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| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 883 Registered: 7-2010 |
Sam committed a crime, leaving behind no visible trace. A DNA sample from the crime scene led the police to Dan, Sam's identical twin brother who is a registered petty crook. They instantly suspect Dan, but never Sam. Explain. For those who don't know, identical twins share the same DNA. | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2011 |
Is there any sign of difference the police knew because he was a registered petty crook? Was Dan in jail? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2011 |
ahh sorry forget the post i got the question wrong | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3503 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the crime theft? burglary? murder? assault? A sex crime? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 828 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did the police know about the existence of Sam? Was Dan at the place where the crime happened? Was he involved in the crime? Were there witnesses? Was the crime recorded on video? Did the police confuse Dan with Sam? Relevant which crime(s) Dan was convicted of before? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 50 Registered: 6-2011 |
Were they separated at birth and unaware of each other's existence? Or at least, was Dan unaware of Sam's existence? So even though Dan was innocent he did not know he had an identical twin and could not explain to the police how his DNA ended up at the crime scene? Perhaps Sam was aware of Dan's existence and is framing him, or perhaps Sam just got really lucky. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 884 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is there any sign of difference the police knew because he was a registered petty crook? No Was Dan in jail? Irr, assume no ahh sorry forget the post i got the question wrong No problem. Answered them anyway in case someone else is interested in that. Was the crime theft? burglary? murder? assault? A sex crime? Irr Did the police know about the existence of Sam? Yes... Was Dan at the place where the crime happened? No Was he involved in the crime? No Were there witnesses? No Was the crime recorded on video? No Did the police confuse Dan with Sam? No Relevant which crime(s) Dan was convicted of before? No Were they separated at birth and unaware of each other's existence? Or at least, was Dan unaware of Sam's existence? No to both, but... So even though Dan was innocent he did not know he had an identical twin and could not explain to the police how his DNA ended up at the crime scene? Yes Perhaps Sam was aware of Dan's existence and is framing him, or perhaps Sam just got really lucky. No | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 54 Registered: 6-2011 |
Wait, you said no to "Dan was unaware of Sam's existence" but yes to "Dan...did not know he had an identical twin." ??? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 885 Registered: 7-2010 |
Wait, you said no to "Dan was unaware of Sam's existence" but yes to "Dan...did not know he had an identical twin." Yes, exactly. Explore. | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 55 Registered: 6-2011 |
So Dan knew Sam existed, but did not realize that Sam was his identical twin? Had the brothers ever met? Did they know each other well? Did Dan know he was related to Sam? Does Sam know of Dan's existence? Did Sam intend for Dan to take the fall for him? Is one of the brothers somehow impaired? Are they both still alive? Are the both HAMs? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 886 Registered: 7-2010 |
So Dan knew Sam existed, but did not realize that Sam was his identical twin? Yes Had the brothers ever met? Yes Did they know each other well? Yes, but... Did Dan know he was related to Sam? Yes Does Sam know of Dan's existence? Yes Did Sam intend for Dan to take the fall for him? No Is one of the brothers somehow impaired? Yes Are they both still alive? Yes Are the both HAMs? Yes... | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 56 Registered: 6-2011 |
Is Dan the impaired one? Is it a physical infirmity? Is Sam impaired in any way too? When the police came to accuse Dan of the crime, did they arrest him? Did they ask him if he did it? Did Dan proclaim his innocence? Did the police explain the DNA evidence to him? Is Dan aware that Sam is his brother, but not that they are identical twins? Is it because Dan is blind? Mentally disabled? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 887 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is Dan the impaired one? No Is it a physical Yes infirmity? No Is Sam impaired in any way too? Yes When the police came to accuse Dan of the crime, did they arrest him? Did they ask him if he did it? Did Dan proclaim his innocence? Did the police explain the DNA evidence to him? Irr to all Is Dan aware that Sam is his brother, No but not that they are identical twins? So no as well Is it because Dan is blind? No Mentally disabled? No | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 59 Registered: 6-2011 |
Are they conjoined twins? Or were they ever? Is one or both of them missing an arm? Leg? Other body part. Any other evidence found at the crime scene? Fingerprints? Footprints? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 889 Registered: 7-2010 |
Are they conjoined twins? Or were they ever? No to both Is one This or both of them missing an arm? No Leg? No Other body part. Yes Any other evidence found at the crime scene? No Fingerprints? Footprints? So no to those | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 60 Registered: 6-2011 |
I'm so confused... so they're both impaired but only one is missing a body part? So they each have an impairment but they are different impairments? Is Dan the one missing a body part? Is Sam the one missing a body part? Is the missing body part a finger? Toe? Ear? Eye? Internal organ? Hand? Foot? Was the missing body part missing at birth? Or did he lose it later? If so, was he an adult when he lost the body part? Was it lost in an accident? Was it removed surgically? Was it lost due to disease? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 890 Registered: 7-2010 |
I'm so confused... so they're both impaired but only one is missing a body part? So they each have an impairment but they are different impairments? No, only Sam is impaired and only he is missing a body part. Is Dan the one missing a body part? Is Sam the one missing a body part? This Is the missing body part a finger? Toe? Ear? Eye? Internal organ? Hand? Foot? No to all Was the missing body part missing at birth? No Or did he lose it later? Yes If so, was he an adult when he lost the body part? No Was it lost in an accident? Yope - it was damaged in an accident and then removed Was it removed surgically? Yes Was it lost due to disease? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1613 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it his nose? tongue? something else in his face? genitalia? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 892 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is it his nose? tongue? something else in his face? genitalia? This | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1614 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he lose his penis as a young child? And was then raised as a girl? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1615 Registered: 12-2010 |
And then the DNA test showed it was male DNA so that Sam was never suspected because everyone thought he was a she? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2011 |
I think Doriana probably has it. Sam and Dan were identical twin brothers, but Sam's "junk" was injured in an accident (ouch) and after surgical intervention he was raised as a girl. Dan believes Sam[antha] is his fraternal twin sister, so he thinks the DNA must be his even though he didn't commit the crime. ...question mark? Is Sam going to come clean? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 893 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did he lose his penis as a young child? Yes And was then raised as a girl? Yes And then the DNA test showed it was male DNA so that Sam was never suspected because everyone thought he was a she? And yes | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 894 Registered: 7-2010 |
I think Doriana probably has it. Sam and Dan were identical twin brothers, but Sam's "junk" was injured in an accident (ouch) and after surgical intervention he was raised as a girl. Dan believes Sam[antha] is his fraternal twin sister, so he thinks the DNA must be his even though he didn't commit the crime. ...question mark? Exactly. Sorry for seemingly having skipped your question, I had worked on the you-know-what before answering Doriana's question :-) Is Sam going to come clean? If (s)he confesses? Irr, but let's assume (s)he does and things will get really messy... | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 895 Registered: 7-2010 |
******* SPOILER ******* As babies, Sam and Dan underwent circumcision surgery, but in the process, Sam's genital was damaged beyond any chance of healing due to malpractice. Instead of having his injury treated, their parents decided to have his penis fully removed and to raise him as a girl, including giving him estrogen (telling him they were vitamins) by the time he was supposed to hit puberty. Sam developed the looks of a female and neither he nor Dan were ever told that he was in fact male and thus Dan never knew that Sam was his twin brother. The police found Sam's DNA where he eventually committed the crime and matched it to Dan, who, due to his criminal career, already had a record in their DNA database. The police did find out about Sam's existance, but since the DNA was that of a male and neither of the involved persons ever questioned Sam's femaleness (why should they?), the police assumed that Dan must have been the culprit. This puzzle was inspired by the the Law and Order: SVU episode "Identity", which, in turn, as I learned in a Google search, was inspired by the John/Joan case. Great work, everybody! I hadn't expected this puzzle to be solved this quickly :-) | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2011 |
Sad story :-( |
