drinking? Because of how the alcohol was stored? BEcause of production of the alcohol? The specific kind of alcohol is relevant, yes? Did we determine if country is relevant? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2011 |
How about viticulture - the culture of grapes? And would the story here work as a Twilight Zone episode? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2011 |
Jenburdoo, are we talking about kegs of beer, wine, whatever, which washed ashore by the winds and waves to the western bits of Ireland and Scotland? There IS a movie about that. Happiest Little Village, or something similar. The title is on the tip of my tongue... A happy aarrr to you from an Irish American. Fiona | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1132 Registered: 2-2011 |
whisky galore? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4810 Registered: 5-2003 |
They lost thier town because of alcohol, yes? No. Because of someone or more than one someone drinking? Because of how the alcohol was stored? BEcause of production of the alcohol? The specific kind of alcohol is relevant, yes? Yes. Did we determine if country is relevant? Don't remember, but it is. How about viticulture - the culture of grapes? No. And would the story here work as a Twilight Zone episode? There's nothing supernatural about it, but it is a little creepy. Jenburdoo, are we talking about kegs of beer, wine, whatever, which washed ashore by the winds and waves to the western bits of Ireland and Scotland? There IS a movie about that. Happiest Little Village, or something similar. The title is on the tip of my tongue... Nope. The movie sounds good, I'll look it up. whisky galore? Aye, the auld water of life it is. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1227 Registered: 2-2011 |
did they nearly lose their town because of the behaviour of people when drunk? for economic reasons? is the releveant alcohol a spirit? a liqueur? a beer or ale? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4811 Registered: 5-2003 |
did they nearly lose their town because of the behaviour of people when drunk? No. for economic reasons? No. is the releveant alcohol a spirit? a liqueur? a beer or ale? As noted above, it's whiskey. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1676 Registered: 8-2001 |
European country: England? Ireland? Scotland? Spain? France? Portugal? To clarify, the "devil" is whiskey, yes? And the devil in some way caused them to lose thier town? Were they "cursing" it because of this loss of their town? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4813 Registered: 5-2003 |
European country: England? Ireland? Scotland? This. Spain? France? Portugal? To clarify, the "devil" is whiskey, yes? Yes. And the devil in some way caused them to lose thier town? No. Were they "cursing" it because of this loss of their town? No. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4030 Registered: 9-2010 |
so is the "devil" scotch, particularly? (the people are Scots, their whiskey is scotch =) ) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4823 Registered: 5-2003 |
so is the "devil" scotch, particularly? (the people are Scots, their whiskey is scotch =) ) I suppose, but precisely what it's called is irrelevant. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4833 Registered: 5-2003 |
Just a tip: this puzzle is (yet again) based on a folk song. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4094 Registered: 9-2010 |
it's not "Whiskey in the Jar" is it? sorry, that's all I can think of at 12:30 in the morning (and I'm not even sure if that's a folk song, or not) | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 846 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did they have to leave (to give up?) their town because of the production of whisky? because of the consumption of whisky? were they defeated by an enemy? because they were too drunk to fight? Did they later benefit from making whisky? from selling it? Did the whisky making attract tourists to this town? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4834 Registered: 5-2003 |
it's not "Whiskey in the Jar" is it? No. sorry, that's all I can think of at 12:30 in the morning (and I'm not even sure if that's a folk song, or not) Did they have to leave (to give up?) their town because of the production of whisky? because of the consumption of whisky? were they defeated by an enemy? Yes.because they were too drunk to fight? Did they later benefit from making whisky? Yes. from selling it? Did the whisky making attract tourists to this town? No to the rest. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1418 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it a battle against the English? the Vikings? William Wallace relevant? Robert the Bruce? Berwick? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 229 Registered: 7-2011 |
I LOVE "because they were too drunk to fight?" "Whiskey, you're the devil, you're leadin' me astray / Over hills and mountains and to Americay ..." And, to be fair to Kaylee Kitteh, the chorus has the line, "There's whiskey in the jar." During the 90s I was married to a wonderful Dubliner who plays and sings Irish music and songs. My Paddy Kelleghan would probably have solved this in an instant. Still love the guy! Fiona | ||
| Swapnil (Swapnil)
New member Username: Swapnil Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is Scotland's war of independence relevant? Does whiskey refer to James Douglas? Was he devil? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4836 Registered: 5-2003 |
was it a battle against the English? Could be English or Scots, irrelevant which. the Vikings? William Wallace relevant? Robert the Bruce? Berwick? No to all. Is Scotland's war of independence relevant? Does whiskey refer to James Douglas? Was he devil? No to all. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4164 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they curse whisky, the drink? Or did they curse someone or something that was called "whisky"? Later they praised whisky the drink, correct? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4841 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they curse whisky, the drink? Yes. Or did they curse someone or something that was called "whisky"? Later they praised whisky the drink, correct? Yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4183 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did whisky cause their defeat? If so, because: they drunk it? Someone else drunk it? It caught fire? Exploded? It was destroyed? Because it was valuable? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4843 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did whisky cause their defeat? No. If so, because: they drunk it? Someone else drunk it? It caught fire? Exploded? It was destroyed? Because it was valuable? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2011 |
To clarify, were the Scots the ones to curse the devil (whiskey)? Or the enemy? Order of events: Was the devil cursed before the defeat? After? Did anything relevant occur after the devil was praised? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4846 Registered: 5-2003 |
To clarify, were the Scots the ones to curse the devil (whiskey)? Yes. Or the enemy? No. Order of events: Was the devil cursed before the defeat? Yes. After? No. Did anything relevant occur after the devil was praised? No. | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 50 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was the devil praised before the defeat? Did they praise the devil as a result of the defeat? Did whiskey play a direct role in the outcome of the battle? Did anyone get drunk during this puzzle? If yes, did this person ordinarily get drunk? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4853 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the devil praised before the defeat? No. Did they praise the devil as a result of the defeat? Not immediately. Did whiskey play a direct role in the outcome of the battle? \b[Yes.} Did anyone get drunk during this puzzle? Yes. If yes, did this person ordinarily get drunk? Irr. | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 56 Registered: 8-2011 |
The drunk person- on the side of the victors? The defeated? Both? Did the drinking take place at a victory celebration? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4854 Registered: 5-2003 |
The drunk person- on the side of the victors? This. The defeated? Both? Did the drinking take place at a victory celebration? Yes. | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 63 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did all/most of the victors get drunk? Or just one? Did the victors do something foolish after drinking so much? Did they pass out? Were the defeated able to conquer the victors after the victors got drunk? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4855 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did all/most of the victors get drunk? Yes. Or just one? Did the victors do something foolish after drinking so much? Yes. Did they pass out? Yes. Were the defeated able to conquer the victors after the victors got drunk? Yes. ****SPOILER**** This is said to have occurred near Glasgow, Scotland. It's a modern song written by Alan Reid. "jaud" is a term for a "loose woman," and uisge beatha is the Scots word for whiskey. Chorus: Whisky is a devil jaud that burns the brains of man He'll dance or stagger, sing or fight, he'll argue black and blue is white The fairmer's wife, the widow and the weary working man They fill the air with curses on that devil, uisge beatha He watches for the gauger man that prowls the countryside He hides his liquid treasure, then waits for night and rides O'er the Torrance burn tae Glesca where there's plenty that will buy her She's that sweet forbidden devil uisge beatha A band of wild marauders in the colours of Colquhoun Were camped above the Campsie Moors above the Lennoxtoon The folk below were soon to know they were Clan Gregor men When they came sweeping doon the Campsie Glen They scattered a' before them, a' the weemin and the bairns They chased the fairming workers and the fairmers tae their hames They gathered up the cattle and they camped aside the hill And there they found the hidden whisky still The Campsie men assembled then tae see what could be done But shepherd lads and cottars cannae match a hieland band They cursed the thieving reivers and their heathen hieland cries As they drank their fill aneath the evening skies Whisky is a devil jaud that burns the brains o' men For in the night the hieland men fell drunk upon the ground The Campsie men crept up to them and slew them as they lay And a' was back in order by the day There's stills above the clachan, there's stills aroond the fells There's stills aboot the countryside nae gaugerman can smell But the one that snared the Gregor was mair valuable than ten Tae the honest fairmers o' the Campsie Glen Last chorus: Whisky is a devil jaud that burns the brains of man He'll dance or stagger, sing or fight, he'll argue black and blue is white The fairmer's wife, the widow and the weary working man They fill the air with blessings on that devil uisge beatha |
